December 2015 Moms

My mom wants to see the baby... but currently we aren't talking...

My mother and I are in a fight.

Well, sort of. I didn't want to fight with her, I wanted to have a rational, adult conversation about how her romantic relationships affect her young, impressionable children (my brothers and sisters). However, my opinions were discarded and she walked out of the discussion before we could get into the meaty parts. Since then, she has deflected blaming my aunt for "putting thoughts in my head" or "turning (me) against (her)". She believes that I am attacking her and that I should be silent and support her even when I think she is wrong.

Finally, in an attempt to end the barrage of angry text messages, I told her that when she was ready to finish the discussion in person we could speak, but until then, there was no reason for us to be in contact. This afternoon, she texts me asking if she can take my son out next Monday because she has off work. She knows from Facebook that my MIL is often dropping by our house and taking Odie for outings and has even had him overnight once. Because of this I know, saying no will cause another wave of animosity....

I feel that as long as she and I are not on the same page and she refuses to talk through this issue like an adult, then she doesn't deserve access to my son, especially not without me present. My hubby is a great sounding board for these things, but he is done helping me make the final decision on it. I guess I need a little validation.

The short version of the reasons we are in a fight is that in the five years she and my father have been divorced, she has had 3 boyfriends. The last two made themselves a big part of my siblings lives (going to sporting events, buying birthday and Christmas presents) but then things turn sour and they break up, which leads to these men very abruptly leaving these kids lives. Now she is with this third guy and she made it clear that she would not introduce him to the family until he was ready to commit to her, but "things changed". She brought him to meet my siblings for the first time DURING my grandmother's birthday dinner, which she had not even REALLY invited my little family or her sister to attend.

ugh, i dont need this right now!
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Re: My mom wants to see the baby... but currently we aren't talking...

  • How old are your siblings? Not that it makes a difference in her relationship with your son necessarily, but are they old enough to understand mom's relationships or not? 

    Also, TBH, 3 boyfriends in 5 years doesn't sound excessive or anything. How can you truly know if you want to be with someone really long term if you keep a large chunk of your life away from them?

    Do you have concerns about your child's safety or well-being with your mom, or are you just trying to give "tough love?"

    Not necessarily defending her, just offering some 3rd party perspective.
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    Would a quick text back saying something along the lines of "Great! LO would love that! I'm looking forward to finishing our discussion before you go" work?  This would put the ball in her court by telling her that she is welcome, while reminding her that you meant what you said and haven't forgotten about it. GL!


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  • I wasn't speaking with my father when DS was born. Very different circumstance but I had explained why I wasn't speaking with him and what needed to happen for me to speak with him. It wasn't made anything against him buy something I needed. He didn't see DS until he was 4 months old but it did eventually happen and was on good terms.

    You've made your conditions and better or worse need to stick to them.

    Honestly, I don't see 3 men in 5 years as excessive either and how she handles it can make a big difference. BUT it sounds like a lot of it is that it causes stress you can't deal with and if that's the case, let that be the focus. You can talk to her about it when things calm down and once that happens you can explore her relationship with your son. This is just my opinion based on what I've read here.
  • You're your kids mom and you decide when she can see your child. If you aren't comfortable until you finish your convo, then so be it. It doesn't mean she has to agree with you, but you can at least discuss and get on good terms again before you're comfortable leaving your baby with her. That is perfectly reasonable.
  • She is just a very different mom to my younger sibs (6 and 12) than she was to me. They don't see her nearly as much because she works, then when she is not working she goes out to bars to listen to bands and is on dates with her boyfriend. Which is not a problem, she has every right to go out and do things for herself, but it leads to her relying on my grandmother to do everything for her sons. I have had both of my brother's come to me telling me that they wanted her to just be around more. They think she takes them to do things and its cool, but they would much rather just have her hanging out around the house with most nights, then having her go out. My dad is emotionally absent, so I feel that it will be a few more years before my brother's realize that they can't look for a father figure in my mom's boyfriends. (I am not hating on these guys, but my mom has a type.)
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  • My MIL has never met her nearly 2 year old granddaughter, because my SIL holds issues against her. Bottom line, people can be shitty, but to avoid being shitty back, I would let her see her grandchild. She's not abusive, just not involved enough. But if she wants to be involved, don't let her and your LO miss out. That's just my opinion tho. Mainly cuz I have to deal with the grief of a grandma while my SIL is happy as a clam.
  • My MIL has never met her nearly 2 year old granddaughter, because my SIL holds issues against her. Bottom line, people can be shitty, but to avoid being shitty back, I would let her see her grandchild. She's not abusive, just not involved enough. But if she wants to be involved, don't let her and your LO miss out. That's just my opinion tho. Mainly cuz I have to deal with the grief of a grandma while my SIL is happy as a clam.
    I see this with my dad. My brother hasn't talked to him in years and never bothered telling him why. He now has a one month old our father will most likely never see. I don't send my dad pictures but I show then to him when he's here so he can at least see what his grandson looks like. It's the choice my brother made. I'm glad we were able to work through our issues and he's now in my children's life and currently a huge part of it, but my father and brother still have a lot to work through. The sad thing is that the way my brother has done it there isn't an opening for that to happen.

    So maybe the best thing would be for OP to try reaching out and talking. It's what I did with my father and part of why we were able to mend things.
  • I think you have a right to mend or talk the situation out before she babysits or sees your daughter. Of course if you feel comfortable with that. It is okay to not want negative people in your life. It is not your responsability to always be the bigger person if it affects your tranquillity. 
  • So I tried talking to her, but she is completely unresponsive. In her opinion, I am not allowed to voice anything that I don't like and I need to support her silently no matter what. When I try to express how disrespectful this statement is to me as her daughter, my siblings' older sister, my child's mother, and an adult in general she shuts down. I told her that we cannot have a healthy relationship if those are her stipulations and that when she is ready to have an open conversation I will engage but until then, I have nothing else to say to her.

    It has been nearly a week now and we have not spoken. This is not even that long for us and it has taken alot of pressure off of me to know that the ball is in her court. 

    Though I did have to tell my aunt(who watches Odie during the day) that my mom (her sister) is not allowed inside our house if she were to show up while my husband and I are at work, since she mentioned possibly wanting to drop by the house sometime this week before we went temporary no contact.
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  • Sorry you are going through this. It's hard to not have the relationship you'd like with your parent.
    my father has borderline personality disorder & we didn't speak for years. He doesn't see it as a problem & chooses to not get treatment. After my son was born I did rekindle a relationship with him but it is purely superficial for my sons benefit. He does not watch my kids, he is never alone with them & we do not have a father-daughter relationship really. It's too bad but it is what it is. He sees the kids like 2x a month & it works better this way.
  • @blended10 My dad is also a Cluster B person. I think that being married to him for the 15 years that she was took a toll on what my mom deems as acceptable behavior. He and I have been no contact since the beginning of my pregnancy and neither of us have any desire to make the relationship work, because it won't.

    My mother on the other hand, may end up similar to your father's. I mean before he was here we only saw each other every few months for a dinner where she'd jabber on about her life for 45 mins and we'd leave without one question about what was going on in my life. I am sure that will be the same with Odie. Only she'll ask one question then go on a tangent in which she is delused to believe that she is offering me some kind of insight.

    At this point I am already over it. Odie is extremely well loved by his other grandparents and I have enough support around me that the dwindle of our relationship won't make a huge difference to my life. It's just kind of a bummer.
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  • It is a bummer. It's disappointing. Some days are better than others. Sorry you've been dealt a shitty hand. :(
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