November 2015 Moms

Breast milk production?

i have no clue what to title this question as....

So I have 3 kids, I was able to nurse my first 2 no issues at all, I swear I was like a cow when it came to my milk coming it. I was practically drowning my poor child and had to pump before feedings!

With my third though we had issues and by the time we figured it out my milk had depleted to almost nothing and I had to deal with the fact that I couldn't provide BM for my baby, it was hard but that was reality.

So my question is has anyone done any breast milk "prepping" before baby and have success with it? What is the best way to increase BM? I have tried milk thistle and fenugreek but don't remember seeing a difference. I have googled thus to death but want to hear from real women who have done it.

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  • Not much you can do before other than educate and prepare yourself. Find a support group ahead of time too.

    I used fenugreek and saw a little difference. Mothers milk tea helped some too. Eating oatmeal every morning and drinking lots of water helped the most. Nursing on demand and lots of skin to skin early on was the best advice I got.
  • Drinking a huge amount of water every day is what helps me the most each time. I have also taken Fenugreek and Mother's milk tea. Eating oatmeal for breakfast a lot. When I am really trying to up the supply I pump after every nursing session. Supply and demand. Good luck! I wouldn't be too concerned. I've heard of women have a tough time and then have a great supply the next pregnancy so you never know. Lactation support is also key. My daughter I thought was doing fine, but not gaining weight. It had turned out that her latch wasn't right so lactation helped me with that and she gained again.
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  • I'm not sure about milk prepping, but once I got my period back each month my milk supply would go down for the week. I would drink extra water and I tried Brewers yeast. You can get it at whole foods. My friend would mix it with juice but I couldn't stand the taste. I found an oatmeal raisin cookie recipe that was for increasing your supply. It had a lot of oats as well as the Brewers yeast. They seemed to help. My husband even liked them! I also found that if I pumped right after each feeding it would trick my body into thinking I needed more thus building up my supply again.
  • I wish you the best of luck.  I loved BFing, and while I was never a huge producer (could never seem to pump that much) I did find that as long as I did the water and oatmeal that pp's have mentioned, I seemed to have enough for my little guy.  Tried some other things (teas, brewers yeast) but those two seem to be the tried and true (and most pleasant to ingest) for me.  Wish I had heard it sooner my first time around, this time I am starting on the oatmeal regiment as soon as it is cool enough to actually enjoy a bowl of oatmeal.  Not sure if it makes a difference ahead of time, but figure it can't hurt.  It's good for you anyway!
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    I'm not sure if it will make a difference, but do you mind me asking what the issues with your third were? Perhaps they were a one-time kind of thing and you will have no trouble this time?

    I didn't have difficulties with my second and third, but I did have a heck of a time getting my supply established with my first. I was pretty young, and didn't know where/how to research things much at the time, but I did have a great lactation consultant helping me. DD1 was a lazy sucker, and didn't want to open her mouth wide enough to get a good latch. As a result, my supply suffered. The LC recommended getting a breast pump and pumping after every feeding (like some of the other posters have also mentioned). I was lucky because I didn't need to do anything more than that. The LC continued to work with me until I knew exactly how to get DD1 to open her mouth wide enough to latch well. After that, it was pretty smooth sailing, and thankfully DD2 and DS were great nursers too.

    All this to say that just because you have trouble with one, doesn't mean you will have trouble with the next one for sure. :)


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  • *long post*. :)

    With my second he ended up having a latching issue. He was loosing weight is how we found out he wasn't getting anything. I can't rember when I started pumping (sometime at the end of week one start of week two) but I had milk so we knew it wasn't that I was "dry". I did meet with a lactation specialist who said it was common in moms with more kids that they almost "forget" how to nurse a new born. She helped me get a good latch but so mentioned his tongue was a bit tight (not enough to be tongue tied though).

    I want to say we met with her after his 1st week. Other than my lil guy loosing weight you couldn't tell something wasn't right. He was alert and strong and only fussed twice with feedings. At 16 days old we ended up in the children's hospital with failure to thrive. He also was getting jaundice. We spent 2 nights there and got his weigt headed back up and had a few months of home nurse visits and diatician visits. Overall he lost 1.5 pounds. But my milk never recovered from those first 2 weeks of no real nursing. I was only able to get about an ounce maybe on each side and it just kept going down. So I had to let it go. (We started formula by the way to supliment when my back up supply was gone).

    We also had to track what he was getting so I had no choice but to bottle feed him what I pumped to make sure he got his 2 ounces and then try and met him nurse.

    I also was getting a yeast infection on my breast and in my LOs mouth to so I think that effected it to.

    So l think all those factors added up to me loosing my supply and not being able to nurse after about 3-4 weeks. I tried beer, milk thistle, fenugreek, and I can't remember what else to try and boost it but I think by that point it was no use. I tried the tea to and that was pretty nasty :)

    It was really hard on me since I nursed my first two for a year with no problems at all and I eras able to do this while working full time. I would pump and get 4-8 ounces out of each breast sometimes. I guess that is why I am so afraid this time around that it might happen again. So I want to try and do any prepping as early as I can!!

  • Oh I also think he got so used to the fast easy flow of a bottle that nursing was too much work for him :)
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    Thank you for sharing! I understand your concerns much better now. Failure to thrive sounds so scary, and it's completely reasonable to be worried that it might happen again. I'm afraid I don't know much about prepping beforehand, but I did have a thought that may be helpful.

    Does it cost a lot extra to see a Lactation specialist? If not, maybe it would ease your mind to set up an appointment right after the birth, so that if there are any latching issues again, you could catch them sooner, and not miss out on those early weeks when your supply is being established.

    I hope you get to have another successful BF experience this time around, and I'm sure that being prepared in case things are bumpy again will help you catch any potential problems before they get out of hand! GL!


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  • My hospital had lactation consultants on staff and also available post-hospital (for no charge).  I didn't know this was available until I was actually in the hospital for delivery.  It was incredibly helpful.  I ended up going back twice after I was discharged (3 days out and >1 week out) because we had some latching issues.  Plus he would only nurse for a couple of minutes at a time and I was concerned he wasn't getting enough or was giving up. They did weighted feedings so I could see exactly how much the LO was eating.  It turned out that he was just a very fast eater and getting all he needed in just a few minutes so that could set my mind at ease.  It might be worth calling your hospital and asking about LC on staff.
  • I had a LC at the hospital with my first 2, it was part of the hospital stay, but with my last and with this one we are doing a birthing center. I did meet with a LC a week after my second was born but it was at an extra cost on us, but worth it at that time.

    I remember calling la letche help line and that was a joke!
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    Cook3133 said:

    I had a LC at the hospital with my first 2, it was part of the hospital stay, but with my last and with this one we are doing a birthing center. I did meet with a LC a week after my second was born but it was at an extra cost on us, but worth it at that time.

    I remember calling la letche help line and that was a joke!

    My hospital has "open times", where there is a consultant in a room for 2 hours a day 2 times a week. It's open to anyone, whether you delivered there or not, and is free of charge. Maybe you could check to see if a hospital near you has something similar.
  • I had low supply issues from the word go.  I tried SO many things. Brewer's Yeast, oatmeal, lactation cookies, fenugreek, there are even supplements, like a multivitamin, I took to help "increase production".  Nothing seemed to help.  I pumped after feeding which helped a little bit, but when I would try to call a lactation consultant, it was "Well, try this!"  I really wanted to go see someone, but I never had the courage to ask straight out to get an appointment.  The one thing I will say is the Fair Haven Nursing Blend is the only thing I saw a difference with, but not in quantity.  I noticed my milk was fattier.  I also went on prescription drugs towards the end and that didn't do much, but I also stopped all of the herbal supplements I was doing.

     

    It is extremely stressful and I get how you feel.  I wish there was something I could do now to "prep", but I don't think you can.  I just want to be able to feed my babies!

     

    <Hugs>

  • TI talked with my midwife yesterday and she said there really isn't anything to help prep. She did let me know we can have the lactation specialist come to the birthing center right after baby is born so we can make sure he can latch correctly before we go home so we have decided to do that. Unlike the hospital we tend to go home 3-6 hours after baby is born at the center so I hope this lil guy isn't born in the middle of the night!!
  • I also asked my OB this question and he said there's nothing you can do to prep at this stage. He said the biggest thing to remember is supply and demand...it may be frustrating in the beginning but stay patient and don't give up!
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  • The thing you can do to prep, especially as a first time mom, is to take a breastfeeding class and have your SO go too. It's totally worth it.
  • I was planning on doing a class but thought that was one my husband could skip... why do you think it's good for him to go?
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  • I was planning on doing a class but thought that was one my husband could skip... why do you think it's good for him to go?

    In the sleep deprived early days he remembered so many of the details for me.
    And it showed him it was normal for the baby to want to be attached pretty much non stop in the beginning.
    It helped him support me better.
    We also learned about pumping and bottle feeding and he did all the bottle feeding while I was at work so it was good info.
  • I was planning on doing a class but thought that was one my husband could skip... why do you think it's good for him to go?

    In my BF class there was only one woman there without her SO. DH really knew nothing about BF before the class, it was very helpful for him and really made him more comfortable with the idea of BF.
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  • I was planning on doing a class but thought that was one my husband could skip... why do you think it's good for him to go?

    In my BF class there was only one woman there without her SO. DH really knew nothing about BF before the class, it was very helpful for him and really made him more comfortable with the idea of BF.
    Same with mine.
    I don't think guys know what really goes into it. The class can be an eye opener.
  • Agree w/ taking a breastfeeding class w/ your SO.  Also, I got a couple of books about breastfeeding from the library and read them ahead of time and was able to keep them several weeks after the baby was born for a reference.  I felt more knowledgeable about the whole process and was able to troubleshoot some basic problems on my own.  Plus, I think the more you know, the less likely you will get discouraged if/when you do run into a problem.   However, I am a type A over planner. :-)  I also found the breastfeeding board of Bump to be helpful once the baby came.

  • That makes sense... Thanks for tips ladies.
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