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Semi-Long MIL Rant...MIL in Competition with Mom it seems...

I am really really sorry if it seems like all I do is post about my MIL or ask for MIL stories but this is the area of this pregnancy that has been the most stressful so far. I've already posted about major problems I've had with her and they just seem to keep coming. Moreso, it seems like she is starting to be competitive with my mom.

Let me start by saying, my mom and I have had a turbulent relationship for years and it wasn't until I got pregnant that we've become closer than we've ever been. MIL on the other hand, she and I were very close when we first met. I was over there all the time with BF and things were great until I got pregnant then all hell broke loose and I haven't spoken to her since November.

FFW to Christmas. BF and I just got our own place, we are extremely stressed out because we had a lot of things to figure out at once so holiday plans were the last thing on our minds. His mom text him to ask what the Christmas plan was and he told her he didn't know because we were trying to figure out what my family was doing so we could divide the days. He accidentally referred to my mom as "Mom" when he meant to put "Lexi's Mom." Cue Shitstorm. She sent him a couple pages of text saying how hurt she was that she was being excluded and how he treats his family as an afterthought and the holidays are so hard without him, even though she's seen him for every single one since he moved out. She then signed off the text, "The Other Mom." Talk about guilt trips.

So they talked at Christmas and she said the same thing, that she feels excluded because we'd been spending so much time with my mom, despite it being her fault that I want nothing to do with her seeing how much drama she's caused in such a short amount of time. We got into a fight, he eventually came around and FFW to now. We still haven't spoken, his mother and I, and last night BF and I were talking about visitors and who would help with the baby etc. My mom lives down the street whereas his mom lives on the other side of town about 30-50 minutes away. He was fine with my mom helping and whatnot but made the comment, "You know, if my mom sees your mom posting a bunch of pictures with the baby she's going to get butthurt, right?" I told him that I'm not going to restrict my mom to make MIL happy and he agrees. I asked him how he would handle it, or how would we handle that happening and he says he doesn't know, which kind of pissed me off tbh. I understand that he's in the middle but I wish he would stand up to his mom more and stop letting her steamroll him with guilt trips.  

I feel like she's trying to shove my mom out and I feel like BF is going to not know how to keep that from happening. She flips out that BF accidentally called my mom, "Mom" but months ago, she put her name in my phone as "Momma *Name*" and tagged me in a post meant for her children AND has hinted several times that I call her Mom. I feel like she thinks she is the only one who can be a mother to both me and BF and it's really pissing me off. I'm tired of feeling guilty for someone else acting like a total ass but then wanting to whine about how her feelings are hurt and she's left out. I just feel that if you want to be included in things, don't start shit and cause tension that makes people not want to be around you. And I hate how I feel like if I do need help, I can't ask my mom because MIL will get offended. If I wanna take the baby to see my mom? Forget it. Unless I go see MIL right after. And I'm not opposed to the baby seeing MIL, I just don't want my mom cut out and I don't want to deal with this woman thinking that she is my mother, and that she is more important to my child.

Does anyone else have to deal with this tug of war bullshit?


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    I remember when you first posted about your MIL...she was the one who dropped the rescue dog off at your (or your mom's place, I can't remember) and insisted she take him, right? Ugh...she sounds like she is constant drama.  I'm so sorry you have to deal with this.  With all her insecurities and competitive issues, she sounds like she should be in therapy. :(

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    with my first daughter my MIL expected that whenever we brought the baby to see my mom, a friend of ours or anyone really that we had to bring the baby to go see her immediately after. We had to shut her down on that one. She has since upset me so many times that I've basically cut her out of everything that has to do with me and my children. When we told her we were pregnant the first time she got huffy because no one "consulted her beforehand" because you know I should have ASKED before I had sex with her son. This time around she told us she hoped the big sister shirt was a joke because we're too poor to put our daughter in nice clothes. I let her find out through a third party on fb that we are having another girl. I know cutting your MIL out of your life might not be an option for you but it made my life so much less stressful. Good luck momma.
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    With Christmas, does your family have to work around more schedules or something?  This probably isn't the intention, but I can see why she is hurt when your family's plans come before her.  

    Are you spending a lot more time with your mom?  How does she know that?  Stop telling her or posting about it if that's how she finds out.  

    It doesn't have to be either his mom or your mom.  There is room for compromise and balance.  This is where the boundaries come in that were mentioned in an older MIL/mom post.  Just because the baby sees your MIL, that doesn't mean your mom is cut out or that MIL is more important.  Having two grandmas that love your child is a blessing.  Your MIL might do things differently but that doesn't always make them wrong.  

    I struggled with my relationship with my MIL at first because we are different people who do things differently.  We both had to learn that and communicate clearly so assumptions weren't being made that caused hurt feelings that weren't always true.  It's a work in progress but it gets better with time. 
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    I say see your mom as often as needed, just don't post it on social media and don't talk about it around her.

    It sounds like everyone needs to sit down and have a little talk about expectations and how she shouldn't get her feelings hurt about such little things and that you are all a family now and need to support each other. Good luck!
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    Im so sorry you are dealing with this. Sounds like your MIL is making this whole pregnancy about her - she's acting like you are taking away her son, causing drama during what should be the happiest time of your life. If she wasn't being difficult, you would see her more. Its definitely her issue, not yours. Stick to your guns, if you give in to her childish and selfish behavior now, you are setting the precedent for the rest of your life. Trust me, i made that mistake and dealt with too much from my MIL over the last 12 years allowing the guilt trips on my husband and now its out of control and shes totally ruined her relationship with her son and me, shes not even invited up to stay with us after the babies come (which he agrees with). You have the opportunity to stop this habit now, remember that you are right in this so dont feel pressured. You are allowed to spend time with your mom, she should be happy for you that you are in a good place with your mom, and dont censure your mom's Facebook page - this is a really happy moment for her and she is the one acting as a future grandma should!!

    Btw, im glad you posted this - you are not alone with the MIL drama. Im sure i will be posting soon enough about my MIL again!

    Good luck with everything and keep us posted!
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    edited January 2016
    With Christmas, does your family have to work around more schedules or something?  This probably isn't the intention, but I can see why she is hurt when your family's plans come before her.  

    Are you spending a lot more time with your mom?  How does she know that?  Stop telling her or posting about it if that's how she finds out.  

    It doesn't have to be either his mom or your mom.  There is room for compromise and balance.  This is where the boundaries come in that were mentioned in an older MIL/mom post.  Just because the baby sees your MIL, that doesn't mean your mom is cut out or that MIL is more important.  Having two grandmas that love your child is a blessing.  Your MIL might do things differently but that doesn't always make them wrong.  

    I struggled with my relationship with my MIL at first because we are different people who do things differently.  We both had to learn that and communicate clearly so assumptions weren't being made that caused hurt feelings that weren't always true.  It's a work in progress but it gets better with time. 

    With Christmas, everyone was kind of scattered around so we needed to see who was doing what before making a decision. It wasn't so much that my family came before her as much as we were trying to see how we could split the day up between the two families and involve everyone. Why would she be hurt because we were trying to include everyone's family and not just hers?

    I was spending more time with my mom because I still lived with her at the time. I have since moved out and only see my mom when she picks me up/drops me off for work.

    Yes this grandbaby is hers just as much as my moms, but it seems to be her who thinks my mom shouldn't even be involved. My mom has no issue with her at all, but it's MIL who throws a fit any time we do ANYTHING with my mom. She was like that even before the major issues happened.


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    I know your saying she's acting this way because she feels left out but she had been. It's her grandchild as much as its your mothers. You said you were close and she was there for you when you didn't speak to your mom and now your buddy buddy with your mom and not speaking to her. I'm not saying she's never done anything wrong, I'm just saying you're definitely favoriting your mom and completely leaving her out. I could go on and on but you seem to have your mind made up


    Alright, let me clarify: She is NOT left out because I'm randomly being a bitch or #teammommy. It is NOT a matter of, "Oh hey, me and Mom are cool again so GTFO MIL." As soon as my mom and I started patching up our relationship, I was still close with MIL. However, I noticed that when I started spending time with my mom again and it wasn't all about MIL anymore, she started being snarky and disrespectful to my mom.

    She HAS been left out, for now, because she's proven she doesn't know how to act on more than one occasion. I was close to her, because she had told me she had issues with her mother as well when she was my age. So I was more looking for guidance and advice, not someone who tells me, "If you ever need to get away from your mom, I have an extra bedroom." Or someone who tells my mom that she must not be as excited because she already has grandchildren.

    I don't feel my mom should be punished when she's been nothing but supportive during the pregnancy, whereas MIL has stepped out of line several times before the incident mentioned in the OP. Like showing up to my mom's apartment uninvited with my BF's pitbull and saying, "Either take him or I'm just going to let him go." She knew we couldn't take him but dropped him off anyway because she was pissed at my BF. When my mom told her she wasn't happy about that, MIL shrugged and goes, "Yeah I know. Sorry." And leaves. She had already been making snarky comments prior to that, but that moment was when I lost a lot of respect for her which is when I really started to distance myself from her. Especially since she STILL has yet to apologize for any of it. So yes, while it may piss her off and seem unfair, I am favoring my mom because during such a stressful and hectic time, she's more positive and helpful, rather than confrontational and likely to throw a tantrum at the slightest thing that doesn't go her way. Yes, my mom and I had our problems, however since finding out about the baby, and since I've moved out, we've never been better. As opposed to MIL who has been a problem nonstop. Also, my mom has NEVER disrespected my MIL or had any bad feeling toward her until she made those U/S comments and did the thing with the dog.


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    1. Relax with your caps and your attitude. You asked a question, you got an answer that wasn't in line with your preconceived notions. Grow up.
    2. I never said your mom should be punished, or even mentioned anything close to it.
    3. From an outside perspective you seem to be the one who has problems with everyone and everything. Your mom, your mother in law and now me and probably anyone else who doesn't "yes man" you.
    4. Lastly, all this shit is petty. Does your MIL sound annoying? Yes. Does that mean you should cut her out from your grandchild's life as well as your husbands? Hell no. It sounds like a bunch of catty women going back and forth. Life is too short and there are actually real life problems going on. If this is the source of your "stressful and hectic" time than your a lot damn luckier than most. I for one and jealous you even have a mother in law around to annoy you. I cared for mine while 9 months pregnant and was with her when she suffocated slowly and died from ALS just missing the birth of her first grandchild. Was she needy and annoying at times with me and my husband? Yes of course! She's a mother in law! Most are. She cried and told my husband he couldn't marry me because she needed him to come home and live with her and take care of her (this was 5 years before she even got ALS) and proceeded to be mad at me for an entire year just for marrying him! Guess what? We laugh about it now. She loved him so much and didn't know another way to cope at the time. Looking back on it, it's all small shit. Don't let loosing her teach you what really matters and mostly don't take it out on your children by depriving them of people who love them.
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    1. Relax with your caps and your attitude. You asked a question, you got an answer that wasn't in line with your preconceived notions. Grow up. 2. I never said your mom should be punished, or even mentioned anything close to it. 3. From an outside perspective you seem to be the one who has problems with everyone and everything. Your mom, your mother in law and now me and probably anyone else who doesn't "yes man" you. 4. Lastly, all this shit is petty. Does your MIL sound annoying? Yes. Does that mean you should cut her out from your grandchild's life as well as your husbands? Hell no. It sounds like a bunch of catty women going back and forth. Life is too short and there are actually real life problems going on. If this is the source of your "stressful and hectic" time than your a lot damn luckier than most. I for one and jealous you even have a mother in law around to annoy you. I cared for mine while 9 months pregnant and was with her when she suffocated slowly and died from ALS just missing the birth of her first grandchild. Was she needy and annoying at times with me and my husband? Yes of course! She's a mother in law! Most are. She cried and told my husband he couldn't marry me because she needed him to come home and live with her and take care of her (this was 5 years before she even got ALS) and proceeded to be mad at me for an entire year just for marrying him! Guess what? We laugh about it now. She loved him so much and didn't know another way to cope at the time. Looking back on it, it's all small shit. Don't let loosing her teach you what really matters and mostly don't take it out on your children by depriving them of people who love them.
    1. Caps were for emphasis, not attitude. I don't need to be told to grow up when all I'm doing is talking sooo maybe you should relax. And your response was also the bitchiest one I've gotten so far which is why I'm responding the way I am.
    2. Yes, it is petty. Yes, it is annoying. Yes, I'm annoyed and hormonal. But to be put in a position where I feel I can't have my mom around without hurting someone else's feelings despite the fact that it's my own mother, is ridiculous. It's not about people who don't "yes man" me and that's a pretty broad assumption to make, honestly. It's about my mom and I not doing anything to deserve how she's been and treating her accordingly. You seem more hostile than I do, to be honest lol
    3. Your experience with your MIL doesn't dictate how mine should be with mine. I'm sorry and that's horrible you went through that, however, that's not my problem or anything close to it. I'm not going to accept being disrespected and having someone cause drama for the sake of maybe laughing about it later. Don't apply your biased experience to a place where it has absolutely no bearing.
    4. And when did I mention cutting her out of my BF's life? I actually encourage him to see her and am pretty much leaving it up to him to keep her in the loop.
    5. Also, :"stressful and hectic." Lol you have no idea what's going on in my life so for you to put that in quotes is highly condescending. I'm sorry that my problems don't fit your criteria of what qualifies something as being stressful but that doesn't mean I don't know what the real world or real problems are.


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    I'm so sorry this is going on... Talk about stress you don't need!!

    I'm a real hardass about this kind of stuff. My mother in law has effected my life through advice she has given DH in the past, but never to my face. we did go through years of her calling every friggin day!! Holy bananas woman, your son is a grown man.

    That being said... Are you able to have a woman to woman talk with her? Discuss how you are feeling, how she is acting, and how to solve it.

    Now really is time to start setting boundaries for yourself, your relationship, your kids, and acting in a way you would want your kids to see (this is a big one for me right now)

    If she doesn't get it you don't have to take her crap.

    I would also say to remain as respectful as possible when discussing this with BF. He needs to know but you attacking his mom may make him want to stand up for her and can cause more tension.

    Wishing you good luck!! Take this head on :)
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    edited January 2016

    Certain responses? How about constructive ones? How about ones that suggest resolution as opposed to, "Get over it, my problems are bigger than yours?" And really? Name calling? But I'm the one with the attitude lol


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    I can't even with you. It's like talking to a wall. Good luck
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    With Christmas, does your family have to work around more schedules or something?  This probably isn't the intention, but I can see why she is hurt when your family's plans come before her.  

    Are you spending a lot more time with your mom?  How does she know that?  Stop telling her or posting about it if that's how she finds out.  

    It doesn't have to be either his mom or your mom.  There is room for compromise and balance.  This is where the boundaries come in that were mentioned in an older MIL/mom post.  Just because the baby sees your MIL, that doesn't mean your mom is cut out or that MIL is more important.  Having two grandmas that love your child is a blessing.  Your MIL might do things differently but that doesn't always make them wrong.  

    I struggled with my relationship with my MIL at first because we are different people who do things differently.  We both had to learn that and communicate clearly so assumptions weren't being made that caused hurt feelings that weren't always true.  It's a work in progress but it gets better with time. 



    With Christmas, everyone was kind of scattered around so we needed to see who was doing what before making a decision. It wasn't so much that my family came before her as much as we were trying to see how we could split the day up between the two families and involve everyone. Why would she be hurt because we were trying to include everyone's family and not just hers?

    I was spending more time with my mom because I still lived with her at the time. I have since moved out and only see my mom when she picks me up/drops me off for work.

    Yes this grandbaby is hers just as much as my moms, but it seems to be her who thinks my mom shouldn't even be involved. My mom has no issue with her at all, but it's MIL who throws a fit any time we do ANYTHING with my mom. She was like that even before the major issues happened.

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    I get that with Christmas and planning but looking at it from her side, it could appear like you were trying to prioritize your family's plans. I'm not sure how things were actually communicated. Maybe for some holidays, you could make plans with her first and then your family works around those plans?

    I think a lot of things could be improved with better communication by everyone. There is a lot of jumping from a fight to overreactions like dropping the dog off or talking about cutting people out.

    One of the best sayings I have ever heard is something along the lines of "you can't control how others act, only how you react." I repeat that to myself a lot when dealing with people that handle things differently.
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    @huskerfanz I see where you're coming from... it's just frustrating and it feels like there's a lot of pressure to keep everyone happy you know? Maybe after things have settled down and when things aren't as tense, we'll try talking. I just hope it doesn't become a repetitive issue with boundaries as the pregnancy progresses.


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    My parents live RIGHT next door to us and my ILs live an hour away. MIL can't drive herself and FIL doesn't like to leave the house much. She's a nice lady but had major trouble letting go of DH when we got married (former mama's boy) and especially when we started having kids 4 years ago. My mom helps out all the time with babysitting etc. I just don't see a point in driving an hour to her house for her to babysit and then driving an hour to the city to go out on a 'date'. Waste of time. When we got married and had kids we decided that we wanted to start our own traditions for holidays with our kids and we told her we are not bringing the kids to 3-4 different get togethers. She still thinks DH is 12 and needs to hang out with his cousins which are all a lot older than him. We would rather have a holiday with our kids' first cousins and aunt/uncle & MIL/FIL instead of extended family (2nd-3rd cousins, etc.). too many schedules to coordinate. It takes time for the mothers to let go, I think. They get jealous very easily. Doesn't mean the kids don't love them as much. Really you guys just need to put your foot down and tell her your plans and how you are going to handle holidays, etc. then stick with it. The first year DH's mom cried when we told her we weren't going to all the events so far away every other day during our days off. We told her our plan and explained it. She was better this year. I've learned that we have to do what is best for our family and they need to understand that.  
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    @Huskerfanz I say that to myself too! :smiley:
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    Idk the whole story, but from what you've posted, it doesn't seem like she's trying to compete with your mother or exclude her. Idk what you've said about your mother to her either, but if it was bad, she may remember that. From some of the stuff it seems as though she's being but childish, but I think that not speaking to her won't solve anything. I would talk to her, woman to woman and see what is really bothering her and if you 2 could work things out. Your mil isn't going anywhere, so you may as well work things out now. Set limits and let her know if she's pushing or violating them. That's my advice at least.
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    Not one of us knows the whole story, but based on OPs previous story about MIL dropping the dog off when she was pissed at her son made many people angry. She said she was just going to let the poor dog go! MIL created her own mess by being an asshole, and that's why she's being left out. OP has no obligation to appease her MIL when her MIL doesn't care to appease her, it's a two way street. 

    Maybe OP should give her one more chance, but MIL sounds like a person who creates a lot of drama when she doesn't get her way. If OP doesn't want to deal with her right now, that is her choice. She isn't saying she won't let the MIL see her grandbaby, but sometimes things are not equal.

    My parents live 1.5 hours away, not too far but we don't see them as much as my in laws because in laws live in the next town over. My mom might get jealous that my MIL might see my baby more than her, but it's a geographical problem not a personal one. 



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    mar101483 Thank you. I know I will talk to her at some point, I just know right now, I'm too "overemotional" to really handle it right now. I guess we'll see what happens.

    huskypuppy14  Thank you for understanding where I was coming from. You know what they say, "Some people create their own storms and then get upset when it rains." Also, MIL lives on the other side of town too so BF and I talked about making a schedule to make sure no one gets left out. Hopefully that helps diffuse some of the drama.


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    Blerg. What a crappy position your MIL has put you in. I know I've extended my sympathies to you before, and I do so again. Shamefully, this reinforces how glad (told you it is shameful) that both my MIL (a sick woman who let her son get daily beatings from her drug-addict husband) and my FIL (AKA the abusive drug addict) are dead. Before my husband broke off contact with them, she was unbearable in much the same fashion as your MIL.

    I can only imagine the unecessary drama and problems my MIL would have created with my pregnancy, esp since this would be her one and only grandchild since she absolutely destroyed her twin daughters by making them crippled co-dependents, both 39 year old high school dropouts that never left mom and dad, got married, had kids, or even serious long term relationships with anyone but addict loses just like daddy. Just glad my husband was raised until he was 6 by his normal grandparents, it's the only reason he's not a loser too.
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    I mean I can see how she was hurt with the " Mom" comment, I probably would have been too, but she needs to get control of herself.  It also wouldn't hurt if you guys can get together and how a calm, little pow wow.  Maybe she felt used because she was the mother figure and then that changed when you made up with your own mother.  Now that doesn't make her feelings right, but it could be that is how she feels.  MAybe she is very excited about the baby, but is a bit panicked about not being in the baby's life.  Again, doesn't mean that there is any reason for her fears, but it could be how she is feeling right now.  Once, her feelings are out, you can calmly tell her about your own fears.  Fears about her causing a rift in your relationship.  Fears about being unnecessarily stressed out during this point of the pregnancy.  You could also tell her how you are having trouble trusting her after the dog incident.  Hopefully you both can come to an agreement where you are both happy as I pray this is just a misunderstanding and fear driven dramatics.

    Also, to help her feel included maybe you could put her in charge of something you care nothing about.  For example, maybe you can say  " MIL, can you help find a soft blanket for the baby's first pictures ? " or " MIL, can you help us find a cute teddy bear for the baby's first pictures ? " or " MIL, can you find some cigars for the guys to smoke when the baby is born" or " MIL, can you make your famous ______ for our first day home with the baby ?"  Hopefully, these small gestures will help her feel included and special and help her calm down a bit.
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