@Whitmore1027 She has a 30 days of Yoga series on there that is really great if you are just starting out. I am planning to do it again in February since I haven't worked out in a couple months.
@chopchop25 I'm not familiar with the app you're using but I would say I don't see an ovulatory pattern in your temps yet (again, keeping in mind I'm not familiar with that app). If you got a +OPK today you can BD tonight and still have good timing if you O tomorrow. @jengibre_zorro Yes, sleep quality can impact temps. If you wake up/get up a lot at night it can impact your temp, although for some people it doesn't. I keep waking up at 4 am, having to pee, then struggling to go back to sleep. @Whitmore1027 Why do you think YH's sperm is a problem? Isn't this your first cycle of trying? I'm confused.
Even though ttc has been a very heartbreaking process for me, I have enjoyed understanding more about how my body works. This is kind of a rant, so... bitter hag moment here... For everyone who is not sure how "invested" they want to get in ttc in terms of BBT, OPK -- Look, many of you are going to be 1/1 or 2/2 SS and then go on to have perfect and uncomplicated pregnancies without ever once taking your temperature or using an OPK. That's a fact I've been around the block long enough to know and tbh it's hard not to resent it. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the entitlement of feeling you don't want to bother like, taking your temperature daily (Mabis is a good BBT and is like $10)/figuring out when you are O'ing (you can get a 50 pack of OPKs for less than $20 on Amazon), and timing intercourse because I know so many ladies who are going through IF and are doing things like injecting themselves daily with crazy burning medications for a chance at pregnancy.
@zamora_spin I absolutely agree with what you're saying but at the same time I have to disagree a little. While BBT is cheap and an AMAZING tool to help you figure out your cycle and OPKs are genius because they can help with pinpointing O and ensure correct timing - I also understand the desire to not invest in everything too early. These tools may take away stress for some and add stress for others. I have friends who's H's had performance anxiety when they knew their wives were doing these things. I know people who just want to try on their own first. I also know others who have been trying at a completely wrong time for months and learned once they started BBT. For me, I use OPK's because I happened to have some But H and I agree on nothing else until after 3 months of trying. Until then we try to be more relaxed about it. And some other ladies who have been BBT / OPKs for MONTHS have taken months off from the stress of it all and have seen their BFP when they stop. I agree the financial investment is minimal and if you want to do ANYTHING to get the BFP then just make the investment- but it's not always about the time or money investment when they decide not to do one of the above mentioned. And none of this is to take away from those IF ladies who deserve that BFP and are doing whatever it takes - but that is a choice some people choose not to make right away.
@zamora_spinTW? Previous pregnancy...We originally started trying to get pregnant back in June 2014. After a year and some months of not getting pregnant (some of that was just NTNP, then the rest was actually trying), we both got checked out for fertility problems. I looked fine. They checked my tubes with that ink to make sure there was no blockage (it's been so long I don't know the medical terms). Husband had low-sperm count though. So we decided to try to make some lifestyle changes and just wing it for a few months then we would talk about alternative treatment like meds for hubby. Well, we ended up pregnant 2 months later (that was November 2015) and we now have a son (Born August 2016). We recently decided to try for another baby, so we don't know how long the journey will be. Figured we could try for 6 months or a year and if no luck, check out our next options. Which I think there are fertility meds DH can go on. End TW
I know it shows I am on cycle 1 month 1, but this isn't our first go around trying to conceive, so we really don't know what to expect. And even though it's not "me" that has the "problem it's still heartbreaking for me because no matter what, we still have the possibility of not getting pregnant for a long time.
I might have some tw, don't know yet, just be warned
I understand both sides. Telling sometime with IF to just relax is.... I don't even know what to say to that. We should all know better by now. Relaxing isn't going to make my fallopian tube magically grow back or someones so with low sperm count suddenly have more, or someone with rpl magically hold on to their baby this time. Those words are beyond hurtful.
But..... we all have to know and see that ttc is not a one size fits all. There are definitely stages to trying. A BBT isn't going to tell me which ovary I'm ovulating from. It's only added pressure for me. DH and I HIO every night regardless. I've been tracking my period for the last 4 years and will continue to keep track probably until there is no period to be had. I can understand that when you're first starting to ttc there isn't that panic, you aren't into the years of trying so it seems extreme. You haven't seen BFN after BFN after BFN after BFN. I can understand how that mentality is a huge slap in the face to someone who has. I don't know what I'm trying to say by all of this, but I just don't think it's that cut and dry.
And some other ladies who have been BBT / OPKs for MONTHS have taken months off from the stress of it all and have seen their BFP when they stop.
Yes, just relaxing is probably the most effective cure for IF. I don't know why people don't suggest that more.
I’m definitely not saying that it is the cure to IF! I’m just saying that sometimes it doesn’t matter if we’re temping or taking OPKs. And it’s not always best for everyone should jump all in with OPKs and bbt from the start. And sometimes people needs to take a mental month off from those things. From someone who suffers with anxiety often bbt increases my stress level which is definitely not good for TTC. BUT if I have to I will. I’m just not ready yet.
ETA: I would also NEVER give anyone that advice as lord knows it’s not that simple. Double ETA: sorry if you took it that way.
@galactickates@kristah2 I'm definitely not trying to tell anyone how to ttc. I'm saying a lot of ladies probably don't need to know how their body works because they will just get ku very quickly. I am expressing how frustrating it is to know some people don't want or need to spend any time, money, or energy to get ku with a sticky bean. Again, having a bitter hag moment here.
@kristah2 I'm sorry that you have had a struggle with IF. I'm glad you were able to be successful without intervention. As I'm sure you know, that is not the case for everyone who struggles with IF. **TW My own personal story is that I have had three unexplained mc's. My issue is not in getting ku, but in staying that way. Below is the visual representation of my ttc life. end TW**
This made me laugh so hard, the one time I temped and shared it with the group this was my chart back in Sep (in spoiler) followed by @offtoneverland response I about die laughing looking back at it. I cant believe I found it.
@zamora_spin It's so hard sometimes to see other people get what you want without even trying it seems. *TW* I've now had to deal with two pg friends who have had early pg "scares" and everything turned out fine for them. For some reason they want me to comfort them and I get to relive how horribly everything turned out for me, but they get to keep being pg. It just doesn't seem fair sometimes. I obviously don't want them to go through what I went through, but I didn't want to go through it either! Maybe I'm a bitter hag too... lol
I just wanted to add that @zamora_spin you are one of the most valuable people on this board. I have learned more from you then anyone else and you continue to blow me away. I know it's not your job to teach anyone anything, but I just want you to know how much I appreciate it. It's not going into thin air when you share things. tcc just freaking sucks and its really unf*cking fair that some people have it so easy and others who would make amazing mom's struggle so hard. (Not saying that if it's easy you're not a good mom they aren't mutually exclusive) I really don't know what to say to make it better because there just isn't anything that will. But I consider you my friend and I sincerely can't wait to see what is in store for you and all my friends here.
I think it's hard not to feel bitter if you've dealt with IF and/or loss, especially RPL. There's a good reason that there's a separate thread for IF and TTCAL, and that a lot of those people don't participate in the daily threads. Unfortunately, we can't always escape it in real life. One of the conversations happening next to me at work today included a girl complaining about how she was "fertile as fuck". I don't think @zamora_spin was trying to make anyone feel bad, but I do think it's good to have some perspective sometimes.
Me: 35 H: 35 Married: 4/5/13 "You know that place between sleep and awake, that place where you can still remember dreaming? That's where I will always love you. That's where I'll be waiting." ~Peter Pan
*TW*
BFP #1: 11/12/12 EDD 7/25/13 Baby boy: 7/27/13 BFP #2: 10/29/17 MMC dx @ 9 weeks BFP #3: 2/2/18 MC 2/7/18 BFP #4: 3/2/18 MC 3/9/18 RPL testing and hysteroscopy: all normal BFP #5: 4/1/18 MMC dx @ 14 weeks ----> genetically normal girl Hysteroscopy to remove scar tissue 9/28 BFP #6 11/5/18 EDD 7/20/19 Rainbow baby girl born 7/23/19 BFP #7 12/8/2021 EDD 8/22/2022
You are full of knowledge and can't wait for the day we all graduate from here. The TTAL ladies have a special place in my heart ❤️ really, even though it's hard sometimes for me to keep up with post, but I am always LURKING.
I'm gonna be super unhelpful for a moment and just throw in here that you're all amazing. Everyone's going through their own battles right now and learning how to be strong in their own way. I genuinely appreciate each and every one of you sharing your stories, being vulnerable, and especially stepping in to lift others up. I also really embrace those introspective comments where any one of you may allow us to share in your journey and growth, that's exciting stuff. Perspective can be such a funny thing (in the sense of what we read of or through other's comments.)
A separate shout out to @zamora_spin. First, thanks for the input earlier! think I will switch over to the FF app, next cycle. This first one I tried isn't super awesome but I appreciate you trying to decipher it. Anywho, though I know I cannot relate (and I have no opinion on investing in the tools bc I'm the worst kind of person who wants to buy all the gadgets and sign up for all of the websites and metrics immediately), I can certainly understand where your frustration comes from. Every time H and I talk about TTC, I always say I do not know how so many of the women here have endured this journey for so long. It's hard to be new to this and feel like it's so tough, when I cannot even conceptualize how tough this really can become. But in that, there's also some premature scared feelings of what path I will head down. To everyone who has been on here for months and undergoing additional appointment and surgeries - I think about your strength and courage and how painful some days must feel more often than I would like to admit, and it makes my heart break.
@zamora_spin just wanted to clarify I have been one of the lucky ones to not have any IF struggles (at this time) and I won’t leave you thinking I have as that is definitely not fair to those who do struggle. I have more mental health struggles that I need to watch while TTC. You are incredibly strong and I agree with others you are an absolutely asset on this board and while I haven’t experienced half of what you (and these other strong ladies) and I can’t understand what you’re going through. I really do wish the best and keep you all in my thoughts ALL the time.
Let's all just admit that TTC sucks big time. I think it's hard for us "bitter old TTC hags" to remember that even on your first or second month of TTC it's really stressful too. And it's hard to curb the jealousy surrounding the people who graduate from TTGP so easily, even without temping and using OPKs and getting acupuncture and drinking pom juice and taking ALL THE SUPPLEMENTS. And inevitably lots of you newer people will be graduating soon, which is fantastic, but still hard for some of us to understand. @acciocoffee I love Yoga with Adriene! I've done it twice this week and it's making me feel really strong already. Sometimes she is kind of a weirdo though, but you gotta love weirdos. Also I love your angry HP gif. Totally true. @kristah2 I agree about cruises. I would stay on the ship the entire time if I could. They're so much bigger than you realize! @eleven_ Just a few more days left in this month, friend. You can pull through. PM me if you need to talk or vent. I hope you're doing okay. @zamora_spin The gif of your TTC life is so true. I feel that way too. @galactickates I LOVE that you found my post from way back when. I remember that. Hahaha!
Re: TWW Thursday 1/25
@jengibre_zorro Yes, sleep quality can impact temps. If you wake up/get up a lot at night it can impact your temp, although for some people it doesn't. I keep waking up at 4 am, having to pee, then struggling to go back to sleep.
@Whitmore1027 Why do you think YH's sperm is a problem? Isn't this your first cycle of trying? I'm confused.
Even though ttc has been a very heartbreaking process for me, I have enjoyed understanding more about how my body works. This is kind of a rant, so... bitter hag moment here... For everyone who is not sure how "invested" they want to get in ttc in terms of BBT, OPK -- Look, many of you are going to be 1/1 or 2/2 SS and then go on to have perfect and uncomplicated pregnancies without ever once taking your temperature or using an OPK. That's a fact I've been around the block long enough to know and tbh it's hard not to resent it. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the entitlement of feeling you don't want to bother like, taking your temperature daily (Mabis is a good BBT and is like $10)/figuring out when you are O'ing (you can get a 50 pack of OPKs for less than $20 on Amazon), and timing intercourse because I know so many ladies who are going through IF and are doing things like injecting themselves daily with crazy burning medications for a chance at pregnancy.
I have friends who's H's had performance anxiety when they knew their wives were doing these things. I know people who just want to try on their own first.
I also know others who have been trying at a completely wrong time for months and learned once they started BBT.
For me, I use OPK's because I happened to have some But H and I agree on nothing else until after 3 months of trying. Until then we try to be more relaxed about it.
And some other ladies who have been BBT / OPKs for MONTHS have taken months off from the stress of it all and have seen their BFP when they stop.
I agree the financial investment is minimal and if you want to do ANYTHING to get the BFP then just make the investment- but it's not always about the time or money investment when they decide not to do one of the above mentioned.
And none of this is to take away from those IF ladies who deserve that BFP and are doing whatever it takes - but that is a choice some people choose not to make right away.
End TW
I know it shows I am on cycle 1 month 1, but this isn't our first go around trying to conceive, so we really don't know what to expect. And even though it's not "me" that has the "problem it's still heartbreaking for me because no matter what, we still have the possibility of not getting pregnant for a long time.
Met: 2005 | Started Dating: 2009 | Married: 2013
Surprise Pregnancy #3; BFP: 01.11.2020; Due Date: September 19, 2021
Love you @zamora_spin
Dating: 2/2007 Married: 4/2011
TTC #1: 9/2016
*TW*
BFP #2: 3/9/2017 - CP: 3/10/2017
08/2017: DH's SA = normal
08/2017: Low progesterone (4.6) all other BW normal
11/2017: HSG Clear; Pelvic Ultrasound Normal; and AMH, FSH, and Estradiol normal
12/2017: 1,000mg Metformin
12/2017: 50mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: 100mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: RE Consult
03/2018: 5mg Letrozole + 50 units Gonal-F + 500 μg Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #3: 4/1/2018 - CP: 4/4/2018
04/2018: 5mg Letrozole + Gonal-F + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #4: 5/2/18
I understand both sides.
Telling sometime with IF to just relax is.... I don't even know what to say to that. We should all know better by now. Relaxing isn't going to make my fallopian tube magically grow back or someones so with low sperm count suddenly have more, or someone with rpl magically hold on to their baby this time. Those words are beyond hurtful.
But..... we all have to know and see that ttc is not a one size fits all. There are definitely stages to trying. A BBT isn't going to tell me which ovary I'm ovulating from. It's only added pressure for me. DH and I HIO every night regardless. I've been tracking my period for the last 4 years and will continue to keep track probably until there is no period to be had. I can understand that when you're first starting to ttc there isn't that panic, you aren't into the years of trying so it seems extreme. You haven't seen BFN after BFN after BFN after BFN. I can understand how that mentality is a huge slap in the face to someone who has. I don't know what I'm trying to say by all of this, but I just don't think it's that cut and dry.
From someone who suffers with anxiety often bbt increases my stress level which is definitely not good for TTC. BUT if I have to I will. I’m just not ready yet.
ETA: I would also NEVER give anyone that advice as lord knows it’s not that simple.
Double ETA: sorry if you took it that way.
@kristah2 I'm sorry that you have had a struggle with IF. I'm glad you were able to be successful without intervention. As I'm sure you know, that is not the case for everyone who struggles with IF. **TW My own personal story is that I have had three unexplained mc's. My issue is not in getting ku, but in staying that way. Below is the visual representation of my ttc life. end TW**
Married: 4/5/13
"You know that place between sleep and awake,
that place where you can still remember dreaming?
That's where I will always love you.
That's where I'll be waiting."
~Peter Pan
*TW*
BFP #2: 10/29/17 MMC dx @ 9 weeks
BFP #3: 2/2/18 MC 2/7/18
BFP #4: 3/2/18 MC 3/9/18
RPL testing and hysteroscopy: all normal
BFP #5: 4/1/18 MMC dx @ 14 weeks ----> genetically normal girl
Hysteroscopy to remove scar tissue 9/28
BFP #6 11/5/18 EDD 7/20/19
BFP #7 12/8/2021 EDD 8/22/2022
You are full of knowledge and can't wait for the day we all graduate from here. The TTAL ladies have a special place in my heart ❤️ really, even though it's hard sometimes for me to keep up with post, but I am always LURKING.
I'm gonna be super unhelpful for a moment and just throw in here that you're all amazing. Everyone's going through their own battles right now and learning how to be strong in their own way. I genuinely appreciate each and every one of you sharing your stories, being vulnerable, and especially stepping in to lift others up. I also really embrace those introspective comments where any one of you may allow us to share in your journey and growth, that's exciting stuff. Perspective can be such a funny thing (in the sense of what we read of or through other's comments.)
A separate shout out to @zamora_spin. First, thanks for the input earlier! think I will switch over to the FF app, next cycle. This first one I tried isn't super awesome but I appreciate you trying to decipher it.
Anywho, though I know I cannot relate (and I have no opinion on investing in the tools bc I'm the worst kind of person who wants to buy all the gadgets and sign up for all of the websites and metrics immediately), I can certainly understand where your frustration comes from. Every time H and I talk about TTC, I always say I do not know how so many of the women here have endured this journey for so long. It's hard to be new to this and feel like it's so tough, when I cannot even conceptualize how tough this really can become. But in that, there's also some premature scared feelings of what path I will head down.
To everyone who has been on here for months and undergoing additional appointment and surgeries - I think about your strength and courage and how painful some days must feel more often than I would like to admit, and it makes my heart break.
On a lighter note...
You are incredibly strong and I agree with others you are an absolutely asset on this board and while I haven’t experienced half of what you (and these other strong ladies) and I can’t understand what you’re going through. I really do wish the best and keep you all in my thoughts ALL the time.
You guys are so great and sweet and supportive even through your own pains. It's super inspiring!
AND I LOVE THAT PHOTO! I laughed for 5 minutes!
Met: 2005 | Started Dating: 2009 | Married: 2013
Surprise Pregnancy #3; BFP: 01.11.2020; Due Date: September 19, 2021
@acciocoffee I love Yoga with Adriene! I've done it twice this week and it's making me feel really strong already. Sometimes she is kind of a weirdo though, but you gotta love weirdos. Also I love your angry HP gif. Totally true.
@kristah2 I agree about cruises. I would stay on the ship the entire time if I could. They're so much bigger than you realize!
@eleven_ Just a few more days left in this month, friend. You can pull through. PM me if you need to talk or vent.
@zamora_spin The gif of your TTC life is so true. I feel that way too.
@galactickates I LOVE that you found my post from way back when. I remember that. Hahaha!
DD1: 8/2014
TTC #2: 6/2017
BFP 8/3/2017 | CP 8/4
BFP 10/16/2017 | CP 10/21
BFP 12/18/2017 | CP 12/28
BFP 2/15/2018 | EDD: November 2nd | It's a girl!
DD2: 10/2018