September 2015 Moms

Are we creating a terrible habit?

I'm getting worried that we're creating a bad going to bed habit with our LO.
DS is 11 months old. At bedtime (around 7pm) we take a bath, get into a onsie and sleep sack, then read a book in the living room. Then LO and either DH or I go to our "big bed" and have a bottle. Then lay down with a pacifier and go to sleep, still in the big bed. LO usually falls asleep in 5 to 45 minutes after getting his paci. Once he's deep asleep (as signified by his paci falling out of his mouth) we move him to his bed.
He sleeps all night (until 7am) in his bed about 5 out of 7 nights per week. When he wakes up he usually plays in his bed for a little while before crying for us.

He falls asleep in our bed flat on his back with no blankets. DH or I will lay next to him in bed, but we don't snuggle or hold him while he's falling asleep. We just keep him from sitting up and trying to crawl around.

As of now, this system is working for us, but I'm worried that it's not necessarily something we can keep up with. We just can't get LO to calm down without laying with him in the bed. I feel like we should be putting him to bed awake in his bed by himself.

Should I just wait to worry about it when it becomes a problem? Or should we practice a new going to bed routine now?

Re: Are we creating a terrible habit?

  • From what I hear, this is a pretty hard habit to break.  And it's just so important to have your own space for your marriage's sake.

    Start a new routine where you do everything the same, but just put him in his own bed.  You or DH will probably still need to lay down with him for the first week while he falls asleep, then wean him off of that.

    It's definitely not too late to change a bedtime routine but I wouldn't let it go on much longer.
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    George (3)

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  • I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with a family bed. I know lots of people with great marriages that have a family bed. We had a family bed aka co sleep all night because it's the only way that I could actually get sleep. The only reason it quit working for us is because I'm not sleeping anymore! LO flips and flops all night. Gone are the days where LO stays in the same spot. If I could transfer my LO like you and LO slept all night, well that would be the miracle I'm looking for! haha 
  • Also wanted to add when a friend found out we were a family bed she made a really rude statement saying "well unlike you, I like my husband too much for co sleeping". I let her know quick it had nothing to do with my husband and I not liking each other's company?! Weird assumption. We believe it had made us closer, actually. Those are some of our sweetest times/memories. 
  • I think it just depends on what you specifically are comfortable with.  I also don't think there is anything wrong with a family bed.  It just doesn't work for my family.  DH and I like to stay up a little later and so we like the kids in their own beds, easily at bedtime (how else would we watch TWD or GoT?!).  I know plenty of people who make it work for them.  I will say I would imagine that this type of thing gets more difficult as you add more kids to the picture.  It's hard to lay in bed with one until he falls asleep when you have another baby to get to bed and Dad is out of the house for some reason.  I have no issue with bed-sharing but it isn't considered safe to share with a toddler and an infant in the same bed so that could potentially be a big transition if you plan to have other children soon. My husband is gone at least 2 nights a week during bed time hours so it would probably become an issue for me personally.  I also think it can be difficult to have a sitter come over for date night if she is expected to lay in your bed with LO. One of my families did this and it did make me feel a little uncomfortable when I was a nanny.  

    STing can be more difficult in a certain window IMO.  When you have a baby or toddler that is older but too young to understand change they can become very resistant.  However, once you get to a certain age you will be able to better explain why things are changing and what your expectations are etc.  I believe my 3 year old would be capable of something like that but of course there is also boundary pushing at that age so it may not necessarily be easy then either. 

    I think that as long as you and your husband are comfortable with the arrangement there is no problem with continuing but it never hurts to be aware of certain complications that could possibly come up and form a plan of how you will deal with them should you find it necessary.  

    TLDR: I don't think it is a bad habit as long as it works for you guys but it may lead to new developments in the future. 
  • I think your LO will out grow the need at some point and if this is working for you right now, go with it! We are co-sleepers and sometimes I wonder if I will ever get my bed back too. I am sure there are some babes that sleep in the parent's bed until they are five and that is what everyone warns you about but I don't think that is the usual way it goes. Once you meet / talk to experienced co-sleeping moms, you find that their LOs transition out of the bed at some point and in different ways but usually before 2 years old. Some just happen to place their babies in the crib / toddler bed and it just happens or they "nudge" until it happens. So when it no longer works, maybe it will be time to nudge.

    If your LO is anything like mine there is no amount of sleep training or routines that would get him to happily sleep in a crib all night. I think some babies can go down in a crib no problem and others not so much. They are all so very different.

    @lovelee85 I came across a blog that I was reminded of when you said your friend made that comment. It was something like "answers she really would like to give about co-sleeping / attachment parenting instead of being polite." When people would  say something about marriage / sex life being negatively impacted, her real response would be not at all, infact we just had amazing sex in your guest bathroom while you were watching our kids. I don't remember the whole thing but it got the point across that you don't need a bed to have a great marraige or sex life. Anyway get creative with your answers! :)
  • I do that too. It works fine for us. Where did this massive pressure come from that children have to learn to sleep by themselves? Think..who does it benefit. Only the parents as far as I can see. From everything I've read, children do not have the emotional capability to fall asleep by themselves/self soothe to sleep. So if it works by having your baby fall asleep next to you and then move to the cot...do it! I had my baby to cuddle and love...not shove in a cot to cry itself to sleep just so that I can have an hour extra to myself in the evening. Tell your friend to shhhhhh.

    #rantover
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  • EMS I think it benefits the child too. Self soothing and independence? My little one won't fall asleep with me anymore at home and we co slept til he started rolling and crawling. He actually rolled off the bed :-( After that it was the pnp in our room for a few months but as soon as we moved him to his crib he was falling asleep on his own without any crying at all. He's always been a good sleeper though.  I think you have to do what works for you and your child. I do think if the OP's little one is fine in the crib all night and in the morning then it wouldn't be bad to start putting him down in his own bed. But again that's up to Mom and Dad :-) 
    Missed Miscarriage 3/27 D&C 3/29/2012
  • @ems028 I meant to click the love button and I accidentally hit report! I am sorry! I am trying to figure out how to unreport.  I agree that there is a lot of outside pressure. Sleeping separately is the social norm now so you get criticized. 
  • Thanks for all the responses!

    Like I mentioned, we don't sleep together. It is not a family bed. DS sleeps in his own bed all night and through the night most of the time. Plus, DH and I do get an hour or two to ourselves after we move LO over to his crib.

    However, it does make me concerned about having a babysitter put him to sleep or when he stays with his grandparents over night. But for some reason, he does take naps on his own at daycare and sleeps really well for the grandparents when they babysit.  Maybe he just goes down better for people that aren't DH and I? 

    Sometimes I think he doesn't want to sleep when we're around because he misses us so much during the day :(
  • ElleMF728 said:
    ems028 said:
    I do that too. It works fine for us. Where did this massive pressure come from that children have to learn to sleep by themselves? Think..who does it benefit. Only the parents as far as I can see. From everything I've read, children do not have the emotional capability to fall asleep by themselves/self soothe to sleep. So if it works by having your baby fall asleep next to you and then move to the cot...do it! I had my baby to cuddle and love...not shove in a cot to cry itself to sleep just so that I can have an hour extra to myself in the evening. Tell your friend to shhhhhh.

    #rantover
    This is just as judgmental as the friend's comment in the OP.  Different things work for different people. It isn't selfish for someone to want an hour to themselves or with their husbands when the kids go to bed at night.  I personally, need that time in order to continue to be patient and understanding with my kids during the day.  Self care is important and that means different things to all of us.
    I 100% agree Elle. Not to mention we need to keep our sanity and if he were joined to my hip and I had no me time I'd go out of my mind! 
    Missed Miscarriage 3/27 D&C 3/29/2012
  • I still get time with my husband. After I've helped my baby go to sleep..she sleeps from 7pm onwards.  

    It's not judgemental to dislike CIO when it has been proven that babies aren't able to self soothe.
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  • I'm just going to say it. I don't think anyone likes or enjoys CIO. I tried CIO a few times and it just didn't work for our family. I found non CIO methods that are working great for us. I also dislike CIO but would never say harsh words about parents who go this way. 
  • EMS I am sorry but you sound very judgemental. Please tell me where it has been proven babies can't self soothe? If they don't learn it now then when?  And why assume that anyone who doesnt have baby fall asleep on them is letting baby CIO. My son has never CIO, but since the day his crib was put together he has slept in there and gone to bed awake every night. When he wakes in the middle of the night there might be fussing for a minute but he puts himself back to sleep. And in the morning he plays in his crib then starts fussing after about 20-30 minutes. 

    Missed Miscarriage 3/27 D&C 3/29/2012
  • ems028ems028 member
    edited September 2016
    I'm not against parents who let their baby fuss for a little bit then sleep. Just those that let their baby cry it out. 

    I do believe that there is too much pressure from everywhere nowadays which tells us that babies need to be taught to fall asleep by themselves. This in itself goes against what is natural for a baby, and is only so that the baby will fit into modern society so the parents can go and do other things.

    The only reason I was so harsh (but not too harsh) is because the OP felt a little like I did when I was wondering if cuddling my baby to.sleep can be harmful.for the baby. Isn't it sad that in this fast-paced modern life, mothers are being made (by society) to feel bad for doing what just comes naturally...cuddling their baby to sleep.

    If I sound judgemental for trying to tell the OP that it's ok to cuddle her baby, then so be it.

    But she had someone say some rubbish to her like "well unlike you, I like my husband too much for co sleeping" too much for co sleeping"..come on guys..just because she cuddles the baby to sleep.

    How is it that the most natural thing to do has become the unnatural thing to do. That's not right!
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  • I would be so lucky if I could put my child to sleep and sleeps through the night. I say keep doing it if it works for your family. You could always switch it up when you feel its becoming a problem for you.
  • mrsmctaggart6mrsmctaggart6 member
    edited September 2016
    Honestly my DD sleeps awesome for anyone but me, if I'm around she will scream herself hoarse until I snuggle her, if her dad puts her down she could care less...
    eta I do have to be sneaky the rest of the night though, if she sees, hears or smells me its all over...
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