April 2016 Moms

Labor and alternative pain relief

So DH and I had the delivery course yesterday with one of the midwives at the healthcare center I am part of (in English so DH had a chance of understanding what she was saying even though her English was horrible and we were helping her find the words half the time)

I was quite surprised at the fact that the amount of women in Malmö (the city I live in) who go for an epidural is around or less than 10 %. Prior to this course I was pretty sure I would end up with one, even though I'd try to avoid it. It's giving me renewed faith that I can actually do it without an epidural, like I was planning initially. I decided I will be using laughing gas instead for the contraction pain. DH agrees that this would probably be the best for me so I finally feel good that I have a birth plan, although I know anything can happen. 

She mentioned some other new technique that I had never heard of before called the wasp sting, which is basically 7 tiny injections of sterile water under the skin. The idea is that the pain feels like being stung by a wasp and lasts 30 seconds. The brain will be distracted with the new pain and release endorphins which will help the labor pain instead. She praised the method highly and several times and mentioned it's becoming one of the most popular methods in Sweden for pain relief. Has any of you ever heard of it and would you recommend if? 


    

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  • Haven't heard of any of these but that's very interesting. Looking forward to what other ladies have to say. 
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  • I'm in Canada and haven't heart of the wasp sting! We do have the laughing gas here which I tried while I was laboring with DS. I personally ended up preferring not using it, simply because I didn't like something on my face, as I was very sensitive to touch during labor. I'm happy you have renewed faith that you can do it. I do think women totally can do this, but there are situations that truly make it harder or impossible to do so, of course.
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  • The whole idea of creating pain elsewhere to relieve contrax pain is a valid one. If they say their epi rate is that low, they must be doing something right. I don't have a high pain tolerance, but after going the epi route with my first two deliveries and not having great experiences, I opted for no epi with #3. After 2 hrs of transition, and past the point of an epi, I requested pain meds through my IV. It got me through the rest of transition. My OB has also had patients use an acupuncturist during l&d, which would be appealing to me if I could find someone who was willing to do it.
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  • @thaisac1 Thank you for your insight, I'll make sure to talk to my midwife about it on Monday and ask her  :)

    My main concern with the epidural is the risk of dealing with headaches afterwards as it happened to a few of my friends here. I was also told by several midwives that adding an epidural usually prolongs the pushing stage as you can't feel the pushes well enough. I guess practice here is different as they do not encourage the woman to go for the epidural and will suggest other methods first before discussing an epidural. I feel confident in being able to do it on my own, and will try out the alternative pain relief methods mid stage as you suggested just in case it becomes unbearable and I change my mind. :) 

    @MrsZko
    The laughing gas offered here is a tube you hold so it doesn't sit on your face. I would have found that annoying as well haha. I totally agree that in some situations an epidural is the best option. If labor is progressing slowly and going on forever and the woman is getting exhausted there's no sense in not going for an epidural because by the time she has to push she would not have the energy to do so I imagine. 




        

  • Haven't heard of the wasp sting, but I am definitely jealous of your ability to use laughing gas for pain relief. It isn't as commonly practiced in the US, probably because insurance companies don't make as much money off of it, but my friend from England told me about it and felt so so so sorry for me when I told her that's not really a thing here. 

    As as far as the other pain method goes it makes sense as far as a distraction method goes, but just like having an IV during birth it would annoy me too much and distract me from chilling out I think. I'm pretty good at focusing through intense pain, and moving past it on my own, but when I've been in, errr, "situations" where I should be focusing on something being inflicted that's largely painful, I couldn't get past stupid things like my feet itching, or something pinching. I'm usually the weirdo who doesn't take any medication during my periods or when I have mild injuries too though, so my opinion may not apply to how you would feel.
  • CCLow87CCLow87 member
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    I've never heard of it! Sounds interesting though! My doula last time gave me a comb to squeeze in my hand, which has a similar result. (You concentrate on the sharp parts of the comb digging into your hand and not the contraction) BUT I will tell you that 1) it's not that bad (labor) and 2) you absolutely can do it but it takes support. There will come a dark time where you question if you can do it or not, and by that time, you're actually almost there! Another bonus... You're less likely to tear without an epi. So yay for non ripped lady parts!

    By the way, where do you live?!! And epidural rate of 10% is phenomenal!! 

    ETA: do you know what the local csection rate is? I'm just being curious now!

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  • @Knottie9983816 The UK is pretty similar to Sweden in its approach to epidural is my feeling (after watching a few episodes of One Born Every Minute) and offers laughing gas instead. It sucks that you guys can't have it! I've heard great things about it from friends who went for it. The wasp sting one is very recent so I haven't really met any women so far who's tried it, but the midwives here swear by it apparently. 

    @CCLow87 I live in Sweden :) yeah it surprised me a lot when I asked about it! My impression was that a much higher number of women used it. 
    As for support I have full confidence that DH will be an amazing teammate and remind me of why it's important to me. I am so terrified of tearing and I fear if I can't feel my pushes that I won't be able to control it, which is another reason why I really wanna go without an epidural. 

    After the course yesterday I'm no longer scared of labor; I feel prepared and ready for it, I'm more scared of the responsibility of caring for a newborn baby that now has to rely on me :D 


        

  • DH and I (and baby!!) are going to Sweden this summer! I'm so excited!

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  • CCLow87 said:
    DH and I (and baby!!) are going to Sweden this summer! I'm so excited!
    Oh that sounds exciting! where will you be going! :smiley: 


        

  • I have never heard of either option you mentioned, but I am very curious about the inhalation of the gas and how it works for labor. Since I have only witnessed t being used for like dental procedures ( patient falls asleep), ear tubes (patient falls asleep), lumbar punctures ( patient falls asleep). If it works so well in Sweden I wish we (US) would offer it here!
  • @Brandi81012 I know midwives here use it (laughing gas) so I'd assume some hospitals do to!! I'd ask of it's something you are interested in. 

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  • The whole idea of creating pain elsewhere to relieve contrax pain is a valid one. If they say their epi rate is that low, they must be doing something right. I don't have a high pain tolerance, but after going the epi route with my first two deliveries and not having great experiences, I opted for no epi with #3. After 2 hrs of transition, and past the point of an epi, I requested pain meds through my IV. It got me through the rest of transition. My OB has also had patients use an acupuncturist during l&d, which would be appealing to me if I could find someone who was willing to do it.
    Yes, this is the whole principle behind acupuncture.
  • thaisac1 said:
    The whole idea of creating pain elsewhere to relieve contrax pain is a valid one. If they say their epi rate is that low, they must be doing something right. I don't have a high pain tolerance, but after going the epi route with my first two deliveries and not having great experiences, I opted for no epi with #3. After 2 hrs of transition, and past the point of an epi, I requested pain meds through my IV. It got me through the rest of transition. My OB has also had patients use an acupuncturist during l&d, which would be appealing to me if I could find someone who was willing to do it.
    Yes, this is the whole principle behind acupuncture.
    I'm a FTM but I love acupuncture. I've been doing it for about 5 years now as needed for many reasons. It has definitely helped me with pain management without meds. 
  • Is laughing gas the same as nitrous oxide? A friend of mine used nitrous oxide and she became really frustrated with it due to having to time her contractions. 

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  • @kielpinskim did not see your response somehow! I've never used acupuncture before so I was very sceptical when she mentioned the wasp stings, but I am intrigued to give it a try as the pain would only last 30 seconds, which I am sure I can handle. and yeah, they must be doing something right :D 

    @CCLow87 not sure about the rate of c-sections as she didn't even talk about it or mention it, so forgot to ask, but I can try asking next time! 

    @Brandi81012 Not exactly sure, the way she described it was that the gas would start working 20-30 seconds after inhaling it so you would time it with the contractions and then stop again when the pain starts subsiding. 

    @St0v3s yes it is, so far I don't mind timing the use of it with my contraction but I might feel differently about it afterwards :D 


        

  • "Where does my mother recommend giving birth? Your best bet, she says, is Sweden, which has homey hospitals, midwife attendants and happy mothers." I just read this in an article and thought you'd enjoy seeing it!

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  • CCLow87 said:
    "Where does my mother recommend giving birth? Your best bet, she says, is Sweden, which has homey hospitals, midwife attendants and happy mothers." I just read this in an article and thought you'd enjoy seeing it!
    I was initially bummed that I wouldn't give birth in Denmark, but now I'm really looking forward to it! The midwives who took care of me after the gallbladder surgery were amazing so I feel very good about it! :smiley: 


        

  • I'm actually intrigued by the laughing gas. I'm planning to go med free, hoping, and will be asking whether it's an option at our re-tour of the hospital with DD1 this week. And packing a comb @CCLow87 ;)
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  • My dad is a family doctor who has delivered thousands of babies and learned a lot of natural labor techniques along the way. He just told me about the sterile water injections yesterday. He said it is a great way to manage labor pain, especially back labor. It lasts about 90 minutes after the wasp sting sensation subsides. Super interesting! I wish my hospital used laughing gas, that seems like a great option too.
  • I've heard great things about TENS machines for alternative pain relief from contractions. I've only heard of them from my UK mom friends. Surprisingly I've got one; one of many random purchases from living in China. I used it for at home massage and it's got a very strange sensation, like mini electric shocks. I've only ever used it on a low setting cause its too intense. I could imagine finding relief from contractions by amping it up to its maximum setting. 
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  • redselig said:
    I've heard great things about TENS machines for alternative pain relief from contractions. I've only heard of them from my UK mom friends. Surprisingly I've got one; one of many random purchases from living in China. I used it for at home massage and it's got a very strange sensation, like mini electric shocks. I've only ever used it on a low setting cause its too intense. I could imagine finding relief from contractions by amping it up to its maximum setting. 
    Oh yes, TENS! Forgot about it, she praised it several times as well (she really sold the natural delivery well) which is offered at the hospitals here too. I was unsure of how it would work but I am inclined to try it out as well if I run out of options! 

    @LArunnergal
    Yes, she mentioned it was especially good when you're having back labor pain, and offers relief for a while after the sensation has worn off. It's so interesting and I think I'll definitely go this way for the delivery. Almost looking forward to it in a weird sadistic way. :D 





        

  • fbanke42 said:
    I've heard of the laughing gas, but not the injections. Sounds interesting.

    I went without pain meds with DS and plan on doing it again. I think the biggest motivator for NOT getting the epi when I was at the worst pain level was DH asking me if I was ready to give up yet. Challenge accepted, and challenge won. I should have bet money on it. Darn it.
    Yep, totally telling DH to do this with me. I love a challenge.
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  • @CCLow87 speaking of tearing, if your midwife or doula can do it, perennial massage also prevents tearing. If the laborimg mother can do it herself she can too.


  • I'm actually intrigued by the laughing gas. I'm planning to go med free, hoping, and will be asking whether it's an option at our re-tour of the hospital with DD1 this week. And packing a comb @CCLow87 ;)

    Okay! Apparently there are special acupressure combs for this! A regular comb may work, not sure what my doula had, but I figured I'd let you know they sell different ones with this purpose in mind. Google acupressure combs or reflexology combs. :)

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  • Just read this from Scary Mommy...weird alternative but I guess it makes sense? 

    https://www.scarymommy.com/mom-angela-gallo-masturbated-during-labor/?utm_source=FB
  • @Knottie2891384 I'm planning on using those techniques during labor. Helps immensely with period cramps, and with headaches, so I was going to try it anyway, then I started seeing that it's an actual thing, albeit not a very commonly discussed one.
  • My friend used the "wasp sting" method about 12 years ago (I'm in Canada).  She said that it made a big difference.  
  • Just read this from Scary Mommy...weird alternative but I guess it makes sense? 

    https://www.scarymommy.com/mom-angela-gallo-masturbated-during-labor/?utm_source=FB
    Makes sense, yes. My husband would definitely have a heart attack if I even suggested this one. What a prude ;) 
  • Just read this from Scary Mommy...weird alternative but I guess it makes sense? 

    https://www.scarymommy.com/mom-angela-gallo-masturbated-during-labor/?utm_source=FB
    Makes sense, yes. My husband would definitely have a heart attack if I even suggested this one. What a prude ;) 
    Have you told him how the baby gets in there yet? ;)
  • I used a lot of deep breathing and had a lot of support from DH, he found the rhythm that my contractions took and was able to time how many breaths it took to get through one and he counted down the breaths. I also read this book, which helped me during pushing: 
  • I live in tel aviv, and we were told the epi rate here is 80%! 
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