Chart Stalk & Questions Thread 6/26

adirat · June 2017

This is a thread where anyone can feel free to request a chart stalk, second-guess FF's interpretation, or post TTC-related questions, regardless of where in your cycle you are. Sometimes FF is wrong. That's where we come in. Get your second opinion here.

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doxiemoxie212 · June 2017

I have a theoretical question. In the case of implantation bleeding, does it typically mean implantation occurred that day? A day before? Could go either way? Or no one knows because it's not that common? I just realized I have no idea.

mamasaurus12415 · June 2017

@doxiemoxie212 I would say it probably starts the day of implantation and could last a couple days. I found this article to have some good info in it: https://americanpregnancy.org/getting-pregnant/what-is-implantation-bleeding/

TW- fwiw, I didn't have any bleeding when I got pregnant with my daughter -End TW

adirat · June 2017

@doxiemoxie212 Bleeding is day of or day after. But it isn't much of a sign since spotting can also be caused by ten million other things.

doxiemoxie212 · June 2017

@adirat, Haha thanks, genuine 100% theoretical

doxiemoxie212 · June 2017

@mamasaurus12415 yea, TW when I MCed, it was actually the only cycle I did NOT have any spotting throughout my LP. I almost always do.

lifesabeach85 · June 2017

Ok so I posted this in a different thread but looks like this is a better spot for questions of this nature:

Im using ClearBlue digital OPKs and the instructions say use FMU. Is this what people typically do (since LH surge is often later in day)?

tamalahoops · June 2017

@lbeach5885 I always used first or second pee. And then when they started to get darker I would test again after work 12ish hours later so I didn't miss my surge. But I was not using digis. I was using some cheapies.

looeeze · June 2017

@lbeach5885 I used the clearblue digis this month with FMU but honestly i trust the wondfos more so I always verified with those in the afternoon.

lifesabeach85 · June 2017

@looeeze any reason you trust wondfo more?

[Deleted User] · June 2017

@lbeach5885 I think everyone's experience is a little different. Some people feel like the cbadvs will just flash and flash at them, and they never get a peak. Others feel like the wondfos are too hard to read what's a "true positive." It can totally go both ways.

For me, I liked peeing on one thing (cbadv with fmu) and be done with it. The cost was worth the convenience in my case bc 1) they worked for me 2) I could communicate easily to DH, "it's blinkie smiley day...." ;) ;) while I never felt like I got a true positive on the wondfos.

Other ladies get a short surge and feel like they will totally miss it if they only do fmu, hence the sort of, "afternoon confirmation," approach @looeeze mentioned. My best advice is try things for yourself and do what works for you. ;)

....And get an SA after a reasonable amount of time... ffs lol (see siggy) Welcome and GL!!!

looeeze · June 2017

@lbeach5885 I like that I can see progression in them. With the digis, it's such a harsh Yes or No. And this cycle, the Wondos matched with my temps perfectly, the digi didn't give me a "peak" until what ended up being 2dop. YMMV.

zamoraspin · June 2017

@lbeach5885 like @looeeze I have had a good experience with the cheap OPKs (Wondfo or Easy at Home, same thing). I was confused at first about comparing the lines but once I got a test line that was at least as dark as the control it was very obvious. I start testing when I start to get fertile CM and will generally test twice a day. I usually get two clearly positive OPKs (usually it's an evening positive and positive the following am, then later that day it is negative again). I also agree with @BusinessWife that you should try a couple things and do what works for you.

doula-mama · June 2017

@lbeach5885 I think a lot of women also tend to use the Wondfos because they are a LOT cheaper... if you don't know when to expect your surge (or if you have even one cycle with delayed O), you may be testing quite a bit.

holly321 · June 2017

@doxiemoxie212, TW ...when I got pregnant with my son, I had a big temp dipped in 3dpo, spotting on day 5 and 6, and BFP on day 7.

millpe · June 2017

Hey guys! I have a question that may or may not be related to TTC. I don't know if anyone knows but you guys are all so smart I thought I would give it a try

I wear a Fitbit and my resting HR is down to 51. This seams low and I'm worried it could be related to my thyroid since I also struggle with weight recently. Any ideas and or suggestions?

Edited because my phone is dumb and posted early.

LazyCrane · June 2017

@MrsMiller8588, have you double checked it with a watch? One of the reasons I quit using a fit bit as a HR monitor was because it was often way off.

adirat · June 2017

@MrsMille8588 I agree with @lazycrane -- I've heard they are notoriously low on HR. Have you reviewed the list of other hypothyroid symptoms to see if anything else fits? I had a lot of muscle tenderness, hair fall (especially my eyebrows, which shortened considerably), brittle nails, constant cold feeling. If multiple symptoms seem to fit then it's worth asking your doctor about, but I wouldn't worry about just HR and weight gain.

millpe · June 2017

@LazyCrane and @adirat Thanks guys! I have checked it and it seems pretty accurate for me. I also checked my patient portal to see what it was last time I was in for my physical and it was 53 then too. Maybe something I will ask about and my next physical, but I don't want borrow trouble if it's nothing to be overly considered about.

dukestar5 · June 2017

@lbeach5885 --the past few cycles, I test 2x a day (OPKs) as ovulation approaches. I try to space the tests at least 8 hours apart...for example, I will test at 12pm and again at 10pm so that I don't miss the surge. I used the wofondos and found them difficult to read. (I used them on a practice month and could not truly identify my O date with them). I've had better luck with the Clear Blue Digital (not the advanced that does flashing smiles, but just the basic digital one with a static smiley face). The digital ones are more expensive, but if you have an idea of when you ovulate, then you will only use them 2-3 days a cycle.

purplepelican · June 2017

Question: Does anyone take supplements to improve CM, and if so, what do you take? My RE hasn't mentioned anything except Pre-seed, but I'd like to try to improve my nonexistent CM (I've seen literally 3 days of CM in 8 months) in addition to that.

pebbledam · June 2017

@beanship - Many of us take evening primrose oil before O, but you should stop taking it once O is confirmed because it causes uterine contractions. I have noticed an uptick in EWCM since taking it.

Others drink green tea, but I don't know as much about that.

purplepelican · June 2017

@pebbledam Thanks!!!! I haven't O'd since November (f*** PCOS) so at this point that's not a problem. But hopefully I'll O when I start my medicated cycles, so I'll definitely follow your advice. After 8 months of losing weight and Metformin with no result, I'm ready to Try All The Things, so I'll look into the green tea too.

[Deleted User] · June 2017

Be sure to talk to your doctor about EPO @beanship my doctor was hesitant bc I guess it can be so strong? idk. I nver took EPO. I took fertileCM and drank lots of tea/green tea and fertilitea blend. But regular green tea and staying hydrated is great, plus not to overdo the vitamin C during fw, since that can be drying.

How could I forget --
MUCINEX the blue one I think that's just guafenesin or robitussen, same deal. You only want the one drug in there that gets the mucus moving tho, no cough suppressant lol

adirat · June 2017

@beanship Like @pebbledam mentioned, green tea is a good option -- I have found that it increases my CM, though I can't say for sure it's the green tea or just being more hydrated. I definitely see a connection between hydration and CM! Ask your doctor before starting supplements like evening primrose oil since you have PCOS...I know my doctor has said before that many of those hormone-related supplements aren't great in combination with PCOS/endometriosis/etc. or the treatments.

Something you can avoid is vitamin C during FW -- it can dry up your CM. I don't take any vitamin C-containing supplements during FW and I try not to eat too many citrus fruits (though I don't avoid vitamin C-containing foods entirely).

adirat · June 2017

@BusinessWife Looks like we cross-posted. Great info girl! I forgot about Mucinex. I have actually never taken that but I know some ladies have had success with Mucinex here @beanship

Just make sure to stop because I don't think Mucinex is pregnancy-safe.

pebbledam · June 2017

@adirat and @BusinessWife made me remember - If you can, also avoid antihistamines during FW since that has a drying effect, too!

adirat · June 2017

@pebbledam Oh that's right! Thanks for the reminder...that was something I was happy to forget while pregnant because I get such bad seasonal allergies but I guess it's back to it...Sorry zyrtec...

pebbledam · June 2017

@adirat - I'm so miserable for about 9 months out of the year that I can't stop taking them. I just chug the water and take EPO (but I don't have PCOS, so I'm glad you were able to add that info).

purplepelican · June 2017

Thank you @BusinessWife and @adirat !! I'll call and leave a message with my RE about the evening primrose oil - definitely don't want to do anything to make my already ridiculous hormones even worse. But at least I can get started with some Mucinex and green tea since those can't hurt. And I definitely need to up my fluid intake and eliminate caffeine (since I know from experience that it dehydrates me). Sigh. I WILL resist the coffee this morning. I WILL.

adirat · June 2017

@beanship I hope it works! I really find that subbing coffee with green tea still gives me a little warm caffeinated pick-me-up but is SO much less drying.

@pebbledam I know what you mean. We started TTC last June (ouch) and I took claritin or zyrtec all summer because that's a prime time for my allergies. I only stopped taking them when it had been a while with no bfp, but then I only stopped during FW, definitely not during AF or TWW... I didn't grow up here so my body freaks out with all the New York plants!

doxiemoxie212 · June 2017

What dose of EPO are y'all taking? My vegan Omega 369 has EPO as part of it... but I don't think it's a very high dose? ETA tags: @pebbledam @Sailing_Mama

garnetandgoldgrace · June 2017

So I posted about the fallback temp a couple days ago and now I have another dip. Are all these dips bad news?
My chart just looks crazy to me but somehow I got crosshairs on FF and natural cycles agrees.

doxiemoxie212 · June 2017

@garnetandgoldgrace could be an implantation dip? Or could be you didn't actually O? It looks like you did though. I don't know what causes that it not implantation but I know there are plenty of charts that look like implantation dips and are not...

doula-mama · June 2017

@beanship You got some great information from @pebbledam @adirat and @BusinessWife - but just to chime in my experience as well... Like you, I have PCOS. I felt like my CM was varied (some months I had plenty, other times it was fairly scant), so I started taking EPO. After I started taking it, my cycles became less stable (I'm sitting here on Prometrium now, hoping to end this one). My naturopath said that for some women, it doesn't affect their cycle at all, but if your cycle is at all 'delicate' it can be enough to through things off balance. Now I'm sticking to green tea (or at least will be once I'm back on track with a new cycle)

purplepelican · June 2017

Thank you so much @Sailing_Mama! Based on what you all have told me, I think I've decided to start out with the green tea for now just to be safe. I definitely don't want to do anything to mess with my cycle right before my first medicated cycle. And I'm going to stay away from citrus fruits too, since that can't hurt either.

petethecat · June 2017

doxiemoxie212 said:

@garnetandgoldgrace could be an implantation dip? Or could be you didn't actually O? It looks like you did though. I don't know what causes that it not implantation but I know there are plenty of charts that look like implantation dips and are not...

A luteal phase dip can either be from the corpus luteum slowing down progesterone production and then that progesterone production being taken over by an implanting egg (implantation dip in pg) or from another estrogen surge around the same time (which just happens to some women). This is why the dip can be seen in both pregnant and non pregnant cycles. @garnetandgoldgrace I wouldn't look too hard at your chart for good or bad news just yet. The only thing to do is keep temping and then, if you want, start peeing on things in a few days to know for sure. FWIW, I do think you Od on those CHs. Secondarily, I want to applaud your commitment to all the sex. Because, I mean damn, that's a lot of sex. FX for you.

garnetandgoldgrace · June 2017

@doxiemoxie212 -- Oh man I really hope I O'd. the only way we can tell is if I have a spike tomorrow, right?

@kbamomma33- Thanks for all that info. When I did my research (google) I couldn't find anything on implantation dips with fallback... I guess I could put the key words in right because it HAS to happen. I wish I wasn't already paying for NC because then I could use the "charts like yours" feature in FF.
HAHA... as for the sex....yeaaaa..... he made this "sex every day for a month pact..." but you can see I started to realize this cycle was going to be long so we had to put the brakes on that. Still squeezed in a good amount of sex but damn, I was worried for my vagina. ha #yeastinfectionfears

doxiemoxie212 · June 2017

Ok question - do women with long LPs tend to have later BFPs? Or does FF just recommend missing a period so you're not wasting tests?

@vflux33 and I were curious about this in TWW for somewhat different reasons.

For me, TW when I was KU with my loss, I turned negative tests until 16dpo, but that would mean super late implantation right? In retrospect I was using digitals at the time so it could've just been that.

Baskcally, though, generally speaking, is a BFN at 14dpo probably a true BFN for everyone, regardless of LP, if you're using pink dye tests?

vflux33 · June 2017

Dovetailing off @doxiemoxie212, my question was do people with longer LPs actually have later implantation? I thought the answer to this was no, but I've seen a bunch of people say things making me think this could be a thing "I have x day LPs so I don't test till DPO 14", etc. and I didn't know whether these folks were doing that just to not POAS as much or if there was a legit connection there.

doxiemoxie212 · June 2017

@vflux33 yes you've phrased this better lol

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