May 2016 Moms

Unpaid maternity leave

I am due in May with my first. Needless to say I'm scared of everything and I'm a worrier. I work for a small but family friendly business. Or so I thought. They basically laughed when I announced my pregnancy and asked them about our maternity policy. It is unpaid. How have others dealt with this situation and how have they saved? Did you cut your time short with your new baby because of money? I am looking into whether or not we have short term disability but I highly doubt it. Advice and tips would be greatly appreciated. I am educated and make a fair wage but we are tight and concerned.

Re: Unpaid maternity leave

  • With my company, you are able to use all of your PTO and then it is unpaid. This is not uncommon in America (unfortunately). We are budgeting and saving as much as possible every month so we can pay off hospital bills and are saving enough so my income is covered during the maternity leave. My suggestion would be to sit down and budget and figure out if you can save enough to take however long you wanted to take off for maternity leave.
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  • I think unpaid maternity leave is pretty common in the US unfortunately. In CA, you can apply for short term disability and it should be about 55% of your pay I believe. 
  • The company I work for doesn't offer paid maternity leave either but we can use our sick time and vacation days. Under FMLA, my job is protected for up to 12 weeks. I'll have about 9 weeks saved in paid time off but I haven't decided how much time I'll be taking yet.
    I'm not sure what we would do if I had no paid time off, it would definitely be tight.
    I think starting to look at your budget now and cutting things that you don't actually need is a place to start.
    Good luck!!
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  • kbrands7kbrands7 member
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    Yep. It seems unpaid is pretty standard in US. In my school district, I can take up to 6 weeks of my sick days (I only have three weeks saved because we didn't want to have to wait 3-4 years between kids). After that, it's unpaid and I don't teach summer school. We've been saving for around 3 months of no pay for me (plus I'll have to pay out of pocket for my insurance contributions that normally come out of my paycheck for the 4 weeks between when my sick days will run out and the school year ends). I have Aflac and will likely get about the amount of two paychecks which will help.

    Last time, we made two months of freezer meals to offset the cost of groceries while I wasn't working--and to save time with a newborn.
  • I got short term disability from work. US mat leave sucks for sure.
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  • Someone mentioned hospital bills...what does it cost to have a kid in America with and without insurance? I'm just curious what the full term OB costs are and the hospital bill. Thanks in advance
  • Kurrant said:

    Someone mentioned hospital bills...what does it cost to have a kid in America with and without insurance? I'm just curious what the full term OB costs are and the hospital bill. Thanks in advance

    I think it varies widely. I believe the bill from my last pregnancy was between $8-$10k, but I have really good insurance that paid 100%.
  • With insurance, my CS with my first was still over $2000 out of pocket. Doctor bill, hospital bill, anesthesiologist bill, baby's care bill, etc.



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  • Our insurance SUCKS and we're looking at paying an estimated $6200, not including ultrasounds, labs, or any other testing the Dr wants me to do.  Luckily we'll be able to switch our insurance to a slightly better plan in February, so hopefully it will save us a grand or two.

    As for maternity leave, I'm a contract social worker for our courts so I'm technically self employed.  So I don't get paid maternity leave or even any sick/vacation time.  Luckily I have a great supervisor and coworkers who are willing to cover my clients so I'm hoping to take off 8 weeks and then come back part time for a month, or at least be able to flex my schedule so that I'm only face to face with clients 2.5-3 days of the week and my MIL will hopefully watch the baby while I'm at work.  I've also considered asking my supervisor if I can do data entry from home for maybe 5 hours a week so there is a portion of my income coming in still.  In the meantime, we're just budgeting and trying to save a lot so that we're covered for the two months or so that I'll be off work.

  • This is a long post so I won't be offended if you want to skip it but I thought I'd share my experience with you...

    I'm technically still on maternity leave with my 26 month old. Unpaid of course. At my job (I work for the local city government) we get up to 4 years maternity leave. Up to the first year you get your exact positron back. After that and up to four years you still have a job with the same title and pay but you may be placed into a different department.

    I used up all of my pto/sick/vacation days within the first four months of my maternity leave. My insurance coverage ended after 3 months with an option for cobra coverage but I just switched over to my husband's insurance.

    I originally put in for a six month leave, then a year until the hr lady advised me to just take the four years and if I want to come back early just let them know.

    What I didn't expect was how much I love being a stay at home mom. It's the hardest most exhausting job I've ever had but I love it.

    Day care is insanely expensive where I live and we're not in the "nanny bracket". We don't have any family here so we don't have that as an option either. Basically I would've been paying someone my take home salary to watch my son so we decided it would be better if I stayed at home for four years until preschool starts.

    Financially it's been challenging. We've definitely made a big dent in our savings the past 2 years and (as I'm the more frivolous spender of the two of us) I've definitely learned not only to live with less but to try to really stick to a budget. But what's helped me is knowing it's all for a good cause. I wouldn't trade these last couple of years staying home with my son for anything. I've had the best time and I'm grateful everyday that I'm able to do this.
  • I'm new to my job so I'm only eligible for 60 days unpaid. But since I'm a teacher and we have 12 month contracts when I go on leave in mid April I'll get my April, May, June, July, and August paycheck with just 48 days (roughly) taken out. Plus I'm lucky cuz I'm really paying 48 days but getting four months off with my baby. Right now I'm saving as much extra as I can and since I didn't work last year we plan on getting a sizable tax return we plan to put in savings.
  • JoMunson said:

    I'm new to my job so I'm only eligible for 60 days unpaid. But since I'm a teacher and we have 12 month contracts when I go on leave in mid April I'll get my April, May, June, July, and August paycheck with just 48 days (roughly) taken out. Plus I'm lucky cuz I'm really paying 48 days but getting four months off with my baby. Right now I'm saving as much extra as I can and since I didn't work last year we plan on getting a sizable tax return we plan to put in savings.

    12 month contracts are great. My school does 10 month contracts, and shifts pay dates so that rather than getting paid for our August weeks Sept. 1st, we get paid on the 15th--thus pushing the pay schedule back by two weeks for the whole year. In terms of salary, those taking end of year leaves get cheated out of a paycheck. Our union has been "fighting" this for years with no headway. But, I'm thankful that I'll be able to be home with this baby for 15 weeks between leave time and the summer, even though it means tightening our budget further. And I have insurance that I'd never be able to afford if the school didn't subsidize part of the monthly payment as benefits. So, I guess I'll count my blessings.
  • I will have to use all my personal/sick days (27 saved up) which will cover me through the end of the school year if the baby's on time & there aren't many snow days.
    After that I have short term disability that will kick in For about 60% pay. At that time I may have to pay back the part of monthly insurance that work usually pays but I'm switching to my husbands insurance in Jan to avoid that loss.
    We are saving wherever possible, planning to buy most baby gear used or on clearance, and I worry about money a lot. We've set aside a portion of savins to cover delivery too. We are buying a house next spring/summer so between that, adding daycare in Aug, & baby expenses it is scary money-wise!
  • kbrands7 said:

    Kurrant said:

    Someone mentioned hospital bills...what does it cost to have a kid in America with and without insurance? I'm just curious what the full term OB costs are and the hospital bill. Thanks in advance

    I think it varies widely. I believe the bill from my last pregnancy was between $8-$10k, but I have really good insurance that paid 100%.
    This is about the same as where I am as well. At the birthing center I use it would be about $8000 for me and then $1500 for the baby if I did not have insurance. But bc I do it's $3100 for everything. This covers all of my appointments and the birth. Then also bc I will be meeting my deductible for the year I will not have to pay for any prescriptions or medical care the rest of the year bc I have a high deductible plan. On the website for my insurance I can look up the cost of what it would be without my insurance... Let's just say I am VERY glad I have it.
  • dsmith211 said:
    Someone mentioned hospital bills...what does it cost to have a kid in America with and without insurance? I'm just curious what the full term OB costs are and the hospital bill. Thanks in advance
    I think it varies widely. I believe the bill from my last pregnancy was between $8-$10k, but I have really good insurance that paid 100%.
    This is about the same as where I am as well. At the birthing center I use it would be about $8000 for me and then $1500 for the baby if I did not have insurance. But bc I do it's $3100 for everything. This covers all of my appointments and the birth. Then also bc I will be meeting my deductible for the year I will not have to pay for any prescriptions or medical care the rest of the year bc I have a high deductible plan. On the website for my insurance I can look up the cost of what it would be without my insurance... Let's just say I am VERY glad I have it.
    Your insurance covers a birthing center?! So jealous! We are trying to get ours to cover it, but even if they do, it'll be a tiny amount (less than 1/3 of the total cost). The one we like is way less expensive than a hospital, so I don't know why they won't cover it. 
  • I have no paid maternity leave. :( I'm a pretty aggressive saver though, and now I'm saving an additional 1/8 of each paycheck per month, so I'll just use that as my income during my time off.

    And thanks to this thread I was inspired to investigate my current health insurance situation and change my plan to something WAY better for baby-having!

  • dsmith211 said:

    kbrands7 said:

    Kurrant said:

    Someone mentioned hospital bills...what does it cost to have a kid in America with and without insurance? I'm just curious what the full term OB costs are and the hospital bill. Thanks in advance

    I think it varies widely. I believe the bill from my last pregnancy was between $8-$10k, but I have really good insurance that paid 100%.
    This is about the same as where I am as well. At the birthing center I use it would be about $8000 for me and then $1500 for the baby if I did not have insurance. But bc I do it's $3100 for everything. This covers all of my appointments and the birth. Then also bc I will be meeting my deductible for the year I will not have to pay for any prescriptions or medical care the rest of the year bc I have a high deductible plan. On the website for my insurance I can look up the cost of what it would be without my insurance... Let's just say I am VERY glad I have it.

    Your insurance covers a birthing center?! So jealous! We are trying to get ours to cover it, but even if they do, it'll be a tiny amount (less than 1/3 of the total cost). The one we like is way less expensive than a hospital, so I don't know why they won't cover it. 

    Honestly I was surprised too. It may have to do with the fact it's considered nationally accredited (it's actually the only one like that in the state I think). They also have a pretty good relationship with the local hospital the next city over. It was literally the only one we found that did cover anything. We have a bunch in the area closer to us and none of the others had affiliations with insurance companies so it would have been significantly more expensive. We actually ended up liking this one best of all the others anyway so we definitely lucked out.
  • And side note, I just called Kaiser (my provider), and they gave me the following costs for the average deliveries:

    c-section: $11,900
    OR
    vag birth: $8,400

    PLUS

    average of 4 day stay: $4,560

    PLUS

    baby costs: $2,280

    Apparently baby needs its own insurance as soon as it comes out! This sounds super obvious but I hadn't thought about any of this yet. Luckily I was able to switch to a plan that's $35 more/month than my current one, but has no deductible and a flat $900 cost for delivery and stay. My old plan give me delivery/stay for $1500 deductible PLUS 30%, so would be costing me thousands more. So happy I looked into this. Celebrating with leftover Halloween candy.
  • Pascal86 said:

    And side note, I just called Kaiser (my provider), and they gave me the following costs for the average deliveries:


    c-section: $11,900
    OR
    vag birth: $8,400

    PLUS

    average of 4 day stay: $4,560

    PLUS

    baby costs: $2,280

    Apparently baby needs its own insurance as soon as it comes out! This sounds super obvious but I hadn't thought about any of this yet. Luckily I was able to switch to a plan that's $35 more/month than my current one, but has no deductible and a flat $900 cost for delivery and stay. My old plan give me delivery/stay for $1500 deductible PLUS 30%, so would be costing me thousands more. So happy I looked into this. Celebrating with leftover Halloween candy.
    For many providers (at least in US) there's a month grace period where the baby uses your insurance while you add the child to your insurance plan. If you ask for an itemized bill, they provide one for you and one for the baby, but often the baby is covered under you initially.
  • Pascal86 said:

    And side note, I just called Kaiser (my provider), and they gave me the following costs for the average deliveries:


    c-section: $11,900
    OR
    vag birth: $8,400

    PLUS

    average of 4 day stay: $4,560

    PLUS

    baby costs: $2,280

    Apparently baby needs its own insurance as soon as it comes out! This sounds super obvious but I hadn't thought about any of this yet. Luckily I was able to switch to a plan that's $35 more/month than my current one, but has no deductible and a flat $900 cost for delivery and stay. My old plan give me delivery/stay for $1500 deductible PLUS 30%, so would be costing me thousands more. So happy I looked into this. Celebrating with leftover Halloween candy.
    My insurance has a grace period for the baby but DH already let HR know the expected due date and such and that we will be adding the baby to his plan. So once everything is all set it will be quick to add them in. I think a grace period is pretty standard bc to get the baby signed up on their own they need a SSN and stuff and that takes a few days. So long as you or your husband have insurance, facilities are cool with waiting a little bit. Where I'm going they're charging me the insured rate for baby ahead of time and if they don't end up getting added to the insurance I'll get an extra bill later.
  • kbrands7 said:

    Pascal86 said:

    And side note, I just called Kaiser (my provider), and they gave me the following costs for the average deliveries:


    c-section: $11,900
    OR
    vag birth: $8,400

    PLUS

    average of 4 day stay: $4,560

    PLUS

    baby costs: $2,280

    Apparently baby needs its own insurance as soon as it comes out! This sounds super obvious but I hadn't thought about any of this yet. Luckily I was able to switch to a plan that's $35 more/month than my current one, but has no deductible and a flat $900 cost for delivery and stay. My old plan give me delivery/stay for $1500 deductible PLUS 30%, so would be costing me thousands more. So happy I looked into this. Celebrating with leftover Halloween candy.
    For many providers (at least in US) there's a month grace period where the baby uses your insurance while you add the child to your insurance plan. If you ask for an itemized bill, they provide one for you and one for the baby, but often the baby is covered under you initially.
    I don't know about other states, but in Oregon you have 30 days and if you don't put your baby on insurance after that they automatically go on OHP- our state healthcare plan.
  • Same here- I work for the city and basically I can use whatever vacation time I have available, when that's exhausted, I can use 12 weeks of FMLA which is unpaid, but I get to keep my health insurance. If I want to take any additional leave, it will be unpaid and I my health insurance will cease. It's a pretty crappy situation- the last thing I want to do is have to go back to work when my son is like 4 months old.
  • Okay, I know it's not like the instant they come out they need to have their own insurance policy, just didn't realize I couldn't lump all of the baby stuff onto my own insurance - I think I actually have 60 days, but from day one the costs go on the baby's insurance and not mine. Which again, makes sense, since it's a separate person, just hadn't thought about that yet.
  • For any non-US folks asking questions, what makes billing even more complicated is that the hospital doesn't have a one size fits all charge for all patients. It really depends on your health insurance. The hospital/doctor and health insurance company actually negotiate how much the services should cost, believe it or not. I've gotten bills where the hospital billed my insurance for x amount, but then there's a negotiated amount, and then my copay or whatever I owe is calculated off of the negotiated amount. The negotiated amount can be hundreds if not thousands of dollars less.

    I went to grad school for public policy, and I find health policy super interesting. One of my biggest frustrations is when they talk about "affordable healthcare" in the US, the conversation is around how to give everyone access. No one wants to talk about the root issue - why is it so expensive in the first place? The New York Times had a great piece on this several months ago and had an example where a person went in for surgery. There was one doctor that operated on the patient. The hospital, however, billed the insurance company saying that there were two doctors which bumped up the price. The person/patient noticed this on their insurance statement and actually called their insurance company and asked about it which leads to a large investigation about hospital billing fraud. People want to instantly villainize the insurance companies (and they are evil), but let's not forget the hospitals. Gone are the days of your small town doctor since they could no longer afford their own insurance and overhead and were sucked up by mega-hospitals. These are businesses and money making entities. It's one big mess.
  • missnc77 said:

    I went to grad school for public policy, and I find health policy super interesting. One of my biggest frustrations is when they talk about "affordable healthcare" in the US, the conversation is around how to give everyone access. No one wants to talk about the root issue - why is it so expensive in the first place? The New York Times had a great piece on this several months ago and had an example where a person went in for surgery. There was one doctor that operated on the patient. The hospital, however, billed the insurance company saying that there were two doctors which bumped up the price. The person/patient noticed this on their insurance statement and actually called their insurance company and asked about it which leads to a large investigation about hospital billing fraud. People want to instantly villainize the insurance companies (and they are evil), but let's not forget the hospitals. Gone are the days of your small town doctor since they could no longer afford their own insurance and overhead and were sucked up by mega-hospitals. These are businesses and money making entities. It's one big mess.
    THIS. I can be a little conspiracy-theory-nutty, but I have no doubt that so much of healthcare is a giant scam. One more reason why I'm going the birthing-center route.....

    @missnc77, since it's an interest of yours, do you have any recommended resources on health policy? I'm starting to get pretty interested in it (since it's been a total nightmare for me, ha). 
  • I will use my PTO (sick, vacation, floating holidays) then I will get short term disability at 60% of my reg. pay for 6wks. Then it'll be back to work! I could extend it on FMLA unpaid, but not sure I will. 
  • @TheThornBird - Nothing specific. I just look for newspaper articles and scholarly articles. The NYTimes is really good enough this stuff though. They did another article within the last year on how awful Military Hospitals are, but they stay open because state politicians don't want to lose the jobs.

    You can play around and search different articles.

    https://query.nytimes.com/search/sitesearch/?action=click&region=Masthead&pgtype=SectionFront&module=SearchSubmit&contentCollection=health&t=qry884#/hospital+insurance/
  • unpaid mat leave here in CA. I can use vacation/sick leave to recieve a full paycheck, so I have been hoarding and saving my time.
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    edited November 2015
    I also work for a tiny business that isn't even covered by FMLA.
    I should qualify for short-term disability, but even if I didn't, I'm saving extra now to basically make up my salary for those 2 months.
    I am only taking 8 weeks off.

    ETA: first 2 weeks will be from my vacation. 6 weeks unpaid.
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  • If you know of any health issues your baby (hopefully will not have), call your insurance company and discuss it before birth. Just to make them aware that additional claims will be coming and to make sure that the hospital is in-network. DD had a heart condition and thanks to my DH's awesome insurance the only bill we got was for her deductible. Without insurance her costs would have been $150,000!
  • Pascal86 said:

    Okay, I know it's not like the instant they come out they need to have their own insurance policy, just didn't realize I couldn't lump all of the baby stuff onto my own insurance - I think I actually have 60 days, but from day one the costs go on the baby's insurance and not mine. Which again, makes sense, since it's a separate person, just hadn't thought about that yet.

    Make sure you check w/ your HR- mine gives 30 days, which I believe is standard.

    Ladies, if you get the option, you might want to consider an HDHP (high deductible) plan w/ HSA. For a family, my premium is only $160 per month and once the deductible of $4,000 is met (can be met by one or a combination of multiple family members, unlike PPO), 100% of all additional fees are covered by insurance for the remainder of the year. I'll save well over $10,000 between premium and deductible when compared to my company's PPO plan offering.
  • I'm lucky enough to have great insurance, so I'll be paying zero dollars for prenatal appointments (including ultrasounds, blood tests, etc.) and hopefully zero dollars for an uneventful birth and stay at the hospital birthing center. If it ends up being a complicated birth and I need an emergency C-section or something, then that could get pricey, but hopefully it won't come to that for way more obvious reasons!

    My job offers 4 weeks of paid maternity leave. After that you have to use accumulated sick leave (up to a maximum of 8 weeks) or vacation time. I have way more accrued sick time than I'm allowed to use -- I could take four and a half months of straight sick time if that were permitted -- so I'll be using the full 8 weeks. That's 12 weeks of leave at full pay before I have to start tapping vacation time.

    I honestly expect that after being at home for four weeks, I'll be clawing at the walls wanting to get out, but it's nice to know that I have the extra time if it's needed. I wish everybody had the luxury of some paid time off.

    It really is a disgrace that the U.S. doesn't have better national policies on that front, although I guess it's good that at least one of the major parties is making that an issue for the upcoming presidential campaign.
  • All my maternity leave is unpaid, I can take up to 12 weeks. It's really, really unfortunate. We will just save and budget. I don't want to have to cut my time short. Those are weeks you will never get back and I cherished them with my first.




  • According to my officemates, I'll pay about $300 total out of pocket ($40 for the the preg confirmation and $250 for the delivery).
  • Pascal86 said:

    Okay, I know it's not like the instant they come out they need to have their own insurance policy, just didn't realize I couldn't lump all of the baby stuff onto my own insurance - I think I actually have 60 days, but from day one the costs go on the baby's insurance and not mine. Which again, makes sense, since it's a separate person, just hadn't thought about that yet.

    Make sure you check w/ your HR- mine gives 30 days, which I believe is standard.

    Ladies, if you get the option, you might want to consider an HDHP (high deductible) plan w/ HSA. For a family, my premium is only $160 per month and once the deductible of $4,000 is met (can be met by one or a combination of multiple family members, unlike PPO), 100% of all additional fees are covered by insurance for the remainder of the year. I'll save well over $10,000 between premium and deductible when compared to my company's PPO plan offering.
    This is what we have. DH and I actually work for the same company so we have separate policies bc it's cheaper that way for now, but we will be adding baby to one of ours come time. My deductible will be met with labor and delivery so anything I have done from May to December 31st (including prescriptions) will be completely taken care of with insurance and nothing out of my pocket.
  • TunieBee said:
    All my maternity leave is unpaid, I can take up to 12 weeks. It's really, really unfortunate. We will just save and budget. I don't want to have to cut my time short. Those are weeks you will never get back and I cherished them with my first.
    YES - I'm obsessed with saving as much as possible all the time, and the idea of two months with no pay sounds terrible, but I've started reminding myself that an extra month with baby is probably worth several grand.
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