Up through high school I don't think Math and Science are any more important than classes like PE and Art. I think they are all very important and we shouldn't prioritize, but rather require them all.
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Oh also if you homeschool your kids I assume 80% of the time they got a substandard education. Same for if you sent your kids to Waldorf or similar. (ETA yes I know some people homeschool their kids and it can be the best thing ever. But I think they are significantly in the minority)
Oh also if you homeschool your kids I assume 80% of the time they got a substandard education. Same for if you sent your kids to Waldorf or similar. (ETA yes I know some people homeschool their kids and it can be the best thing ever. But I think they are significantly in the minority)
I have a very good friend who was homeschooled by her mom, and she and all of her siblings are exceptionally smart and successful as adults. I have noticed that they are lacking in the pop culture department, which is kinda funny at times, but in the grand scheme of things, that doesn't seem all too important.
I think I generally agree with you, though. I think they are probably in the minority and can credit their mother, who just happened to be exactly the type of person who can successfully home school (extremely smart and educated and committed).
I am curious as to how Waldorf relates to that though? I don't know anything about that program really but thought it was similar to Montessori.
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Oh also if you homeschool your kids I assume 80% of the time they got a substandard education. Same for if you sent your kids to Waldorf or similar. (ETA yes I know some people homeschool their kids and it can be the best thing ever. But I think they are significantly in the minority)
I have a very good friend who was homeschooled by her mom, and she and all of her siblings are exceptionally smart and successful as adults. I have noticed that they are lacking in the pop culture department, which is kinda funny at times, but in the grand scheme of things, that doesn't seem all too important.
I think I generally agree with you, though. I think they are probably in the minority and can credit their mother, who just happened to be exactly the type of person who can successfully home school (extremely smart and educated and committed).
I am curious as to how Waldorf relates to that though? I don't know anything about that program really but thought it was similar to Montessori.
Waldorf (and Montessori) can be excellent for pre-K type programs but have extremely unusual practices as kids get further on. Like not teaching kids to read until 3rd grade.
When people bash others over Facebook statuses - or the like- that realllllly don’t affect them (ie not political or asking for opinions) I assume they have boring lives.
Oh also if you homeschool your kids I assume 80% of the time they got a substandard education. Same for if you sent your kids to Waldorf or similar. (ETA yes I know some people homeschool their kids and it can be the best thing ever. But I think they are significantly in the minority)
I have a very good friend who was homeschooled by her mom, and she and all of her siblings are exceptionally smart and successful as adults. I have noticed that they are lacking in the pop culture department, which is kinda funny at times, but in the grand scheme of things, that doesn't seem all too important.
I think I generally agree with you, though. I think they are probably in the minority and can credit their mother, who just happened to be exactly the type of person who can successfully home school (extremely smart and educated and committed).
I am curious as to how Waldorf relates to that though? I don't know anything about that program really but thought it was similar to Montessori.
Waldorf (and Montessori) can be excellent for pre-K type programs but have extremely unusual practices as kids get further on. Like not teaching kids to read until 3rd grade.
Oh, sheeeeesh, @antoto. Now I'm going to have to go down the rabbit hole of finding out *why* that is. That hardly seems like a good idea!
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My parents homeschooled myself and four of my siblings. Our education and preparation for life was anything but substandard, we integrated better into adulthood than the vast majority of our friends and public schooled cousins of the same age. We are more successful adults than they are, as well. I really don’t mean that as a brag, but most of them are working making barely above minimum wage, living at home and no desire to achieve better, while my siblings and I have homes, families and nest egg security. At the same age. Possibly UO, but I hate when people assume we were lacking, had substandard education or expect us to be socially odd because we were homeschooled. Quite honestly, it is offensive to myself and my family.
I don't like when unmedicated and low intervention births are called "natural" births.
Ok so I need clarification on this apparently because I've seen like 17 different definitions. What exactly is a natural birth then? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just ignorant.
@Gingermom15, I apologize. How you describe your family is similar to how I described my homeschool friend's family, but I also added the commentary saying I think they are in the minority. I don't know why I have the perception to the contrary, honestly, because I don't know anyone else that's has been homeschooled. I should probably check those kinds of thoughts, so thanks for speaking out.
FWIW, I don't think my friend is socially awkward. She and her siblings lack awareness of pop culture from our school-age years (little to no knowledge of movies and music and TV shows), but again, as I said, who cares, really, in the grand scheme of things.
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My parents homeschooled myself and four of my siblings. Our education and preparation for life was anything but substandard, we integrated better into adulthood than the vast majority of our friends and public schooled cousins of the same age. We are more successful adults than they are, as well. I really don’t mean that as a brag, but most of them are working making barely above minimum wage, living at home and no desire to achieve better, while my siblings and I have homes, families and nest egg security. At the same age. Possibly UO, but I hate when people assume we were lacking, had substandard education or expect us to be socially odd because we were homeschooled. Quite honestly, it is offensive to myself and my family.
Reminder that I said I'm aware that some who were homeschooled were extremely successful in doing so. The youngest professor at MIT was homeschooled. I'm aware of this.
ETA but I'm also not backing down that the majority of the time the schooling is often highly questionable. Usually the cause is that the parents chose to keep the kids out of public school specifically because they want their kids to learn a religiously based curriculum and those often include outright lies in science and history courses.
My parents homeschooled myself and four of my siblings. Our education and preparation for life was anything but substandard, we integrated better into adulthood than the vast majority of our friends and public schooled cousins of the same age. We are more successful adults than they are, as well. I really don’t mean that as a brag, but most of them are working making barely above minimum wage, living at home and no desire to achieve better, while my siblings and I have homes, families and nest egg security. At the same age. Possibly UO, but I hate when people assume we were lacking, had substandard education or expect us to be socially odd because we were homeschooled. Quite honestly, it is offensive to myself and my family.
Reminder that I said I'm aware that some who were homeschooled were extremely successful in doing so. The youngest professor at MIT was homeschooled. I'm aware of this.
How many homeschooled families have you observed to make this assumption? That only “some” are successful. Within our homeschool network, quite large during my childhood, the majority of children went on to receive college degrees and well-paying jobs. Certainly, being homeschooled is not right for every child and family, but doing so unsuccessfully has been quite minor from all the years I have witnessed
My parents homeschooled myself and four of my siblings. Our education and preparation for life was anything but substandard, we integrated better into adulthood than the vast majority of our friends and public schooled cousins of the same age. We are more successful adults than they are, as well. I really don’t mean that as a brag, but most of them are working making barely above minimum wage, living at home and no desire to achieve better, while my siblings and I have homes, families and nest egg security. At the same age. Possibly UO, but I hate when people assume we were lacking, had substandard education or expect us to be socially odd because we were homeschooled. Quite honestly, it is offensive to myself and my family.
Reminder that I said I'm aware that some who were homeschooled were extremely successful in doing so. The youngest professor at MIT was homeschooled. I'm aware of this.
How many homeschooled families have you observed to make this assumption? That only “some” are successful. Within our homeschool network, quite large during my childhood, the majority of children went on to receive college degrees and well-paying jobs. Certainly, being homeschooled is not right for every child and family, but doing so unsuccessfully has been quite minor from all the years I have witnessed
I've witnessed it when the kids come back into public high school and are unable to catch up.
If you have a science curriculum that is based from a creationist perspective you are going to have a substandard education.
ETA - all of this is not to suggest I think public education everywhere is amazing. I can totally understand why someone may want to homeschool if the public school in their area is dangerous or horribly underfunded.
I don't like the huge flowers and/or headbands that people put on their babies. I think they're too big and I'm not a fan. That doesn't mean I'll side-eye anyone who does and I'll still "lovetit" your pictures but I didn't do that for my daughter and if we have another girl I won't do that this time either. I also don't like babies with pierced ears, I think it's unnecessary and it doesn't give them a choice if they want their ears pierced. My sister is 27 and doesn't have her ears pierced by her own choice. Also I wouldn't have to deal with the tiny little earrings and earring backs and I'd constantly be worried that one had fallen out and the baby was going to choke on it.
This is not directed at anyone here because I see it everywhere, all the time and it all runs together. I reallyhate the "I'm team (XYZ)!" trend. I wish it would stop.
My parents homeschooled myself and four of my siblings. Our education and preparation for life was anything but substandard, we integrated better into adulthood than the vast majority of our friends and public schooled cousins of the same age. We are more successful adults than they are, as well. I really don’t mean that as a brag, but most of them are working making barely above minimum wage, living at home and no desire to achieve better, while my siblings and I have homes, families and nest egg security. At the same age. Possibly UO, but I hate when people assume we were lacking, had substandard education or expect us to be socially odd because we were homeschooled. Quite honestly, it is offensive to myself and my family.
Reminder that I said I'm aware that some who were homeschooled were extremely successful in doing so. The youngest professor at MIT was homeschooled. I'm aware of this.
How many homeschooled families have you observed to make this assumption? That only “some” are successful. Within our homeschool network, quite large during my childhood, the majority of children went on to receive college degrees and well-paying jobs. Certainly, being homeschooled is not right for every child and family, but doing so unsuccessfully has been quite minor from all the years I have witnessed
I've witnessed it when the kids come back into public high school and are unable to catch up.
If you have a science curriculum that is based from a creationist perspective you are going to have a substandard education.
That doesn’t mean this is the norm for homeschooled kids, though. It is pretty unfair to assume that 80% of the time they are going to be lacking, especially if you hear someone is homeschooled and do not know the circumstances. It is an ignorant generalization that I have spent my life hearing about. If I choose to homeschool my children, it is sad that they would have to deal with the same assumptions in our day and age when generalizing a population is considered rude.
I don't like the huge flowers and/or headbands that people put on their babies. I think they're too big and I'm not a fan. That doesn't mean I'll side-eye anyone who does and I'll still "lovetit" your pictures but I didn't do that for my daughter and if we have another girl I won't do that this time either. I also don't like babies with pierced ears, I think it's unnecessary and it doesn't give them a choice if they want their ears pierced. My sister is 27 and doesn't have her ears pierced by her own choice. Also I wouldn't have to deal with the tiny little earrings and earring backs and I'd constantly be worried that one had fallen out and the baby was going to choke on it.
I’m 100% for leaving babies bodies alone. Including circumcision (unless medically indicated). That may be a heated UO, but oh well.
That doesn’t mean this is the norm for homeschooled kids, though. It is pretty unfair to assume that 80% of the time they are going to be lacking, especially if you hear someone is homeschooled and do not know the circumstances. It is an ignorant generalization that I have spent my life hearing about. If I choose to homeschool my children, it is sad that they would have to deal with the same assumptions in our day and age when generalizing a population is considered rude.
I just looked it up at 64-77% of the US homeschooled population is doing it for religious reasons. So I guess 80% was high. I'll adjust it to this.
To expand on my thoughts here - I don't assume homeschooled people are unintelligent or unable to hold jobs or graduate from college. That's nonsense and I have not said that here. I believe that the majority of them received what I personally believe to be an incomplete education.
This is not directed at anyone here because I see it everywhere, all the time and it all runs together. I reallyhate the "I'm team (XYZ)!" trend. I wish it would stop.
Stuck in quote... The only one I think is remotely acceptable is saying you are Team Green. This is just for the brief few months before birth. After that, team "anything" needs to go.
My UO is that I believe time away from your children is beneficial to all parties. I love my children, but if I don't get alone time once and awhile I go a little crazy. And my kids love getting to do the special things with their grandparents.
I'm curious, @Gingermom15, if your knowledge and experience is as @antoto is describing with regard to how science was taught to you and to others you know. I'm purely curious at this point, so if that feels like I'm being confrontational, I understand if you don't want to answer.
I was also also wondering if it is fair to assume that the children who are being *successfully* homeschooled aren't generally the ones entering public school at a late age and may be the reason for these perceptions from an educator's perspective. Like I said, I'm not sure where my own perceptions stem from, but my mom was a career educator, so maybe it came from her having had similar experiences to @Antoto with kids entering the school system after having been home schooled.
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I'm curious, @Gingermom15, if your knowledge and experience is as @antoto is describing with regard to how science was taught to you and to others you know. I'm purely curious at this point, so if that feels like I'm being confrontational, I understand if you don't want to answer.
I was also also wondering if it is fair to assume that the children who are being *successfully* homeschooled aren't generally the ones entering public school at a late age and may be the reason for these perceptions from an educator's perspective. Like I said, I'm not sure where my own perceptions stem from, but my mom was a career educator, so maybe it came from her having had similar experiences to @Antoto with kids entering the school system after having been home schooled.
Additionally though my UO was specifically only about religious curriculum (which I now realized I should have specified) and I don't know if Gingermom had that. 20-30% of homeschool families are not doing it for religious reasons.
I definitely think my view from a public school has impacted my perception of homeschooling.
But also regardless of that I think any curriculum where you don't learn about the truth of scientific theories and historical documents is incomplete. I have never suggested here that these kids couldn't find a job or graduate college and I don't love that this is being put in my mouth, tbh.
That doesn’t mean this is the norm for homeschooled kids, though. It is pretty unfair to assume that 80% of the time they are going to be lacking, especially if you hear someone is homeschooled and do not know the circumstances. It is an ignorant generalization that I have spent my life hearing about. If I choose to homeschool my children, it is sad that they would have to deal with the same assumptions in our day and age when generalizing a population is considered rude.
I just looked it up at 64-77% of the US homeschooled population is doing it for religious reasons. So I guess 80% was high. I'll adjust it to this.
To expand on my thoughts here - I don't assume homeschooled people are unintelligent or unable to hold jobs or graduate from college. That's nonsense and I have not said that here. I believe that the majority of them received what I personally believe to be an incomplete education.
My parents homeschooled for religious reasons, they technically tell people, our education curriculum was never religion based. My mom built her own curriculum because it was impossible to find a solid curriculum (20+ years ago), but we never learned creationism and religion alongside our education. It was taught to us separately if we chose to do so. After years of hearing ill comments about being homeschooled, the judgement tends to get old. Especially grouping all homeschoolers into the same category.
@antoto I have definitely seen math gaps from homeschooled students, but also homeschooled students who are way advanced. I'd tend to agree that it can be done right.
@stlbuckeye132 I guess I'd think that birth in general is a natural thing. I'd just prefer that people use the term unmedicated. Just because I had an epidural doesn't make DD "unnatural."
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My UO is that I believe time away from your children is beneficial to all parties. I love my children, but if I don't get alone time once and awhile I go a little crazy. And my kids love getting to do the special things with their grandparents.
My son is spending the next two nights at his grandmas house, really due to DH and I having ridiculous schedules the next few days. But it’s nice to get a breather sometimes. Last week was ROUGH on us and he was going stir crazy. He loves his grandma and doesn’t like to come home when we get him lol
I just looked it up at 64-77% of the US homeschooled population is doing it for religious reasons. So I guess 80% was high. I'll adjust it to this.
To expand on my thoughts here - I don't assume homeschooled people are unintelligent or unable to hold jobs or graduate from college. That's nonsense and I have not said that here. I believe that the majority of them received what I personally believe to be an incomplete education.
My parents homeschooled for religious reasons, they technically tell people, our education curriculum was never religion based. My mom built her own curriculum because it was impossible to find a solid curriculum (20+ years ago), but we never learned creationism and religion alongside our education. It was taught to us separately if we chose to do so. After years of hearing ill comments about being homeschooled, the judgement tends to get old. Especially grouping all homeschoolers into the same category.
Okay but it's not an unfair assumption that people who homeschool for religious purposes most likely use religiously based curriculum, and that even if they don't they probably don't teach about evolution and separation of church and state in the same way that would be taught in a public school.
@becausescience got it, that makes total sense! I thought you meant it could only be called "natural" if you were unmedicated and gave birth in the forest or something.
I work at a somewhat competitive, very academically centered university that has a decent sized home school population. I think it's hard to compare their GPA to public school students for various reasons, but the biggest being the practice of weighing GPAs for AP/Dual Enrollment courses by public schools. A lot of our home school students have exceptionally high ACT and/or SAT scores and do really well in our difficult science/engineering programs. I usually have 1-3 National Merit Semi-Finalist of National Merit Finalist home school students each year.
My husband teaches science at a public high school so we're 100% public school people. I just think the concept of a home school student being unsocialized and uneducated is a little out dated, at least in my area. The choice of umbrella programs by the family is what really seems to make a difference though. Some are fantastic and some are not, just like with public schools.
@antoto My brother and I were homeschooled. It wasn't very structured, my folks are working class (mom was a nurse, and dad was an artisan). I never felt that I was special, because we struggled, but I learned to teach myself about the things that interested me, and be responsible for my own shortcomings. When my brother and I went to college, we weren't star students to start off, (remedial classes suck). I sucked terribly at Math, but because I wanted to learn, I focused on Math, and went on to major in it. We both went on to get scholarships and graduated Magna Cum Laude, while my brother went on to get a masters degree and to teach college. Neither of my parents finished college. They homeschooled us mainly because they commuted so far to work that they would have had to let us be at home for long periods of time after school, which would not have been safe with us living in the country far from help if we needed it (We went with my dad to his shop every day). But also, they did not want the public school to crush our spirits, as theirs had been crushed to conform to what was expected to be normal. They always said we should pursue whatever career makes us happy, that work wouldn't be "Work" if we enjoyed what we were doing. They are religious, but they let us make our own decisions. We were never sequestered away from "worldly influences". Our folks were pretty relaxed. But they did work so hard to make sure we were involved in every activity available - girl scouts, boy scouts, civil air patrol, 4-H, parks and wildlife outreaches, civic involvement, music, arts... I was so burned out by the time I graduated And I shouldn't say "Graduated" because we both had to get a GED to get a high school diploma, which I got early and started college at 17. (My brother was a late bloomer and didn't get his until 19, but he had ADD and dyslexia and still managed to get a Masters Degree).
One thing I can say is that I never felt comfortable with other teens, and felt more at home with adults. I think this was because we were taught to act like adults, and to be polite and respectful. That just doesn't fit with how kids our age were acting. So after all this, you could say my homeschool education was "Substandard" and I wouldn't argue, but I felt 100% more ready for college than a lot of public schoolers I met at my college. They were, for the most part, terrified about their ability to learn or didn't really try until it was almost to late to pass. I think even with my parent's terrible schooling abilities, and I mean they were not that great at it at all, I still survived and became successful in college. And this is equal to what every other graduate experienced whether homeschooled or not. With all that I have learned and experienced, I do plan on homeschooling my own kids.
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@stlbuckeye132 I guess I'd think that birth in general is a natural thing. I'd just prefer that people use the term unmedicated. Just because I had an epidural doesn't make DD "unnatural."
The judgement/superiority implied is the real problem. There should be no hierarchy in birth methods/experiences. Just as a c-section or forceps/vacuum-assisted birth isn't superior to a home birth, the converse is also true. Unless someone is an idiot who acts with a complete disregard for the safety of their child despite evidence that their choices are endangering their child, they're all good and equal. If there is a need to describe the birth situation, unmediated is the accurate, and more descriptive, term.
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FWIW I did not intend to put words in your mouth in terms of what is defined as successful, I realize that what constitutes success may vary from person to person. For me (in terms of homeschooling), it is becoming an adult able to integrate and prove themselves useful to society, being able to support yourself and securing a future. It would make sense @antoto that your definition, as an educator, that successful homeschooled child is to be taught a completed curriculum. Honestly, my mind never went to being religious based because we were taught the same as our public schooled friends and family, as many in our homeschool groups were. We most definitely agree upon religious based curriculum being incomplete, but just because someone homeschooled for religious reasons (as my parents did), doesn’t necessarily mean they are being taught a religious based curriculum (as we were not). I keep in contact with quite a few homeschool cohorts, and many are teaching their own children using scientifically based curriculum. It may give you some hope that the homeschool due to religion may begin to even with other reasons.
@Antoto Also, to clarify, I did have a creationist based curriculum with religious courses and all the rest, and I never had an issue with it in any college classes. It never had any bearing on my career, or any problem that lead to me not being able to get a job. And I don't have any problem with people learning about evolution.
@pregobeth girl, I had outside math tutors almost daily from age 6-7 until I graduated. I still had to take remedial math when I entered college lol. It’s no ones fault, really. I despised math and everything about it until I started working on mathematics in nursing school. I would have never believed I could convert and calculate the hinge I can now, I can do it because it interests me and patient care is what I love. Working on numbers just to solve the equation was useless, silly and uninteresting to me until it had a purpose.
@Gingermom15 I hated math so much too! It wasn't until I had really great teachers at my 2 year college that made me interested in math for scientists. Once I got to the four year college though, my Math teachers were terrible, and I switched to business statistics because I really enjoyed the first stats class I took. I enjoyed stats all the way through, but I have never used it since college
I was taught that a natural birth was vaginal and a surgical Birth was a cesarean. In medical terms, a natural birth isn’t defined as to whether or not you had an epidural or pain medications, it is defined as the baby exiting your vagina. A CS is a surgical birth, and surgery is an unnatural opening into the body. Birth is defined as the neonate being physically separated from the mother. Therefore, it is impossible for birth to be unnatural as it always occurs via baby exiting from somewhere. Whether or not it is vaginal or surgical I think is where the confusion often lies.
Edited to clarify that I was taught in nursing school that, in layman’s terms, a “natural” birth often means vaginal to most people.
I think ultimately it’s just important to remember that there’s so much grey area in life and nothing is ever black and white. Homeschooled students can fall anywhere in the spectrum of a successful education/life post-education, and have that success not necessarily come from their education but their own personalities and determination to succeed (like in @pregobeth ‘s case). That being said, I entered this conversation believing a lot of the stereotypes about homeschooled children and honestly it’s been really refreshing to read about the experiences of the women here who have been homeschooled and defy those stereotypes.
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I think I generally agree with you, though. I think they are probably in the minority and can credit their mother, who just happened to be exactly the type of person who can successfully home school (extremely smart and educated and committed).
I am curious as to how Waldorf relates to that though? I don't know anything about that program really but thought it was similar to Montessori.
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Possibly UO, but I hate when people assume we were lacking, had substandard education or expect us to be socially odd because we were homeschooled. Quite honestly, it is offensive to myself and my family.
FWIW, I don't think my friend is socially awkward. She and her siblings lack awareness of pop culture from our school-age years (little to no knowledge of movies and music and TV shows), but again, as I said, who cares, really, in the grand scheme of things.
ETA but I'm also not backing down that the majority of the time the schooling is often highly questionable. Usually the cause is that the parents chose to keep the kids out of public school specifically because they want their kids to learn a religiously based curriculum and those often include outright lies in science and history courses.
Certainly, being homeschooled is not right for every child and family, but doing so unsuccessfully has been quite minor from all the years I have witnessed
If you have a science curriculum that is based from a creationist perspective you are going to have a substandard education.
ETA - all of this is not to suggest I think public education everywhere is amazing. I can totally understand why someone may want to homeschool if the public school in their area is dangerous or horribly underfunded.
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To expand on my thoughts here - I don't assume homeschooled people are unintelligent or unable to hold jobs or graduate from college. That's nonsense and I have not said that here. I believe that the majority of them received what I personally believe to be an incomplete education.
I was also also wondering if it is fair to assume that the children who are being *successfully* homeschooled aren't generally the ones entering public school at a late age and may be the reason for these perceptions from an educator's perspective. Like I said, I'm not sure where my own perceptions stem from, but my mom was a career educator, so maybe it came from her having had similar experiences to @Antoto with kids entering the school system after having been home schooled.
I definitely think my view from a public school has impacted my perception of homeschooling.
But also regardless of that I think any curriculum where you don't learn about the truth of scientific theories and historical documents is incomplete. I have never suggested here that these kids couldn't find a job or graduate college and I don't love that this is being put in my mouth, tbh.
After years of hearing ill comments about being homeschooled, the judgement tends to get old. Especially grouping all homeschoolers into the same category.
@stlbuckeye132 I guess I'd think that birth in general is a natural thing. I'd just prefer that people use the term unmedicated. Just because I had an epidural doesn't make DD "unnatural."
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My husband teaches science at a public high school so we're 100% public school people. I just think the concept of a home school student being unsocialized and uneducated is a little out dated, at least in my area. The choice of umbrella programs by the family is what really seems to make a difference though. Some are fantastic and some are not, just like with public schools.
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They are religious, but they let us make our own decisions. We were never sequestered away from "worldly influences". Our folks were pretty relaxed. But they did work so hard to make sure we were involved in every activity available - girl scouts, boy scouts, civil air patrol, 4-H, parks and wildlife outreaches, civic involvement, music, arts... I was so burned out by the time I graduated
One thing I can say is that I never felt comfortable with other teens, and felt more at home with adults. I think this was because we were taught to act like adults, and to be polite and respectful. That just doesn't fit with how kids our age were acting.
So after all this, you could say my homeschool education was "Substandard" and I wouldn't argue, but I felt 100% more ready for college than a lot of public schoolers I met at my college. They were, for the most part, terrified about their ability to learn or didn't really try until it was almost to late to pass.
I think even with my parent's terrible schooling abilities, and I mean they were not that great at it at all, I still survived and became successful in college. And this is equal to what every other graduate experienced whether homeschooled or not.
With all that I have learned and experienced, I do plan on homeschooling my own kids.
My OU for the day - I hope the Astros win the World Series!
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FWIW I did not intend to put words in your mouth in terms of what is defined as successful, I realize that what constitutes success may vary from person to person. For me (in terms of homeschooling), it is becoming an adult able to integrate and prove themselves useful to society, being able to support yourself and securing a future. It would make sense @antoto that your definition, as an educator, that successful homeschooled child is to be taught a completed curriculum. Honestly, my mind never went to being religious based because we were taught the same as our public schooled friends and family, as many in our homeschool groups were.
We most definitely agree upon religious based curriculum being incomplete, but just because someone homeschooled for religious reasons (as my parents did), doesn’t necessarily mean they are being taught a religious based curriculum (as we were not).
I keep in contact with quite a few homeschool cohorts, and many are teaching their own children using scientifically based curriculum. It may give you some hope that the homeschool due to religion may begin to even with other reasons.
And I don't have any problem with people learning about evolution.
Birth is defined as the neonate being physically separated from the mother. Therefore, it is impossible for birth to be unnatural as it always occurs via baby exiting from somewhere. Whether or not it is vaginal or surgical I think is where the confusion often lies.
Edited to clarify that I was taught in nursing school that, in layman’s terms, a “natural” birth often means vaginal to most people.
That being said, I entered this conversation believing a lot of the stereotypes about homeschooled children and honestly it’s been really refreshing to read about the experiences of the women here who have been homeschooled and defy those stereotypes.
Also, #team”team” and any birth is natural birth.