It's a girl!!!

jdey22 · September 2015

We found out today we are having a girl and I couldn't be more excited. I swore it was a boy! Anyone else find out yet? ??

kimmecakes · September 2015

Wow! How many weeks are you?
I thought all of us April mums it would be to soon to know.
Happy pink bump pregnancy to you

jdey22 · September 2015

kimmecakes said:
Wow! How many weeks are you?
I thought all of us April mums it would be to soon to know.
Happy pink bump pregnancy to you

Thanks! I will be 11 weeks tomorrow. We had a panorama blood test so we got results early.

draybaby · September 2015

What are your cravings ? I crave a lot of sour stuff I really think it's a boy .

jdey22 · September 2015

draybaby said:
What are your cravings ? I crave a lot of sour stuff I really think it's a boy .

I have been craving salty and sour things too. I am usually a sweets person and have wanted nothing to do with them.

draybaby · September 2015

Omg me too ! I usually love sweets but ever since I've gotten pregnant I have no taste for anything sweet at all. Which is why I swear I'm having a boy but I could be wrong. Did you request the panorama blood test ?

jdey22 · September 2015

draybaby said:
Omg me too ! I usually love sweets but ever since I've gotten pregnant I have no taste for anything sweet at all. Which is why I swear I'm having a boy but I could be wrong. Did you request the panorama blood test ?

Yes we requested the panorama. We had conceived using letrazol and I just wanted to be put at ease easy with all the tests. It took about 10 days to get the results back.

Goldsgirl9 · September 2015

Congrats! And wow they did your test early! My doc prefers to wait until 11 1/2 weeks for the blood test. How exciting for you though. Now you can start shopping!!!

MoMoWife · September 2015

Congratulations! I'm going to request the Harmony test at my next appointment.

NachosAndPeaches · September 2015

Ive always heard 10 weeks for free cell blood. Well be doing ours in 3 ish weeks. Can't wait. I'm also a firm believer that cravings and symptoms have nothing to do with sex of baby! My mom had opposite pregnancies and we're both girls. I had all "girl" symptoms and have a boy. Each baby and each pregnancy is different.

rebelone · September 2015

Congratulations! We're doing our diagnostic testing in 3 weeks. Then I'm not sure what the turnaround time will be. I'm not even sure what test the hospital is doing nowadays.

pinottoparenthood · September 2015

I just called my insurance company today and found out that Panorama and Harmony are covered... so I can find out ASAP! I am nervous though. I already have a little boy and I want a daughter SO badly that I'm afraid I'll be disappointed for much of my pregnancy if I find out it's another boy. It's not that I would mind having two boys, I LOVE having a son...but my husband is adamant that this is the last baby for us, and I'll be sad if I never get that mother-daughter experience :-(

AmadorRose · September 2015

pinottoparenthood said:
I just called my insurance company today and found out that Panorama and Harmony are covered... so I can find out ASAP! I am nervous though. I already have a little boy and I want a daughter SO badly that I'm afraid I'll be disappointed for much of my pregnancy if I find out it's another boy. It's not that I would mind having two boys, I LOVE having a son...but my husband is adamant that this is the last baby for us, and I'll be sad if I never get that mother-daughter experience :-(

One of my sisters just had her fourth daughter, and she and her husband had agreed that it would be the last. They didn't find out because BIL knows he wouldn't have been as excited if he had known it was a girl.

ETA: he is an awesome dad, just athletic and hoped to have a son to play baseball with, as he was semi-pro before their first daughter.

pinottoparenthood · September 2015

AmadorRose said:

I just called my insurance company today and found out that Panorama and Harmony are covered... so I can find out ASAP! I am nervous though. I already have a little boy and I want a daughter SO badly that I'm afraid I'll be disappointed for much of my pregnancy if I find out it's another boy. It's not that I would mind having two boys, I LOVE having a son...but my husband is adamant that this is the last baby for us, and I'll be sad if I never get that mother-daughter experience :-(
One of my sisters just had her fourth daughter, and she and her husband had agreed that it would be the last. They didn't find out because BIL knows he wouldn't have been as excited if he had known it was a girl. ETA: he is an awesome dad, just athletic and hoped to have a son to play baseball with, as he was semi-pro before their first daughter.

I totally get it! It's not about NOT wanting the sex that I'm getting, and of course I will be so grateful for a healthy baby and will love him or her to pieces... but I'll know I will never get to experience having a daughter, and that's a little sad to me.

misstopsail · September 2015

Congratulations!!!! DH and I agreed (sigh) that we wouldn't be doing any genetic testing, so I'm patiently waiting for 18 weeks... Come on November!

Edited: words are hard.

Snoflakes4eva · September 2015

pinottoparenthood said:

I just called my insurance company today and found out that Panorama and Harmony are covered... so I can find out ASAP! I am nervous though. I already have a little boy and I want a daughter SO badly that I'm afraid I'll be disappointed for much of my pregnancy if I find out it's another boy. It's not that I would mind having two boys, I LOVE having a son...but my husband is adamant that this is the last baby for us, and I'll be sad if I never get that mother-daughter experience :-(

That is not what the Panorama test is for. Do you have any legitimate reason for this test? or is it just for funsies?

AEG84 · September 2015

Snoflakes4eva said:

pinottoparenthood said:

I just called my insurance company today and found out that Panorama and Harmony are covered... so I can find out ASAP! I am nervous though. I already have a little boy and I want a daughter SO badly that I'm afraid I'll be disappointed for much of my pregnancy if I find out it's another boy. It's not that I would mind having two boys, I LOVE having a son...but my husband is adamant that this is the last baby for us, and I'll be sad if I never get that mother-daughter experience :-(

That is not what the Panorama test is for. Do you have any legitimate reason for this test? or is it just for funsies?

There are plenty of legitimate reasons for the test, and finding out the sex of the baby is a nice side benefit. I won't lie, I'm planning to do the panorama test instead of a nucchal translucency scan for that reason.

jenniferamcooper · September 2015

I'm not an OB but the NT u/s is medically necessary to detect things that the DNA sequencing tests will not cover. A friend of mine found out at her N/T that her baby had 2 serious heart defects that wouldn't be detected by genetic testing. They were able to plan her delivery at the critical care children's hospital in my town (4 hours from hers) and really receive the best care. He actually had a greater defect than they thought so he had to be taken to the only hospital in the country that could to the surgery.
Fortunately for them they were able to prepare and everything is great with the LO. He's 9 months old and thriving but they always say that they owe the life of their baby to the u/s tech that caught the defect. In his case his surgery had to happen almost immediate after birth. They are a very fortunate family.

AEG84 · September 2015

jenniferamcooper said:

I'm not an OB but the NT u/s is medically necessary to detect things that the DNA sequencing tests will not cover. A friend of mine found out at her N/T that her baby had 2 serious heart defects that wouldn't be detected by genetic testing. They were able to plan her delivery at the critical care children's hospital in my town (4 hours from hers) and really receive the best care. He actually had a greater defect than they thought so he had to be taken to the only hospital in the country that could to the surgery. Fortunately for them they were able to prepare and everything is great with the LO. He's 9 months old and thriving but they always say that they owe the life of their baby to the u/s tech that caught the defect. In his case his surgery had to happen almost immediate after birth. They are a very fortunate family.

Would this not have been detected at a regular anatomy scan? (I honestly don't know.) My OB said that the blood test (panorama, in my case) essentially replaces the NT scan and that there is no need to do both.

jenniferamcooper · September 2015

@AEG84 it could be different here but in Canada your NT scan is 18-22 weeks and it's the only u/s you receive unless you're high risk or have difficulty dating your conception. I have PCOS and ovulate irregularly so I get a bonus 12 week scan (yay one bonus!).
The N/T scan takes about 40-60 minutes and they go over each organ and body part very throughly. Not sure if they combine the NT and anatomy scan here instead of doing them separately. I'd ask though!

AEG84 · September 2015

jenniferamcooper said:

@AEG84 it could be different here but in Canada your NT scan is 18-22 weeks and it's the only u/s you receive unless you're high risk or have difficulty dating your conception. I have PCOS and ovulate irregularly so I get a bonus 12 week scan (yay one bonus!). The N/T scan takes about 40-60 minutes and they go over each organ and body part very throughly. Not sure if they combine the NT and anatomy scan here instead of doing them separately. I'd ask though!

Ahh, ok. I'll have to ask. Here, the NT scan is done around 12 weeks, with a separate anatomy scan done between 16-20 weeks. This is my first, though, so I'm not sure if the anatomy scan is that detailed.

lc145 · September 2015

Anatomy scan is very detailed. At the facility I'm at they look at all organs and measure size of baby, various organs, amniotic fluid, check umbilical v blood flow, check for umb v insertion in both baby and placenta, look at placement of placenta, check to see baby's position, plus quite a bit more! Finding out the sex is just a bonus. They take a good 30-45 minutes to complete if baby cooperates and isn't too wiggly.

The NT scan is pretty quick in comparison (10-15 minutes). There's only a few things we have to see and then, at our facility at least, they send the results along with your blood samples to calculate your risks of Down Syndrome/Turner's, etc.

jenniferamcooper · September 2015

I think the US health care has a little more bells and whistles than ours (we do maternal serum and NT/anatomy). I'm really jealous of all your scans and tests but very appreciative that our health care is free. I'll only need to pay $120 for a 3-night stay for a private room.
Seriously jealous of all your ultrasounds though!

AEG84 · September 2015

jenniferamcooper said:

I think the US health care has a little more bells and whistles than ours (we do maternal serum and NT/anatomy). I'm really jealous of all your scans and tests but very appreciative that our health care is free. I'll only need to pay $120 for a 3-night stay for a private room. Seriously jealous of all your ultrasounds though!

I would trade all the ultrasounds for your health care in a heartbeat. With our crappy high-deductible plan, we essentially have to plan to pay $8000 (not including the actual premiums for the plan, which are another $2400/year) to have a baby. That doesn't include the cost of a doula, which I plan to have (another $900), or the cost of lost income after the birth, since my work doesn't provide any paid leave time other than whatever accrued vacation you decide to take. It also doesn't take into account that you might have to pay in more than one plan year. I'm lucky because my plan year runs Oct 1 - Sept 30, so most of my costs will be incurred within one year.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to have insurance that covers something. But this type of plan is much tougher to budget for than paying into a national system where costs are spread over a lifetime. I wish the US would do something different!

NachosAndPeaches · September 2015

@AEG84 why don't you change plans?

NachosAndPeaches · September 2015

@aeg84 (sorry for double tag, my whole thing wasn't sent somehow and I didn't feel like editing). I don't think the heart case is an example of this, but I remember from my first BMB, there was some story that a couple found out something at their NT exam that they would not have been able to detect at the anatomy scan. Something with the nuchal folding closing or something, and not something like downs or another trisomy, but something medical that they could actively treat at birth with the right resources. I haven't been on my BMB in like 1.5 years but j wonder if j can search for it.

In any case, my doctor told me that the free cell testing doesn't replace NT and they still recommend it.

@pinottoparenthood I'm in the exact same position as you. Except we haven't ruled out a third. I just always wanted daughters. If I had a girl already j wouldn't care what the next were, but j want a mother-daughter relationship so bad. I don't care how close you are as kids and how great you raise your sons, that best friendship and intense girl to girl communication isn't there as adults.

jenniferamcooper · September 2015

@AEG84 I don't know how families swing it. If we were in the US we couldn't have kids right now. I have a great government job but my husband is a PhD student. It's great because his schedule is flexible and he works his own hours. It's great time because we're early 30s and financially stable but couldn't pay ~10K and then have no mat leave.
We may have to move to the U.S. once hubby is done school (Boston or Colorado) and we knew we couldn't afford kids there!

AmadorRose · September 2015

Wow...all of you make me REALLY appreciate my job! I don't know how I'd swing it if I wasn't AD military...where there's a will there's a way, I guess...but DANG.

heathy82 · September 2015

I'm a genetic counselor and worked in high risk OB for 7 years...just resigned my position last month to work from home. Anyway, maybe I can help with some of the NT scan and blood test confusion.

The NT scan is typically done between 10 and 14 weeks and is a specific measurement at the back of the baby's neck. When thickened, it indicates an increased risk for chromosome disorders, heart defects, rare genetic conditions. It can be paired with a blood test for traditional testing for Down syndrome and trisomy 18 (called a first trimester screen).

The newer blood tests that detect fetal DNA (Panorama, Harmony, MaterniT21, etc) don't need the NT scan to produce a result, have higher detection rates, lower false positive rates, and can determine gender. They can start to be done beginning around 9-10 weeks and can be done at any gestational age thereafter. Some clinics have discontinued doing NT scans and offer this testing instead to screen for chromosome abnormalities. Other clinics still do the NT scan to determine if it is thickened and offer this type of testing too. Some clinics only offer this testing to women who are high risk for chromosome abnormalities, while other clinics offer it to all patients.

NachosAndPeaches · September 2015

@AmadorRose DH VSP'd a year ago and holy crap we miss TriCare. I got standby when any military person dissed TriCare. You can have standard FOR FREE and basically see any doctor you want for super low copays. Like cheaper copays than my current insurance which costs $560 a month for me and DS. It also makes me laugh that so many military personnel I knew were so against obamacare etc etc, yet their insurance is essentially a perfect model of social healthcare.

greer825 · September 2015

You're getting your scans mixed up. In Canada if you chose to do the NY Scan it is done week 11 - 13 and only checks for the skin fold at yhe back of the neck. You also do 2 sets of bloodwork...

The scan done at 18-20 weeks is your anatomy scan.

jenniferamcooper · September 2015

I'm definitely not getting my scans mixed up. The NT and the anatomy are combined in Nova Scotia. I'm the only one of my friends (7 babies in 3 years) that has had an early scan. Everyone else has had 1 u/s between 18-22 weeks.

We do maternal serum testing and if results are high then you're referred to an early NT. I asked my friends last night after this came up on the board. My best friend who is 19 weeks right now isn't getting a scan til 21. Her dad is a Dr in another province and isn't too impressed because if there was something catastrophically wrong it's very late for a medical abortion. That's not an option for them (she declined genetic testing too), but he finds it very late for another families who may choose this option.

AmadorRose · September 2015

NachosAndPeaches said:
@AmadorRose DH VSP'd a year ago and holy crap we miss TriCare. I got standby when any military person dissed TriCare. You can have standard FOR FREE and basically see any doctor you want for super low copays. Like cheaper copays than my current insurance which costs $560 a month for me and DS. It also makes me laugh that so many military personnel I knew were so against obamacare etc etc, yet their insurance is essentially a perfect model of social healthcare.

Don't get me wrong, active duty care sucks (which is also why I'm not a fan of obamacare, plus I don't think it's right to get fined for not having insurance but I don't follow any of that very closely). I work in a clinic and our appointments are over a month out. We currently have 3 providers to see over 7k people...but all of my appointments are free and I get 6 weeks paid when I have this baby. I tell DH the only way I'd stay in would be if there's something wrong with bean, but dang....I feel for ya'll.

AEG84 · September 2015

NachosAndPeaches said:

@AEG84 why don't you change plans?

@NachosAndPeaches there is no other plan for us to switch to. My work offers 2 plans, both are high deductible (7k and 8k for family coverage). In years when you have a significant expense, the combined OOP max and premiums work out to be pretty much the same. One has slightly better pharmacy benefits and an individual OOP max instead of family, but higher premiums. DH works at a different company, and their only option is the exact same plan we're on at my work. (He is actually on his own plan, because premiums are significantly cheaper that way.)

Our only other option would be to try to find coverage in the marketplace/exchange. That would likely mean significantly higher premiums as we would not qualify for any sort of discount, and the coverage probably would not be much better, if at all. We have to have coverage for me, DH, and his 3 sons (court ordered and mom doesn't have coverage anyway since she is self employed), so it's not a matter of just me & baby.

pinottoparenthood · September 2015

@heathy82 I am scheduled for the NT scan but now will probably end up getting Harmony (or maybe Panorama... not sure if it matters?) Is there any reason to still do the NT scan, or should I try to cancel that if I do the blood test?

Thanks for sharing your expertise

jdey22 · September 2015

I did the panorama test and I am still having my NT Scan next week.

cmerribury · September 2015

I did the Panorama and am having the NT scan Monday. The genetic counselor I spoke to suggested both because I guess the results of the blood test aren't 100% conclusive and if anything shows up they like to look for soft markers in the NT scan before doing anything invasive.

pinottoparenthood · September 2015

Thanks guys! I actually found out that the blood test isn't going to be covered after all because the lab is out of network :-(

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