October 2015 Moms

Über Feminist Sister Rant...sorry it's long

Ok, this is purely a hormonally charged rant, which I'm sure I'll look back on and find humor in, but tonight I just need to blow off some steam. 

So my sister and I both went to an all girls college. I loved it and came out just fine, and my sister came out the other side as a bra burning feminist. Now don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not a traditionalist but I don't like to label myself as part of the feminist movement because I truly think some of them feel women are actually better than men, not equal too (please no flame on this, it's not the point of the rant). Anyway, I tell my sister that DH and I are expecting using the language, "We're pregnant!" My sister corrects me several times on several different occasions that in fact I'm the one who's pregnant not both of us until finally I said, "No, this isn't like I got pregnant during a one night stand or something. WE planned this baby together, WE want this baby, and mine is not the only life that will be affected by it. So I'm going to say we're pregnant, and that's just going to be ok!" So finally she let up on that one.

Well then we find out it's a boy. The first time she sees me after I told her, she leans down and says to my belly, "It's ok, I forgive you." 
:-O On top of that she keeps sending me all these pictures of onsies she wants to get me (which will not happen because she's a broke 20 something and thankfully is financially savvy enough to know she can't afford stupid crap like that). All these say things like "Future Feminist!" or "Gender to be decided". That was just annoying.

Well the final straw was yesterday at my baby shower. I told everyone that our colors were green with and animal theme, so we got a bunch of neutral gender stuff anyway, but the family now knows we're having a boy so we did get a couple of things with cars on them and we got an adorable pack of ninja turtles stuff from my cousin because they were his favorite when he was little. (Some history for this next part: I was supposed to be a boy. Like when the doctor pulls me out and says it's a girl my parents asked him if he was sure like three times. My dad used to introduce me as his son followed by my obviously female name, which everyone though was cute. He was adamant that he didn't care if I wasn't a boy I would still be the biggest baseball fan in the world, so one set of my baby pictures was taken with me in a tiny baseball cap and a onsie that says "Slugger" on it. No worries, I don't have a complex after being called his son and baseball is the thing that dad and I share together.) Ok so my parents and DH parents both get baby onsies that say "Little Slugger". I think it's adorable because my family is Cardinals fans and DH's family are Cubs fans and we have rival onsies now. Everyone at the shower laughs and Sister is making a big show of rolling her eyes. I ask her later why she was doing that. She tells me that the "Little Slugger" thing is just such a disgusting stereotype and she hopes I won't actually dress him in those. I remind her that I have baby pictures in pretty much the same thing so it's neutral gendered. She actually told me with a straight face that my pictures were neutral gendered because I was a girl, but If I do it with my son it will be a stereotype because he's a boy. 
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I really just don't even have a reply. The thing is, I have no problem with whatever my son wants to be or do when he gets old enough to make those decisions. I will fully support him. But do I really have to treat my child like an it until he decides for himself or risk offending everyone? Come on!  OK, Rant over. Anybody else got funny relatives to lighten my mood?

Re: Über Feminist Sister Rant...sorry it's long

  • My MIL was POSITIVE our little girl was going to be a boy at our 20 week ultrasound... She was SO RUDE about it. I told her I wasn't sure but I had feeling she was going to show us "girl" on the ultrasound... After we found out that she was a she she wouldn't let up! She even mailed us boy clothes... Weird and a waste of money IMO.. She lives in the city and we are 3 hours away... She was like "it's a joke, you can return them" but in her snarky MIL tone (it's been 5 years since I met her, we don't get along) I replied that I couldn't and that we don't have that store where she bought it all from in our rural community.


    Sorry about your sister, that would drive me nuts... Family just thinks they can say/do whatever... but they are just so darn over the top sometimes!
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  • I'm with PP on this. Her version of feminism is kind of ridiculous. Putting a baby in a slugger onsie is not forcing a stereotype on him, since he is not old enough to even make a decision or be affected by it. Telling your unborn baby she's sorry it's a boy? That's getting to be a bit much. Cudos to you for confronting her though. The pregnant thing though I kind of have to second that really only you are pregnant, though you are both expecting, as they say. Though if some one decided to argue my wording everytime I would just be mad in general.
  • Ok, some random thoughts:
    - your sister doesn't sound like a feminist, she sounds like a misandryst (one who hates men) Telling your unborn son, "it's ok I forgive you" (I'm assuming for the fact he's going to be born with a penis, as if that's a crime) is just weird
    - whether you call yourself a "feminist" or not, you can still raise your children to value gender equality
    - there's no reason a GIRL can't be a huge baseball fan and still be a girl . . . It's weird that your father insisted on calling you his "son"
    - the colors you decorate your nursery with and what you dress your son in will not ultimately determine who he turns out to be, especially if your approach is "they're just clothes; he gets to determine his identity" sure cars abs dinosaurs and sports are stereotypical "boy" things, but lots of boys actually grow up liking those things on their own.
    - I'm on team "I'm pregnant/we are expecting" not "we're pregnant" but I'm not here to argue semantics - you're having a baby together this is true
    - my middle sister was "supposed to be" a boy, too. My mom was so convinced she was a boy that she asked the doctor to check again when she was born! This was back in the 80s before finding out the sex was pretty standard, so pretty much everyone was default team green. But still . . .

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  • Thanks you guys. I agree that what she calls herself is definitely not a feminist, but I just try to stay out of that conversation until she's found her way in the world. Just a couple of responses. The whole "We're pregnant" thing. It's definitely not a problem that she has a different opinion and everyone has a right to theirs, it's the fact that she continually "corrected" me in front of both family and strangers. And just a little more on the, my dad calling me son thing. It was only an anecdote he said around family who knew how convinced my parents were that they were having a boy. So convinced that they had no girl names picked out and literally looked in the bible in the bedside table to find my name. It wasn't like he said it to strangers and he didn't "insist" on calling me his son. Personally I thought it was silly and adorable.
  • That would annoy the hell out of me
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  • We had a cat like PP and joked about it but we loved her all the same. I see how your father was making a joke and I think in family circles that understand it's funny. And I'm sure he would have stopped if you complained.

    The little slugger thing seems more of a reference to you than the fact the baby is a boy.

    I would straight out tell her to get over herself and that her attitude won't be allowed around your son because he won't be made to feel less than anything. The only thing she will teach him is to not respect HER if she continues the behavior.

    I do like the idea of sending her articles like a PP said.

    I go back and forth and the "we're pregnant" thing. I kind of find it enduring when my husband says it because he's excited. And he feels part of the pregnancy when he says it. I think that's a personal choice for the woman/couple.
  • It sounds like you are doing the best that you can with your sister. Good for you for sticking up for your choices, it's not always easy as you know. This will only be one of many choices you make that will be questioned and judged by people who are not your son's parents.

    It is impossible to raise a child - boy or girl - without thrusting some of our biases and expectations on them. You have to pick a paint color and clothes and not everything is going to be neutral. You will graciously accept gifts and use them. You sound like you are pretty self aware and will keep your expectations in check as they affect your son. Good luck and stay strong.
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  • cmjn94 said:
    Dirty lurker - your sister sounds like a Tumblr Social Justice Warrior. You sound like you're doing a fairly good job at managing her. If you're okay with it, I would tell her that if she can't keep her trap shut or that if she ever sprouts her venom out where your son can hear her, then she'll find herself not knowing her nephew. Good luck.
    I just want you to know I laughed out loud at your username.
    Oh man, I didn't even think about how my SN would look with me poking fun at tumblr's SJWs. Whoops!
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  • You have more self control than I do... I'm pretty sure I would have slapped her over half of that stuff. When she has a baby, she can make all those decisions for herself... it's not okay for her to try and undermine your parenting and your decision making. We're having a boy too and he has basketball clothes and clothes with cars on them and his nursery is a very 'boyish' version of a galaxy or space theme... does this mean I'm oppressing my own gender? HELL to the know! When he's old enough to understand what gender is, if he decides he's not a 'boy' than okay! We'll have a discussion! We'll be open and accepting! But until then I'm treating him like a boy because anatomically that's what he is... and guess what! I like basketball! My dad's a mechanic! My husband is fascinated by space! And my favorite color is blue... so there IS not stereotyping going on! Gosh... Sorry... I'm really mad for your sake. Your sister is just too, too naive to be trying to hijack these situations from you. It's not right.  
  • Dirty lurker - your sister sounds like a Tumblr Social Justice Warrior. You sound like you're doing a fairly good job at managing her. If you're okay with it, I would tell her that if she can't keep her trap shut or that if she ever sprouts her venom out where your son can hear her, then she'll find herself not knowing her nephew.

    Good luck.

    Ha! I love this. I think from now on, any time she starts spouting about her feminism I'll correct her with "No, you're not a feminist, you're a Tumblr Social Justice Warrior who spews venom."
  • Does your sister understand there's a difference between feminism and man-hating? I'm afraid to know what her friends are like....
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