November 2015 Moms

Access arrangements for father - looking for suggestions

TacoSarahTacoSarah member
edited July 2015 in November 2015 Moms

Hello ladies

You may recall a few weeks ago I posted about how the father of my child and I had separated. Since then, we have not spoken directly and any communication has been via email. Things are not good between us.

To give you a bit of background - he lives 130 miles away and the travel time takes between 2.5 to 3 hours due to traffic. He rents a room in a shared house with strangers, one of whom has a dog. I own a 2 bedroom condo and live alone. When we were together he was going to relocate and move into my condo.

I am looking for suggestions on how to arrange access for him to visit his son. My only priority is the health and wellbeing of my baby and although I can't stand the man, I believe that he needs to be actively involved in his childs life and be given the opportunity to be a good father.

He has the idea that I am going to meet him half way on Saturday morning, drop the baby off to him so that he can take baby back to his overnight and then meet him halfway on the Sunday to pick up the baby. I find this suggestion ridiculous and not in the best interests of my son. His home is not safe and secure or set up for a baby, I don't want my son being stuck in the back of a car for 6 hours every other weekend as this is no fun AND it puts him at more risk of being involved in a road traffic accident. Also I'm not willing to agree to overnights until baby is at least 12 months old.

I'm not comfortable with him being in my home at all, however I see this as the only option to start with. So I was thinking of suggesting that he could visit every other Saturday, spend a few hours with the baby early afternoon, then he could feed the baby and put him down for his nap, then he would need to leave and come back for when the baby wakes up and could spend more time with him, feed him, bath him, put him to bed and then he would leave again.

I'm trying to be considerate of the distance he is going to have to travel, but at the same time I'm not happy for him to be sitting on my couch and having to entertain him whilst the baby is sleeping, so he is going to have to find somewhere to go whilst the baby is sleeping.

The only other thing I can think of is arranging visits at a contact centre, but this will limit the time he has with his son.

Despite the fact that he was very willing to and could easily relocate to where I live, he refuses to because "I don't see why I have to give up my life when you won't change anything, you should move or need to meet me half way".

Does anyone have any suggestions?    

Re: Access arrangements for father - looking for suggestions

  • Umm a baby changes everything and everyone's lives. What an asshole.

    I agree with you that he needs to come to your house. That's the safe place your son will be used to and it makes much more sense to stay there so he can help you out. Though you don't know what's going to happen or end up being best for the both of you in the long run it sounds like you have a good plan laid out. I dunno about kicking him out for baby naps, though.. It's tough to predict how long a kid will sleep so maybe he could bring a laptop or something to have an activity to stay out of your way. I also imagine you'd have a bit to discuss with him, but that's just my opinion.
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  • That's a tough situation. I think him coming to your place two a month would be best for the baby until he is older. At the beginning babies pretty much sleep all the time, but when they get older you can plan his visits around nap/bed times. As far as the father hanging out, he is there to see his son so spending a couple of hours each visit should be plenty. You should need to set the boundaries and rules ahead of time.
  • Are you near family that would be willing to host him? That's my only other thought. I told ex that he would have to come to my house and would have no overnight visits with new baby until baby is sleeping though the night and/or done nursing. Just thought it wasn't productive for me to send breast milk with him and have to get up in the middle of the night and pump.
  • KeHill08KeHill08 member
    edited July 2015
    That's quite the difficult situation, but I really think you are being extremely rational about it and level headed. I know I would have seriously flipped so I really give you credit. I just can't believe he said that you aren't changing anything in your life. Your entire life is going to change! And why should he have to change anything in his life? Probably because he helped create this baby. You certainly didn't do it alone and now he needs to take responsibility. Being in the car that long and that often isn't good for your baby like you said, and he needs to put the well being of your child before his want for convenience. I really hope he stops being so selfish about it all and starts acting like an adult, because this isn't fair to you or our child. I honestly think the ideas you came up with make the most sense, so hopefully he will start cooperating with you! Good luck!

    Edit, hit the post button on accident too soon
  • ash413ash413 member
    I agree, baby will not be ready to be away for mom for at least a year or 2? Are you planning to breastfeed? If so that would make the overnight thing even more ridiculous.

    In addition I would tell him that you are not OK with the child being at his house while he is sharing a house with several other people.

    In the first several months it would be best not to mess baby's schedule up as best as possibel, so him coming over may be best. Idk that kicking him out during nap time is fair, not to mention you may appreciate this time to talk about parenting details.

    The only thing is every other Saturday is really not a lot of time, especially with travel time. Just my thoughts.
            
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  • I agree that he should come to your place on Saturdays. You'll have the safety and equipment all set up. But I don't think it's fair to kick him out while your kid is sleeping; I think you have to let him have Saturday's at your place.

    Also: breastfeeding is a great excuse to keep babies close to you! It's a tough one to argue with
  • If it were me, I'd probably have him visit in my home, so at least baby would always be near me, and I can keep an eye on the situation. If he has a problem with traveling that far, then he should relocate. You obviously have the safest living arrangement for the baby.
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  • It's a really tough situation. I'd say you trying to come up with arrangements on your own is great, if he'd be reasonable. My sis is going through the same thing right now and they can't agree, which means a fight in court once baby comes to determine custody and visitation schedules. And much money spent on lawyers for them both. Good luck!
  • TacoSarahTacoSarah member
    edited July 2015

    It's really hard because I'm trying to not let my emotions and personal opinion on him cloud my judgement. He is a very difficult person and he is very self centred and entitled, if he can't get his own way he will create problems for me.

    I have tried to informally make child support arrangements with him, but he's only willing to pay the minimum amount he's required to by law, which leaves me with having to cover about 75% of the costs. Child care alone is going to be £800 ($1600) per month when I go back to work. He hasn't offered to contribute to the costs of setting up for the baby, so I've had to buy everything myself.

    When he's angry he makes very bad decisions and does things that have huge consequences, for example, the last time I saw him we had an argument. I drove him to the train station and when he got out of the car I drove off. I didn't realise he had put his suitcase in the trunk of my car and hadn't taken it out. So he called the police, told them I had stolen his property and I had been abusive towards him and he thought I was going to harm myself, none of which was true. He's also said he wants a paternity test because he isn't sure the baby is his and he wants to get social services involved because he doesn't trust me not to spend the money he pays me on alcohol. Then when he calms down and wants to make himself look reasonable, he will email saying the baby is his top priority and he wants to be actively involved as much as he can.

    I don't trust him with the baby. If he were to take the baby out for the day and we argued, I could see him not bringing the baby back to me.

    The house he lives in is not suitable for a baby. His bedroom is tiny so there's no room for a crib, the people he lives with smoke weed and he doesn't know who they are. He has no control over who comes in and out of that house and there is a dog there. Also the thought of my little boy being 3 hours away from me every weekend really upsets me. If he lived close by, on his own in a place that was safe and I could get to easily if there was an emergency, I would be more inclined to let him have overnight visits.

    I realise that a few hours every other weekend isn't much, but I need to be able to live my own life, and if he is at my home every Saturday, that means I'm stuck indoors every Saturday whilst he is there.

    I just don't know what to do. I want my baby to be happy and safe and have both parents in his life. This isn't what I wanted or how it should be.

    I don't want to go to court because I don't want a total stranger making decisions about my son. A stranger should not be making the decisions about his welfare. But I think that's how this is going to end up.

  • I advise looking into contact centres and seeing if there is a centre halfway between you both. That will ensure supervised access in a neutral environment. If it's not something that can be googled, maybe contact Citizen's Advice and they should be able to offer some help.
  • My situation is similar except mine is my abusive ex husband. He wasn't deemed enough of a threat to not let my son go by law...he lives 6 hrs one way away from me. He also lives with people he doesn't know well and he doesn't even have a bed for my son. Has an in ground pool with no fence and tons of guns as well. SCARES ME TO DEATH but there is nothing I can do when his visitation times come. LuckiIy he only sees him once every 4 months for a few days. Courts make you prove w/o a doubt your child is in immediate danger to withhold visits where I live sadly. 

    Also... PLEASE get a good lawyer before baby comes. Breastfeeding is not considered a reason the baby can't go. I was told that I either pump and send miIk or he could give him formula. Pitiful. And the courts can actually force you to drive and meet halfway as well. Not fair at all. Just trying to caution you. Good luck!!
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  • This situation super sucks, butI think you've gotten some really good advice. I would advise that you get legal documentation of all decisions made, especially if they are made without a mediator. This will cost more money in the short term, but can avoid major long term messes. I agree with PP's that you are being very rational, however, when dealing with someone who makes irrational and emotional decisions, the best of intentions can be manipulated.
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  • I also agree that you do need whatever is decided in legal writing. I am not sure what the law is where you live but I'm my state if there is no legal custody in place then a parent can do whatever they want. Like if dad is having a visitation and doesn't bring child back then law enforcement can't force him to because they both have rights to the child. Look into what your laws are to protect your child. And even in the states most dads (or moms) have their children every other weekend and the courts still consider that 50/50. So I think that what you chose with every other Saturday is pretty fair.

    I also think that making him leave while baby is napping maybe a bit much. That's going to be a tough one since they sleep a ton the first month or two.
  • Thank you for the advice ladies, lots to consider.

    In the UK, as we aren't married, unless he is named as the father on the birth certificate, and to do this he must be present when the birth is registered, he has no parental responsibility rights, so if he were to take the baby that would be abduction. There are 2 ways he can get parental responsibility if he's not named as the father, by me signing a document giving him the rights or by him applying to court for it. If he went to court he would have to prove it was in the best interests of the child that he be granted joint responsibility with me and he would have to provide proof of his involvement in the child's upbringing.

    If we have joint responsibility, I would have to get his written permission to take the baby out of the country on vacation, so he could make it very difficult for me to visit my sister, BiL and nephew in Canada, and I would have to consult him on where the baby goes to childcare and school, even though it's me that's going to have to pay the fees and drop off and pick up.
  • JStill0603JStill0603 member
    edited July 2015
    I would also encourage you to get things in writing ASAP after the child is born. It seems you are aware of the laws where you live but in my experience, we went through the court system to get custody of my stepson because DH and his ex didn't formally set anything up when the child was born and then SS ended up living with DH and I for 20-25 days out of the month with DH not having any legal right to make decisions about SS, including school or otherwise. We ended up finalizing a "shared parenting" agreement outside of court but it spells everything out for us and is really fair to SS, who gets to see both his mother and father, have both involved in his life but also spells out who makes decisions for him regarding school, that he is "allowed" to go on family vacation with each parent for up to two full weeks of uninterrupted time with each parent, lays out who picks him up, when and where and basically addresses almost all situations conceivable so DH and his ex can't really argue about parenting times, and that has saved DH and I from having many arguments about him and his communication with SSs mother.
  • @TacoSarah So is it a given that he won't be on the birth certificate? Because he doesn't seem to be the kind of person to go thru the trouble to get on it and it sounds like more peace for you and baby if he doesn't. I'm asking this because if it were me this would matter in my decision. Maybe you could give him the whole Saturday at your place once a month and meet him halfway at a park or something once a month (and just be hover nearby). That way you could minimize the home invasion and still keep an eye on baby. I know some might say you shouldnt do anything to facilitate his visits but if he might try to get rights bc you don't help him, it might be worth giving into the drive. I agree with putting things on paper but not if it's going to carry a risk (ie, he can later use it to prove he was trying to do the father role etc). Get legal advice to at least know your options so you aren't blindsided, he is clearly volatile with decision making.
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