After going through lists of names with my husband, and having a hard time finding one that "clicked" with both of us, we finally decided on an uncommon gender-neutral name, Zephyr Wren. Since a lot of our family is fairly conservative with names, I had hoped to keep it a secret until our little one was born. When we announced the gender last week, of course, his family asked if we'd picked any names. My husband couldn't contain his excitement and announced it to his whole family. The next day, my MIL blurted, "Well, aren't you concerned about her being teased? I can see kids calling her "Zephyr, Zephyr, what a heifer" or something. You should just call her by her middle name, instead."
I simply responded by saying that kids will find any number of things to tease another kid about, that is often completely out of anyone's control. The best thing we can do as parents is try to raise them to be self-confident, since bullies tend to avoid the confident ones.
Then I told her we may consider re-naming her Bob. Or Voltore. Or Trombone. {snicker}
At the end of the day, my husband and I are the ones who will have to call her name all the time. It better be one we like. Why name a kid some common, homogeneous name out of fear of what "might" be?
That is a very unique name. I honestly really like it, it's very quirky As long as you and your hubby agree on it, don't pay any mind to what others say about the name you choose.
And I love what you said about raising your child to be self-confident, you're going to make a great momma
Zeph is masculine, Zephy would be a diminutive of it.
You could also do Zephyr for a boy or Zephyrine for a girl. The ine- ending might help avoid rhyming with heifer to cut down on possible weight related puns, and you and your husband can still call him or her Zephy as a nickname.
While you and your husband will have to call your child by their name all the time, your child has to LIVE with their name all their life (at least until they are 18 and want to go through the absolute paperwork nightmare that is changing your first name) Zephy is cute for a kid, but no one wants to put Zephy on their resume. Your child will only be a child for a fraction of their life, please take that into account when giving them a name. Everyone deserves a full name they can take pride in.
At a certain point, "unique" names stop being unique and just become a hassle.
Not that you're asking for the name opinion, but I like it.
It's definitely different, but not too out there different. If you and your husband like it, go for it. Just be prepared for more reactions like your MIL's if you plan on telling more people.
I don't have the most conventional name and I've grown up to be a successful adult. "Proper" names are just based by a standard of names we have heard or before. I like Zephyr Wren. Do what you think is best (:
I like your name choice! I think it is fresh and original. I am sorry your family is giving you strife, but stick by your guns!
My MiL and SisiL have already started calling the baby by one of our male shortlist names. It's so annoying! We don't even know if it's a boy or girl yet. I still love the name but everytime they say it I feel disgusted by it.
I got the weirdest reactions to my son's middle name Tiberius. My grandmother got so hung up on it she missed that it was the middle name and kept asking how we'd shorten it for a nickname. "We'll call him by his first name..."
This time around it's "those are different names" and my mom genuinely promising everyone they grow on you. She's particularly picky on names so it's a big deal that she loves them. It helps with her we have reasons though (and middle name for girl partly honors her). People put up less argument if there's a story, even if it's just that you liked the meaning. The first name we picked for a girl has a very strong meaning and we liked that. Hubby and I have also both gone through having the common names and it's important for us to choose uncommon ones.
@momotheflyinglemur my dad decided for himself this baby is a girl and named her Sarah (not even something we'd consider) even after being told our name choices and liking them. Someone will always do what they want regardless of your wishes.
Ugh, I hate the argument about kids making fun of other kids for their names. This pretty much never happened when I was in school. I feel like adults just use this as a justification for not liking names.
I don't mean to sound harsh but I feel the truth is kinder than a lie. If you don't wish to hear negative feedback, please skip over my response.
Zephyr is also the code name for an old soviet spy. And the name of a water company (Zephyr Hills.) Wren's not bad but reminds me of L'Wren Scott who just died last year from suicide by hanging...
But since you don't care about what others think about your names, why make a post on it?
And... At the end of the day, your daughter is going to be the one saddled with the name that you & your husband are so set upon. It's not as if it will just be the two of you calling her by her name. Think to the future. Not only school but when she gets married and has to put that on her resume & wedding invitations.
She may love her name... But isn't it worth considering the feedback? If it were a family name or one which was extremely sentimental to you for one reason or another then I would be much more agreeable to not considering alternatives.
I say do what pleases you and dh. I do suggest looking into the name before naming him/her but I feel there has been a trend in different/original names. I personally like more common names but that's what makes the world go round. Everyone is different and has different tastes.
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Ugh, I hate the argument about kids making fun of other kids for their names. This pretty much never happened when I was in school. I feel like adults just use this as a justification for not liking names.
For real, and how many school age children know the word heifer?! Unless they live on a farm or are in FFA? Seriously? I didn't know that word even existed until I was much older. hahahah
I'm not going to give my opinion since you aren't asking for it. But I'd like to suggest something. If you're going to go with a unique first name it's always considerate to give your kid a middle name that's less unique. So she can choose that if she ever wants to use her middle name instead someday. But that's if you care about what your child's opinions or feelings are. If you don't really care what your child may or may not feel then I say go for the 2 unique names.
I love it! Some people don't really have the imagination to come up with a lovely unique name for their child so just go with plain and boring, who cares if wren sounds similar to someone who killed themselves? I'm sure bostonbaby shares her 1st name of someone in prison, and I'm sure that's not gonna make her want to change it! And who cares what it looks like on a resume? If ur child is smart enough for the job they will get it! You can't discriminate against someone because of their name, it's like saying you won't hire someone coz their a woman or fat or to tall or white or coz their hairs brown,it's stupid, if U like the name you should go for it and don't give a toss what others think x
I love it! Some people don't really have the imagination to come up with a lovely unique name for their child so just go with plain and boring, who cares if wren sounds similar to someone who killed themselves? I'm sure bostonbaby shares her 1st name of someone in prison, and I'm sure that's not gonna make her want to change it! And who cares what it looks like on a resume? If ur child is smart enough for the job they will get it! You can't discriminate against someone because of their name, it's like saying you won't hire someone coz their a woman or fat or to tall or white or coz their hairs brown,it's stupid, if U like the name you should go for it and don't give a toss what others think x
Obviously, you are allowed to make assumptions, but an assumption is just that and often times is not factually correct. So I would ask you to reconsider if you are "sure" that I share a name with a convicted criminal? Because that is quite a claim to make.
But to address the rest of your assertion... Personally, if I were in a position to be looking at resumes and considering whether or not to offer that applicant a position, I certainly would consider their name; Depending upon both the position and the type of business we may be dealing with. For example, when I was 21 years old, I was managing 53 employees… At the time, these employees came from all corners of the world. They were a plethora of different races/ethnicities/religions and were both male and female. I would have hired a transgendered person had one applied and passed all background checks. I was not discriminating in anyway. The type of business that I was running allowed me that option. It was the type of business where a name did not matter. However, if I were in an authoritative role and needed to make a decision whether or not to hire somebody for a position that requires a great deal of phone communication (just as an example,) I would certainly be looking at peoples' names and I would be fully within my rights to consider that without breaking the law in anyway so long as the name has no cultural or other meaning. It is not discriminatory. One is allowed to consider all non-discriminatory factors whilst making a decision whether or not to offer a position to an applicant. I would certainly review not only the resume, but I would likely scrutinize their grammar and verbiage. I may have extensive phone communications with applicants prior to meeting with them. The last thing that one might want would be to pick up the phone and call a Senator's office with the name of somebody who has recently killed themselves in an extraordinarily public manner or somebody who is related to a criminal element. I guarantee you that doing such would be extraordinarily detrimental to a business. Name associations absolutely can matter. You are correct that it is not always an issue… Would I personally hire an applicant despite their name if I felt that they were exceedingly qualified to execute their position? Yes. But I would also deny somebody that was on the cusp a position if I felt that it would be a liability. To reiterate, doing such is not discriminatory so long as one is not discounting an applicant's name due to their cultural or ethnic heritage, sex, gender, race, body size, sexual preference, et al.
All of this being said, I have no problem with unique names nor do I have a problem with common names. The OP made a post about her name choice and I am not about to apologize for giving my opinion. That is what this board is all about. We are allowed to disagree politely.
That being said, I wish you a good night and a very nice second half of your week. I am certainly glad to see that you are still around here and hope that you have had an improvement in your home life and situation overall. If I am not incorrect, your post entitled "so confused," indicated that you were in a very troubled place and I am very glad to see that you have decided to go forth with your pregnancy instead of terminating.
I love it! Some people don't really have the imagination to come up with a lovely unique name for their child so just go with plain and boring, who cares if wren sounds similar to someone who killed themselves? I'm sure bostonbaby shares her 1st name of someone in prison, and I'm sure that's not gonna make her want to change it! And who cares what it looks like on a resume? If ur child is smart enough for the job they will get it! You can't discriminate against someone because of their name, it's like saying you won't hire someone coz their a woman or fat or to tall or white or coz their hairs brown,it's stupid, if U like the name you should go for it and don't give a toss what others think x
Lurker here... You've never been in a hiring position, have you? Name is not a protected class when it comes to discrimination. Of course you're not going to tell HR "I didn't bring her in for the interview because I don't like her name", but that doesn't mean it isn't a factor. My H works in a world where they deal with lots of older, wealthy, traditional clients. He 100% looks at the name when a resume crosses his desk, because he knows his clients won't take a super youneek name seriously. That's not discrimination, that's good business practice.
Ooooohhhhhkaayyyyyyy then..... All I was saying is that (all qualifications being equal), my husband will probably interview a David or Abigail over a Blanket, Apple, or Moot Unit 100% of the time. That was really hard to read, btw.
I think @BostonBaby1 expressed her opinion in a very sincere way to the OP. In my opinion she did not say anything that would/should offend the OP.
I also have to say that I do not agree with you when you say she jumps on anything she doesn't like. I have seen her post some very encouraging and uplifting messages to different board members including myself. She may provide her opinion and it could differ from other people's on the board, but really who doesn't post their opinion. If we all just agreed with whatever everyone says we wouldn't have the uniqueness that we do. I am constantly learning new things and different ways of thinking from the board members. I do not always agree with what others say, but that doesn't mean I am right and they are wrong it just means we think differently and that's okay.
I have to say I was happy to see you post yesterday because I too was worried after your post. I know you said it was a tough time for you and I am hoping that things have gotten better for you, your husband, your children and the baby. Your post was very upsetting to read and I hope that you have now moved past all those feelings.
Ohhhhh @stephydan again. 1. Grammar, spelling, and punctuation are your friend. 2. @BostonBaby1 for president! 3. Celeb babies don't work in corporate America. 4. Please be kind to your child or he/she will resent you forever.
I love it! Some people don't really have the imagination to come up with a lovely unique name for their child so just go with plain and boring, who cares if wren sounds similar to someone who killed themselves? I'm sure bostonbaby shares her 1st name of someone in prison, and I'm sure that's not gonna make her want to change it! And who cares what it looks like on a resume? If ur child is smart enough for the job they will get it! You can't discriminate against someone because of their name, it's like saying you won't hire someone coz their a woman or fat or to tall or white or coz their hairs brown,it's stupid, if U like the name you should go for it and don't give a toss what others think x
Lurker here... You've never been in a hiring position, have you? Name is not a protected class when it comes to discrimination. Of course you're not going to tell HR "I didn't bring her in for the interview because I don't like her name", but that doesn't mean it isn't a factor. My H works in a world where they deal with lots of older, wealthy, traditional clients. He 100% looks at the name when a resume crosses his desk, because he knows his clients won't take a super youneek name seriously. That's not discrimination, that's good business practice.
As someone who is currently looking at applications and took a break to go on TB, I just vetoed an applicant for their name. Sorry I'm not sorry. Where I work, name DOES matter. Not everywhere though but it is something to consider. You also have to consider your child may turn out COMPLETELY different than you and your husband. Regardless, no matter if the name is unique or more commonly used (which by the way, I have a great imagination but choose NOT to name my daughter something just to prove so), there are always people who are going to have an opinion about it.
Due 11.16.17 Baby Girl 12.9.15
MC 2.1.15 @ 5 W - Chemical MC 4.7.14 @ 21 W - Turners Syndrome
Ummm... I have been taking care of my mother all morning as she is very ill following her chemotherapy treatment from yesterday. I'm completely in the dark as to what was said (which is likely a positive twist.) BUT... I would like to express my deepest thanks and gratitude to those of you who were kind enough to alert the Admins to whatever was said and also thank you all very much for your support.❤️ it is greatly appreciated!
Awww man, I missed a good one today!!!! @BostonBaby1, are you a bit curious now about whether or not you have a jail doppelganger with your name?
Eta: you know they have super valid and constructive points when their post gets removed (HEAVILY coated in sarcasm).
Yes and no. I am curious as to what was said, but since I'm literally elbow deep in vomit, my curiosity is partially sated by this situation at hand (pun intended.)
* It should be noted, I am absolutely do not share my name with any convicted criminal.
And, I absolutely love the way that your sarcasm font comes across on my phone! It's hot pink and sassy and I love it!
Wren is super popular these days (top 1000 and climbing), so I'd say that's a non-issue for the criminal comment. Is OP's last name Scott? If not, I don't really understand the connection. You'd have to have a super unique first name to not have any criminals with that same first name. If her last name is Scott, then I guess I sort of get the pause.
As for Zephyr, I know a little girl with this name and her mom is super crunchy, hippie, etc. and it's really fine for them. The mom's name was super normal and she changed it to something unique as well that she thought fit her better. While it's not a name I'd go for, I wouldn't side-eye it either, nor would it negatively reflect on hiring for me. It's a normal word with a normal spelling, and it's more the unique spellings that bother me.
Wren is super popular these days (top 1000 and climbing), so I'd say that's a non-issue for the criminal comment. Is OP's last name Scott? If not, I don't really understand the connection. You'd have to have a super unique first name to not have any criminals with that same first name. If her last name is Scott, then I guess I sort of get the pause.
As for Zephyr, I know a little girl with this name and her mom is super crunchy, hippie, etc. and it's really fine for them. The mom's name was super normal and she changed it to something unique as well that she thought fit her better. While it's not a name I'd go for, I wouldn't side-eye it either, nor would it negatively reflect on hiring for me. It's a normal word with a normal spelling, and it's more the unique spellings that bother me.
Nobody has said Wren had any criminal connotation. If you read what I wrote it was that "to me, Wren is not bad but that it reminds me of L'Wren Scott who committed suicide by hanging last year," (and that story was highly publicized.)
Zephyr however, does have a criminal element connected to it. Zephyr was the code name for the Soviet spy Mikhail Mukasei who was a pre and Cold War era super agent for Russia. If the OP is a Russian nationalist then the name makes perfect sense. Personally I would choose Mikhail myself it that were the case, but to each their own. Similar to how I would not name a child Zigzag (as in the famous double Agent Zigzag aka Eddie Chapman,) but I would consider Edward.
But hey, Bob Marley named his son Ziggy so I guess there is a celebrity for every name.
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Names can be such a taboo conversation. Your family will come around. Congrats on your baby girl.
And I love what you said about raising your child to be self-confident, you're going to make a great momma
Oh thats good.
It's definitely different, but not too out there different. If you and your husband like it, go for it. Just be prepared for more reactions like your MIL's if you plan on telling more people.
This time around it's "those are different names" and my mom genuinely promising everyone they grow on you. She's particularly picky on names so it's a big deal that she loves them. It helps with her we have reasons though (and middle name for girl partly honors her). People put up less argument if there's a story, even if it's just that you liked the meaning. The first name we picked for a girl has a very strong meaning and we liked that. Hubby and I have also both gone through having the common names and it's important for us to choose uncommon ones.
@momotheflyinglemur my dad decided for himself this baby is a girl and named her Sarah (not even something we'd consider) even after being told our name choices and liking them. Someone will always do what they want regardless of your wishes.
Zephyr is also the code name for an old soviet spy. And the name of a water company (Zephyr Hills.) Wren's not bad but reminds me of L'Wren Scott who just died last year from suicide by hanging...
But since you don't care about what others think about your names, why make a post on it?
And... At the end of the day, your daughter is going to be the one saddled with the name that you & your husband are so set upon. It's not as if it will just be the two of you calling her by her name. Think to the future. Not only school but when she gets married and has to put that on her resume & wedding invitations.
She may love her name... But isn't it worth considering the feedback? If it were a family name or one which was extremely sentimental to you for one reason or another then I would be much more agreeable to not considering alternatives.
Baby Girl 12.9.15
MC 4.7.14 @ 21 W - Turners Syndrome
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However keep in mind NO ONE else's opinions matter but yours BEcause it's your baby
But to address the rest of your assertion... Personally, if I were in a position to be looking at resumes and considering whether or not to offer that applicant a position, I certainly would consider their name; Depending upon both the position and the type of business we may be dealing with. For example, when I was 21 years old, I was managing 53 employees… At the time, these employees came from all corners of the world. They were a plethora of different races/ethnicities/religions and were both male and female. I would have hired a transgendered person had one applied and passed all background checks. I was not discriminating in anyway. The type of business that I was running allowed me that option. It was the type of business where a name did not matter. However, if I were in an authoritative role and needed to make a decision whether or not to hire somebody for a position that requires a great deal of phone communication (just as an example,) I would certainly be looking at peoples' names and I would be fully within my rights to consider that without breaking the law in anyway so long as the name has no cultural or other meaning. It is not discriminatory. One is allowed to consider all non-discriminatory factors whilst making a decision whether or not to offer a position to an applicant. I would certainly review not only the resume, but I would likely scrutinize their grammar and verbiage. I may have extensive phone communications with applicants prior to meeting with them. The last thing that one might want would be to pick up the phone and call a Senator's office with the name of somebody who has recently killed themselves in an extraordinarily public manner or somebody who is related to a criminal element. I guarantee you that doing such would be extraordinarily detrimental to a business. Name associations absolutely can matter. You are correct that it is not always an issue… Would I personally hire an applicant despite their name if I felt that they were exceedingly qualified to execute their position? Yes. But I would also deny somebody that was on the cusp a position if I felt that it would be a liability. To reiterate, doing such is not discriminatory so long as one is not discounting an applicant's name due to their cultural or ethnic heritage, sex, gender, race, body size, sexual preference, et al.
All of this being said, I have no problem with unique names nor do I have a problem with common names. The OP made a post about her name choice and I am not about to apologize for giving my opinion. That is what this board is all about. We are allowed to disagree politely.
That being said, I wish you a good night and a very nice second half of your week. I am certainly glad to see that you are still around here and hope that you have had an improvement in your home life and situation overall. If I am not incorrect, your post entitled "so confused," indicated that you were in a very troubled place and I am very glad to see that you have decided to go forth with your pregnancy instead of terminating.
Ohhhhh @stephydan again.
1. Grammar, spelling, and punctuation are your friend.
2. @BostonBaby1 for president!
3. Celeb babies don't work in corporate America.
4. Please be kind to your child or he/she will resent you forever.
Baby Girl 12.9.15
MC 4.7.14 @ 21 W - Turners Syndrome
@BostonBaby1, are you a bit curious now about whether or not you have a jail doppelganger with your name?
Eta: you know they have super valid and constructive points when their post gets removed (HEAVILY coated in sarcasm).
So much for QFP'ng. :-w
* It should be noted, I am absolutely do not share my name with any convicted criminal.
And, I absolutely love the way that your sarcasm font comes across on my phone! It's hot pink and sassy and I love it!
Zephyr however, does have a criminal element connected to it. Zephyr was the code name for the Soviet spy Mikhail Mukasei who was a pre and Cold War era super agent for Russia. If the OP is a Russian nationalist then the name makes perfect sense. Personally I would choose Mikhail myself it that were the case, but to each their own. Similar to how I would not name a child Zigzag (as in the famous double Agent Zigzag aka Eddie Chapman,) but I would consider Edward.
But hey, Bob Marley named his son Ziggy so I guess there is a celebrity for every name.