I am completely against abortion. I do not judge the sin I judge the sinner. However, I respect and support you for supporting something you so strongly believe in. It is your constitutional right, one people in most countries don't have. God bless America! However, that lady didn't need to be a patronizing old hag. I hate people sometimes
I don't think you should be shamed for anything that you believe. However, I do think we can have access to health care without killing babies. And I do think that if you support an organization that performs abortions, you are supporting abortion.
Do you even realize how self-contradictory your statement is? [-(
No I really don't.
"I don't think you should be shamed for what you believe in, but you're a bunch of baby killers" is pretty much how that reads. Like @Snoopylovesbelle said, there are better ways to communicate a point of view. And in regard to the OP, an opinion on abortions is completely irrelevant.
I am completely against abortion. I do not judge the sin I judge the sinner. However, I respect and support you for supporting something you so strongly believe in. It is your constitutional right, one people in most countries don't have. God bless America! However, that lady didn't need to be a patronizing old hag. I hate people sometimes
**lurker who fully supports PP.
Shouldn't you hate the sin/love the sinner? That way you worded it states that you aren't judging abortion, just the people who have every legal right to make that choice for themselves.
I am completely against abortion. I do not judge the sin I judge the sinner. However, I respect and support you for supporting something you so strongly believe in. It is your constitutional right, one people in most countries don't have. God bless America!
However, that lady didn't need to be a patronizing old hag. I hate people sometimes
**lurker who fully supports PP.
Shouldn't you hate the sin/love the sinner? That way you worded it states that you aren't judging abortion, just the people who have every legal right to make that choice for themselves.
Yeah, this doesn't really make sense to me. Isn't it the sin that is wrong? Obviously you would see the sinner IN the wrong, but I don't know....
Thanks, everyone, for keeping this mostly civil. I didn't intend to bring up a debate about abortion, just talk about my individual experience. Congrats to all of those people who could share their differing opinions without going completely bananas. This is such a touchy subject, and I'm grateful for the support that you've all shared.
Thanks, everyone, for keeping this mostly civil. I didn't intend to bring up a debate about abortion, just talk about my individual experience. Congrats to all of those people who could share their differing opinions without going completely bananas. This is such a touchy subject, and I'm grateful for the support that you've all shared.
Abortion is just one of those words that as soon as anyone says it...DEBATE.
Again I feel bad that you had to go through that with that woman. But I guess you just wanted to vent? Not sure. Anytime you bring up PP you are going to get opinions and a debate. Certainly didn't mean to offend if i did but I didn't understand the point of the discussion maybe. Anyway, moving on....
I am also pro-choice because I don't believe it's my business to tell anyone else what to do with their body, but I 100% PP because of everything else they do.
That sucks OP... Unfortunately the beneficial aspects of PP are often overshadowed in various media because they are associated with abortion.
Can we agree that no one is Pro-abortion? No one wakes up in the morning, thinks "I'm going to get knocked up so I can have an abortion Yippee". Seriously no one does that... I do not believe that abortion should be a method of birth control, there are PLENTY of options for that. But there are situations that having it as an option is important.
I love my kicks and squirms as my LO gets stronger. But if those same kicks and squirms were associated with rape I cannot imagine how my brain would handle it. Or medical issue that can arise. One of the hardest moments of my life was my first ultrasound (we were screening for a severe genetic abnormality on my SO's side that would lead to LO's death). Had the results come back with bad news abortion likely would have been the way we would have gone. It would have been awful for us, but the heart break would have been coming and it would be the safest way to handle the situation.
Everyone has their own personal story and at the end of the day it's nobody's bloody business what decisions you make. If God wants the judge me for my opinion on abortion I can handle that. At least I'm not hateful and cruel in His name.
There is never an excuse for being cruel or hateful to anyone -- ever -- whichever side of this or any debate I am on, I firmly believe in the importance of treating and respecting one another. I do not think all "pro-life" folks are cruel and hateful, I think that's an unfair implication in your post.
I also agree that what other people do with their bodies is not any of my business. But for me, and I suspect for other "pro-lifers" (I also agree no one is "pro-abortion"-- I think the correct reference for the other viewpoint is "pro-choice"), because I believe that life starts at conception, I view abortion as a choice that isn't limited to just affecting the mother's body, but that is affecting another life as well.
Just wanted to chirp in and clarify because I saw a few posts directed at not telling other people what to do with their bodies, and I actually think that stems from a misunderstanding of what the disagreement is actually over.
There is never an excuse for being cruel or hateful to anyone -- ever -- whichever side of this or any debate I am on, I firmly believe in the importance of treating and respecting one another. I do not think all "pro-life" folks are cruel and hateful, I think that's an unfair implication in your post.
I also agree that what other people do with their bodies is not any of my business. But for me, and I suspect for other "pro-lifers" (I also agree no one is "pro-abortion"-- I think the correct reference for the other viewpoint is "pro-choice"), because I believe that life starts at conception, I view abortion as a choice that isn't limited to just affecting the mother's body, but that is affecting another life as well.
Just wanted to chirp in and clarify because I saw a few posts directed at not telling other people what to do with their bodies, and I actually think that stems from a misunderstanding of what the disagreement is actually over.
Ugh. I shouldn't do this, but whatever i'm bored.
Thats awesome if that's what you as an individual believe, and you as an individual decides to do for yourself. However, in the USA the laws are written in a way that individual bodily autonomy trumps all. If someone is dying and needs a blood transfusion, I am not legally required to consent to that transfusion even if I am the only person who could save that persons life. Even if you die, doctors can not take organs from your body to save multiple other people unless you consented to donate organs before you died. You as an individual can consent to that blood transfusion or to be an organ donor, but no one can force you to do it, and if you refuse, there is no crime you can be charged with. So, if people want to outlaw abortion on the basis that isn't limited to the mother alone, that drastically changes the landscape in which all of our other laws exist. Now alcoholism is a crime because you're actively destroying your liver which could be used for someone else when you die. Smoking should be outlawed not only destroying your lungs, you're harming the lungs of others who might breath it. Someone near you needs a bone marrow transplant and you're the only match? Better show up on time or else there will be a warrant for your arrest. You can think it's immoral to have an abortion, just like I can think it's selfish to not be an organ donor, but neither of us can or should be able to decide that for others.
Tl:Dr SRSLY, dead people have full bodily autonomy, why can't pregnant women?
Again, I would like to thank those that understood my original intent. Thanks for being supportive of my personal experience, regardless of whether you agree with the cause I support or not. Even though I never intended this thread to become a debate about abortion, it was a concern of mine before I started it. I don't think that any amount of persuasion will change my POV, and I'm sure you all feel the same way.
I'm going to stop following now, as I feel like I've gotten what I need out of this.
Thank you, thank you, thank you again, for bolstering me when I needed it.
You know, I have been saying this for years and no one has ever pointed that out. I by no means intend to judge, so i think i will say it your way from now on.
"pro-lifers" (I also agree no one is "pro-abortion"-- I think the correct reference for the other viewpoint is "pro-choice")
Just wanted to chirp in and clarify because I saw a few posts directed at not telling other people what to do with their bodies, and I actually think that stems from a misunderstanding of what the disagreement is actually over.
Umm. Sorry. I think most of us know the "correct" term, but that was not my point in using my phrasing. I'm guessing the same is true for others that used the term "pro-abortion" in their comments.
It simply reminds me of what a professor once said to my class years ago about how the words we use for debates are often too simple. No one is "anti-life" or "anti-choice". We all respect life and the ability to choose.
I am unclear on what you think is the general interpretation of what the disagreement is over. I think that it isn't so much that anyone "misunderstands" but more that we have different understandings.
I'm sorry to keep this thread going, but my husband would explain that we often argue over "semantics" and this was bugging me.
I don't particularly care what side anyone is on, but this comment made me aggrevated in a talking down sort of way even though I'm sure that was not the intent.
What the? Some people have their heads so far in sand. I do not support the abortions done by planned parenthood or any other place that thay does them. But I do supprt the many other services offered by planned parenthood. If I saw a pregnant woman supprting PP, I would just assume she was using their free/low cost prenatal care and go on about my day. She needed to tuck back in her ignorance.
Re: I just got shamed for having a bump and participating in Pink Out.
However, that lady didn't need to be a patronizing old hag. I hate people sometimes
Like @Snoopylovesbelle said, there are better ways to communicate a point of view. And in regard to the OP, an opinion on abortions is completely irrelevant.
**lurker who fully supports PP.
Shouldn't you hate the sin/love the sinner? That way you worded it states that you aren't judging abortion, just the people who have every legal right to make that choice for themselves.
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Baby boy born 01/2016
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Low progesterone
Baby boy born 01/2016
Currently: NTNP
Can we agree that no one is Pro-abortion? No one wakes up in the morning, thinks "I'm going to get knocked up so I can have an abortion Yippee". Seriously no one does that... I do not believe that abortion should be a method of birth control, there are PLENTY of options for that. But there are situations that having it as an option is important.
I love my kicks and squirms as my LO gets stronger. But if those same kicks and squirms were associated with rape I cannot imagine how my brain would handle it. Or medical issue that can arise. One of the hardest moments of my life was my first ultrasound (we were screening for a severe genetic abnormality on my SO's side that would lead to LO's death). Had the results come back with bad news abortion likely would have been the way we would have gone. It would have been awful for us, but the heart break would have been coming and it would be the safest way to handle the situation.
Everyone has their own personal story and at the end of the day it's nobody's bloody business what decisions you make. If God wants the judge me for my opinion on abortion I can handle that. At least I'm not hateful and cruel in His name.
I also agree that what other people do with their bodies is not any of my business. But for me, and I suspect for other "pro-lifers" (I also agree no one is "pro-abortion"-- I think the correct reference for the other viewpoint is "pro-choice"), because I believe that life starts at conception, I view abortion as a choice that isn't limited to just affecting the mother's body, but that is affecting another life as well.
Just wanted to chirp in and clarify because I saw a few posts directed at not telling other people what to do with their bodies, and I actually think that stems from a misunderstanding of what the disagreement is actually over.
Tl:Dr SRSLY, dead people have full bodily autonomy, why can't pregnant women?
It simply reminds me of what a professor once said to my class years ago about how the words we use for debates are often too simple. No one is "anti-life" or "anti-choice". We all respect life and the ability to choose.
I am unclear on what you think is the general interpretation of what the disagreement is over. I think that it isn't so much that anyone "misunderstands" but more that we have different understandings.
I'm sorry to keep this thread going, but my husband would explain that we often argue over "semantics" and this was bugging me.
I don't particularly care what side anyone is on, but this comment made me aggrevated in a talking down sort of way even though I'm sure that was not the intent.
Edit:quote box fail