Thursday Crazy Train

blackbird818 · January 2015

W e l c o m e t o t h e C r a z y T r a i n ! ! ! !

Feel free to chime in, offer hugs, give your interpretation of a chart stalk and share your knowledge! image

This is a thread posted daily for any of us who need to get out our frustrations about waiting to O, the 2WW, or vent about our cycles.

If you find yourself checking FF obsessively, MF is getting the best of you, or you just want to pee on all things, let it out here! In order for the conductors to be better able to help you, please make sure you either have a FF chart link in your sig, or make sure you post a link.

Don't chart? You should consider it, not only will it give you a lot more insight to your cycles, but conductors will be able to answer a lot of your questions just by looking at your chart!

To learn more about charting, check out the charting course that FF offers:https://www.fertilityfriend.com/courses/

The CT is not the place to post a BFP. If you have a "squinter" or if you have a line that appeared after the time frame, please do not post about it here. Take a step back from the board, test again with FMU, and good luck!

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Don't forget to punch your ticket and complete the questions below!

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Crazy level from 1-10:

CD/DPO:

Can I just ______ already?!:

Signs/Symptoms:

Explain your Crazy here:

mrspipp · January 2015

I'm going to hop on for probably the first of many...

Crazy level from 1-10: 5

CD/DPO:19/5

Can I just ______ already?!:Know when I O'd?

Signs/Symptoms: Not much.

Explain your Crazy here: After being an-O last cycle, this one looked to be shaping up nicely. I started monitoring with my RE, and he said I looked to actually be O'ing on my own. I got CHs, and thought everything was dandy. Then, all Tuesday (3dpo) I had a lot of EWCM. I know that it can sometimes come after O(after exhaustive google searches), but it's just one more way that my body seems to be letting me down. After that, I had another temp spike on what FF said was 4 dpo. My RE said my progesterone was low when they checked yesterday, but maybe that was because of a later than normal O?

mrspipp · January 2015

@heartbot FX you get a pos OPK today!

blackbird818 · January 2015

heartbot said:

Crazy level from 1-10: 5-ish?

CD/DPO: 16

Can I just ______ already?!: O

Signs/Symptoms: Fertile CM, no temp rise or positive OPK

Explain your Crazy here: MH and I have been at it like rabbits since Sunday, when a boat load of EWCM showed up earlier than expected. But now it's CD16, and no O to be seen. Still have watery CM, though, and hoping I get a positive OPK today and a temp rise tomorrow. My vagina needs a break.

FX for +OPK today!!! Your recent temps are right around your prior just before O temps so I would suspect O very soon. If you don't get a + today, maybe take tonight off to give your vag a break and then BD again tomorrow.

blackbird818 · January 2015

mrspipp said:

I'm going to hop on for probably the first of many...

Crazy level from 1-10: 5

CD/DPO:19/5

Can I just ______ already?!:Know when I O'd?

Signs/Symptoms: Not much.

Explain your Crazy here: After being an-O last cycle, this one looked to be shaping up nicely. I started monitoring with my RE, and he said I looked to actually be O'ing on my own. I got CHs, and thought everything was dandy. Then, all Tuesday (3dpo) I had a lot of EWCM. I know that it can sometimes come after O(after exhaustive google searches), but it's just one more way that my body seems to be letting me down. After that, I had another temp spike on what FF said was 4 dpo. My RE said my progesterone was low when they checked yesterday, but maybe that was because of a later than normal O?

Can I ask the reason for open circles yesterday & today? Honestly, I agree with FF on cd14 as O. From your cycle history, you O the day of or 1 day after a + opk(probably depending on when you catch your surge). You also have had what you've recorded as fertile cm many times after O.

I see your RE started you on progesterone supplementation yesterday so he obvious believed you had O'd as well and typically you start prog. around 3dpo, which is why I suspect he tested your levels yesterday.

renegadewhit · January 2015

Crazy level from 1-10: 9

CD/DPO: 30/11

Can I just ______ already?!: know, i guess

Signs/Symptoms: No real symptoms. Last night I felt like AF was coming on, but today nothing and my temp went up instead of down. I'm still kind of emotional. HPT is negative.

Explain your Crazy here: Can we bring back the chart on when to test, because I feel like if I was going to be positive, it would have already been positive? (key word feel, because I know that's not necessarily true). I really don't know what my "normal" luteal phase is because I've never charted through a "normal" cycle. I do know that when I'm not having crazy long cycles, they're usually 28-29 days, and I'm now at day 30. I'm vacillating between feeling like I'm out this cycle and wondering if I should still have hope. I know you guys can't see inside my ute, but can you relate to my crazy?

renegadewhit · January 2015

blackbird818 said:

heartbot said:

Crazy level from 1-10: 5-ish?

CD/DPO: 16

Can I just ______ already?!: O

Signs/Symptoms: Fertile CM, no temp rise or positive OPK

Explain your Crazy here: MH and I have been at it like rabbits since Sunday, when a boat load of EWCM showed up earlier than expected. But now it's CD16, and no O to be seen. Still have watery CM, though, and hoping I get a positive OPK today and a temp rise tomorrow. My vagina needs a break.

FX for +OPK today!!! Your recent temps are right around your prior just before O temps so I would suspect O very soon. If you don't get a + today, maybe take tonight off to give your vag a break and then BD again tomorrow.

I second this, but I particularly love the "give your vag a break".

@heartbot fx you O soon!

lycih · January 2015

mrspipp said:

I'm going to hop on for probably the first of many...

Crazy level from 1-10: 5

CD/DPO:19/5

Can I just ______ already?!:Know when I O'd?

Signs/Symptoms: Not much.

Explain your Crazy here: After being an-O last cycle, this one looked to be shaping up nicely. I started monitoring with my RE, and he said I looked to actually be O'ing on my own. I got CHs, and thought everything was dandy. Then, all Tuesday (3dpo) I had a lot of EWCM. I know that it can sometimes come after O(after exhaustive google searches), but it's just one more way that my body seems to be letting me down. After that, I had another temp spike on what FF said was 4 dpo. My RE said my progesterone was low when they checked yesterday, but maybe that was because of a later than normal O?

If you take out that one open circle high temp, do you CH become solid? Are the two most recent temps open circles because you temped at different times? sorry it's being all wonky!

lycih · January 2015

heartbot FX you get an OPK+ soon! GL this cycle

AFM...
Crazy level from 1-10: 7

CD/DPO: cd14

Can I just ______ already?!: HIO. I know we need to get on it, since I'm probably going to O in the next 3-5 days. But, I have ZERO energy/desire because everything else is so stressful exhausting right now. Someone punch me and tell me to GTFO myself and just get to humping.... lol

Signs/Symptoms:

Explain your Crazy here: see above. in my head I'm already doing the dumb stuff like calculating a possible EDD, but then I get home from work and just pass out. no sex =/= BFP. SNAP OUT OF IT!

blackbird818 · January 2015

whitneyandconcep said:

Crazy level from 1-10: 9

CD/DPO: 30/11

Can I just ______ already?!: know, i guess

Signs/Symptoms: No real symptoms. Last night I felt like AF was coming on, but today nothing and my temp went up instead of down. I'm still kind of emotional. HPT is negative.

Explain your Crazy here: Can we bring back the chart on when to test, because I feel like if I was going to be positive, it would have already been positive? (key word feel, because I know that's not necessarily true). I really don't know what my "normal" luteal phase is because I've never charted through a "normal" cycle. I do know that when I'm not having crazy long cycles, they're usually 28-29 days, and I'm now at day 30. I'm vacillating between feeling like I'm out this cycle and wondering if I should still have hope. I know you guys can't see inside my ute, but can you relate to my crazy?

(((hugs))) hun. I was chart stalking you earlier. I can definitely relate to your crazy. Since you aren't sure of your LP, it's hard to say if it's still "too early". It is quite possible you could have had a late implanter and just can't turn a test yet. But I'm not one to completely sugar-coat things. Your chart is very pretty, but pretty charts don't always lead to a +hpt (just as ugly charts don't always mean not pg).

FX!!

blackbird818 · January 2015

lycih said:

heartbot FX you get an OPK+ soon! GL this cycle

AFM...
Crazy level from 1-10: 7

CD/DPO: cd14

Can I just ______ already?!: HIO. I know we need to get on it, since I'm probably going to O in the next 3-5 days. But, I have ZERO energy/desire because everything else is so stressful exhausting right now. Someone punch me and tell me to GTFO myself and just get to humping.... lol

Signs/Symptoms:

Explain your Crazy here: see above. in my head I'm already doing the dumb stuff like calculating a possible EDD, but then I get home from work and just pass out. no sex =/= BFP. SNAP OUT OF IT!

Yea I agree O looks very eminent (cd15-18 probably). I could give you a little pep talk but I think I'll just go with this

and HIO!!!!!

blackbird818 · January 2015

Kellybenelly83 said:

Crazy level from 1-10: 3

CD/DPO: 8

Can I just ______ already?!: O!

Signs/Symptoms: the cm is starting to show up, its still sticky though, I normally start seeing EW around cd11-12. I start opks on Sunday! First post mc O! I'm very excited!!

Explain your Crazy here: I'm just hoping we hit a few days in our fertile week this month, I feel insane but I'm just really hoping that it happens quicker this time. I am NOT patient! I did schedule a waxing for mid-fertile week (provided of course my body cooperates) and DH loves it, so he is always much more receptive to my advances

I don't see a chart link in your siggy. Do you temp or just use OPKs/CM to pinpoint O? Just remember cycles can be wonky post-loss so what was "normal" for you may not be now. I just don't want you to put to much stress on yourself if things are different this cycle.

negritosmami · January 2015

@whitneyandconcep‌ I agree with @blackbird818‌ as I too have been chart stalking you and being that this is my first cycle temping I have been studying your chart and convinced that its the perfect chart and cheering you on over here..even showed hubby cause it looks like the pretty"sample charts". I realize our bodies can be cruel and give us a bait and switch but as of right now its really looking good to me and I truly hope this is your cycle!!

mrspipp · January 2015

blackbird818 said:

mrspipp said:

I'm going to hop on for probably the first of many...

Crazy level from 1-10: 5

CD/DPO:19/5

Can I just ______ already?!:Know when I O'd?

Signs/Symptoms: Not much.

Explain your Crazy here: After being an-O last cycle, this one looked to be shaping up nicely. I started monitoring with my RE, and he said I looked to actually be O'ing on my own. I got CHs, and thought everything was dandy. Then, all Tuesday (3dpo) I had a lot of EWCM. I know that it can sometimes come after O(after exhaustive google searches), but it's just one more way that my body seems to be letting me down. After that, I had another temp spike on what FF said was 4 dpo. My RE said my progesterone was low when they checked yesterday, but maybe that was because of a later than normal O?

Can I ask the reason for open circles yesterday & today? Honestly, I agree with FF on cd14 as O. From your cycle history, you O the day of or 1 day after a + opk(probably depending on when you catch your surge). You also have had what you've recorded as fertile cm many times after O.

I see your RE started you on progesterone supplementation yesterday so he obvious believed you had O'd as well and typically you start prog. around 3dpo, which is why I suspect he tested your levels yesterday.

Thanks so much for the stalk ladies!

@lycih The dotted CH are because I put in EWCM after O. When I added that info, it changed from solid to dotted. Removing the temps hasn't changed them.

@blackbird818 The open circles are from temping earlier than usual. I've woken up freezing the last two nights, so that's probably it. My RE had predicted O was imminent over the weekend, which is right around where FF put it. I should really learn to just trust my dr, and stop second guessing every little thing.

edit: fixed tags

blackbird818 · January 2015

tkford216 said:

Here we go...

Crazy level from 1-10: 3/4ish. I'm doing... okay at the moment.

CD/DPO: I'm only at CD6

Can I just ______ already?!: See two weeks into the future, know if this cycle will be normal??

Signs/Symptoms: It's way too early for that.

Explain your Crazy here: For those who may not have seen my intro, I just lost to a CP on Saturday. I had more bleeding than usual when it came, but it's tapered off by now, so it seems to be working itself out like a (mostly) normal period. My doctor suggested waiting a month, but I've decided I just can't do that. If everything seems normal this cycle, I'm going for it again right away. Honestly, that thought is the only thing that has calmed me down since Saturday. I refuse to let this take another month away from TTC unless absolutely necessary. So now I'm just waiting. So far, things seem normal. I'm going to watch for signs of O, and if it seems to be coming when it normally would, we're going for it. My O usually comes around CD22-25. I've decided if it hasn't shown signs of coming by CD26/27 (which would be the latest it's ever came), then I'll consider this cycle "off" and wait til next time around. But I reeeeally want to TTC again this month. So, I need a crystal ball to see into the future, because at this point I have no indication if this cycle will be okay for my own ridiculous TTC rule. Ugh, I'm not a patient gal..

A side question that popped in my brain this morning... is it wise to take a HPT to make sure all the hormones are gone before TTC, or is that a waste of a HPT considering my loss was so early (in the 5th week)? My doc did not offer much for info, but maybe you ladies can offer some insight from your experiences?

What I'm about to say may sound harsh, but that is not my intention; I want to be clear about that before I start.

First off, no one here will ever tell you to go against your doctor's recommendation. S/he knows your situation/details/history/etc. Refusing to follow Dr. orders can have very negative consequences.

You just started TTC in Nov. 2014. Honestly, (I say this with love) you need to calm your tits.

And finally, you say that trying again is the only thing keeping you sane. Well how will you feel if you get pg & suffer another loss bc you went against your Dr? :-/ Bc it does happen; it's happened to ladies here. Is not waiting 1 month really worth that chance? I get being impatient, but one month is nothing. Seriously, I think you need a reality check and maybe a chill pill.

nikiswimr · January 2015

@mrspipp I feel you, I have the hardest time trusting my RE sometimes, it's hard to let it go. I also agree with FF about O on CD14. Even though your RE said progesterone was low, he started you on a supplement. If he didn't think you had O'd that would prevent O so I'm guessing he has some reason he feels comfortable O has happened. GL!

@kellybenelly83 I hope adding the OPKs help you to pinpoint O!

I'm staying firmly on the platform today with @LDubHawksFan. How is the progesterone treating you this time around?

@whitneyandconcep it's still early. FX for you this cycle!

@linkloveszelda26 hopefully a positive OPK is just around the corner! Do you test more than once a day? FWIW sometimes I would have a positive OPKin the evening but not the am and would've missed it if I hadn't been testing twice daily (I realize I'm enabling you to pee on all the things).

renegadewhit · January 2015

blackbird818 said:

whitneyandconcep said:

Crazy level from 1-10: 9

CD/DPO: 30/11

Can I just ______ already?!: know, i guess

Signs/Symptoms: No real symptoms. Last night I felt like AF was coming on, but today nothing and my temp went up instead of down. I'm still kind of emotional. HPT is negative.

Explain your Crazy here: Can we bring back the chart on when to test, because I feel like if I was going to be positive, it would have already been positive? (key word feel, because I know that's not necessarily true). I really don't know what my "normal" luteal phase is because I've never charted through a "normal" cycle. I do know that when I'm not having crazy long cycles, they're usually 28-29 days, and I'm now at day 30. I'm vacillating between feeling like I'm out this cycle and wondering if I should still have hope. I know you guys can't see inside my ute, but can you relate to my crazy?

(((hugs))) hun. I was chart stalking you earlier. I can definitely relate to your crazy. Since you aren't sure of your LP, it's hard to say if it's still "too early". It is quite possible you could have had a late implanter and just can't turn a test yet. But I'm not one to completely sugar-coat things. Your chart is very pretty, but pretty charts don't always lead to a +hpt (just as ugly charts don't always mean not pg).

FX!!

Thank you @blackbird818‌ And @‌linkloveszelda26 I need to just stop obsessing! Easier said than done!

blackbird818 · January 2015

tkford216 said:

@blackbird818‌ I understand what you're saying. I should have specified that this was a doc, not my doc. I just switched insurance and clinics so this is someone brand new. She didn't even think it necessary to see me, kind of blew off any seriousness of the situation and told me to call back only if the bleeding gets worse. She suggested waiting but said it's not always necessary. So that's why I'm not taking it to heart..

But perhaps I'm just taking the "Crazy" Train literally.

That not withstanding I stand by what I said.

.....I repeat.....

You just started TTC in Nov. 2014. Honestly, (I say this with love) you need to calm your tits.

And finally, you say that trying again is the only thing keeping you sane. Well how will you feel if you get pg again right away & suffer another loss bc you didn't wait? Bc it does happen; it's happened to ladies here. Is not waiting 1 month really worth that chance? I get being impatient, but one month is nothing. Seriously, I think you need a reality check and maybe a chill pill.

Also if this is your new doc and are planning to trust her to treat you, then why wouldn't start you start that now?? She is your doctor after all, and you chose to see her.

megrae12 · January 2015

blackbird818 said:

tkford216 said:

@blackbird818‌ I understand what you're saying. I should have specified that this was a doc, not my doc. I just switched insurance and clinics so this is someone brand new. She didn't even think it necessary to see me, kind of blew off any seriousness of the situation and told me to call back only if the bleeding gets worse. She suggested waiting but said it's not always necessary. So that's why I'm not taking it to heart..

But perhaps I'm just taking the "Crazy" Train literally.

That not withstanding I stand by what I said.

.....I repeat.....

You just started TTC in Nov. 2014. Honestly, (I say this with love) you need to calm your tits.

And finally, you say that trying again is the only thing keeping you sane. Well how will you feel if you get pg again right away & suffer another loss bc you didn't wait? Bc it does happen; it's happened to ladies here. Is not waiting 1 month really worth that chance? I get being impatient, but one month is nothing. Seriously, I think you need a reality check and maybe a chill pill.

Also if this is your new doc and are planning to trust her to treat you, then why wouldn't start you start that now?? She is your doctor after all, and you chose to see her.

All of this. @tkford216‌ Give your body some time to heal. Take some time and grieve. Keep in mind that your cycle may be off now. Your doc recommended the wait time so your body could recover. Take it. Getting pg again will not fix what has happened. It can and does take time. Also, waiting a month is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Wouldn't your want to give your body the best chance it had by waiting? I'm just saying it makes more sense to go with your doc. They almost always have reasons for the wait time.

renegadewhit · January 2015

@LDubHawksFan‌ thank you for the chart! I might as well make that my background because I need to be reminded..often... I too may need to calm my tits

blackbird818 · January 2015

linkloveszelda26 said:

@heartbot I finally added my chart to my siggy

fyi hun your link doesn't work. If you go to the Sharing tab in FF, click on the get code link. It should then show your charting homepage web address at the top. You can actually Insert that hyperlink by highlighting any phrase (like the My Chart in my siggy) and click the icon that looks like 2 links with a green circle around a +. Paste the wed address there and save your siggy.

blackbird818 · January 2015

linkloveszelda26 said:

@heartbot try it now! It worked for me, but I could still be fucking it up lol

got it!!

blackbird818 · January 2015

linkloveszelda26 said:
SCORE! @blackbird818 how did you do that thumbs up?

: + 1 : with no spaces

TowerClimbersWife · January 2015

Hi all,

I'm back from a little holiday hiatus.

Crazy level from 1-10: 3

CD/DPO: 13

Can I just ______ already?!: Sleep enough to get a good temp???

Signs/Symptoms: Watery CM started today. Got a faint line on Wondfo OPK, it was stark white yesterday, so that is a good sign.

Explain your Crazy here: AF showed up on Dec 27th. First one after MC. I was happy to hit that milestone. Now I'm just waiting things out for another cycle to get some test results back and to let my little ute rest up.

craftykix · January 2015

Crazy level from 1-10: meh, 6? I feel more Debbie Downer than CrazyPants!!

CD: 28. Ugh.

Can I just ______ already?!: O pls!! I don't think I've Oed yet and my lady organs are frustrating. I thought I Oed around Xmas with CM and other symptoms, but my chart says not.

Signs/Symptoms: Sore boobs and an attitude!

Explain your Crazy here:
I just want to regulate. IMO the only thing worse than a BFN is not even having a shot at it. Just trying to control my inner paranoid crazy and deciding how long I want to wait before I see a Dr. Ever since we started to TTC 13 months ago I mentally marked this month as when Id see a specialist. It's frustrating to be here now and do nothing.

blackbird818 · January 2015

craftykix said:

Crazy level from 1-10: meh, 6? I feel more Debbie Downer than CrazyPants!! CD: 28. Ugh. Can I just ______ already?!: O pls!! I don't think I've Oed yet and my lady organs are frustrating. I thought I Oed around Xmas with CM and other symptoms, but my chart says not. Signs/Symptoms: Sore boobs and an attitude! Explain your Crazy here: I just want to regulate. IMO the only thing worse than a BFN is not even having a shot at it. Just trying to control my inner paranoid crazy and deciding how long I want to wait before I see a Dr. Ever since we started to TTC 13 months ago I mentally marked this month as when Id see a specialist. It's frustrating to be here now and do nothing.

(((hugs))) I can completely understand the torture that is waiting to O/long cycles. Do you have a history of long/irregular cycles? And/or problems Oing? Or is this new since your loss? It can take time for your body to heal and reset.

As far as speaking with a Dr, it can take a healthy couple up to 1 year to conceive, and you were within that range. Unfortunately if you aren't having any known issues (and bc of your age), the 1 year clock resets when you got pg even though you miscarried.

Is this your first cycle temping?

edit for clarity

craftykix · January 2015

Thanks @heartbot‌ I'm usually around a 32 day cycle. Can you ever have a cycle that skips O altogether?

@blackbird818‌ this is my first real cycle after mc so I think that's why it's super weird. I am usually fairly regular. I've been temping for about 8 months.

craftykix · January 2015

Yes I think it's just post mc wonkiness, as this hasn't happened before. I had 1 crazy cycle in May kind of like this, but I'm 99% sure that was just stress induced Delayed O (due to work stuff).

Thanks for the input @heartbot‌ !

blackbird818 · January 2015

craftykix said:

Thanks @heartbot‌ I'm usually around a 32 day cycle. Can you ever have a cycle that skips O altogether? @blackbird818‌ this is my first real cycle after mc so I think that's why it's super weird. I am usually fairly regular. I've been temping for about 8 months.

heartbot touched on everything else, but I was just wondering have you been using FF for the 8 months you've been temping bc I'm only seeing one chart.

craftykix · January 2015

@blackbird818‌ hmmm, maybe bc I just made my profile page this week to add to my siggy? Not sure why. Or I did the settings wrong?

Edit: yes I've been using ff the whole time

lycih · January 2015

blackbird818 said:

lycih said:

heartbot FX you get an OPK+ soon! GL this cycle

AFM...
Crazy level from 1-10: 7

CD/DPO: cd14

Can I just ______ already?!: HIO. I know we need to get on it, since I'm probably going to O in the next 3-5 days. But, I have ZERO energy/desire because everything else is so stressful exhausting right now. Someone punch me and tell me to GTFO myself and just get to humping.... lol

Signs/Symptoms:

Explain your Crazy here: see above. in my head I'm already doing the dumb stuff like calculating a possible EDD, but then I get home from work and just pass out. no sex =/= BFP. SNAP OUT OF IT!

Yea I agree O looks very eminent (cd15-18 probably). I could give you a little pep talk but I think I'll just go with this

and HIO!!!!!

thanks @blackbird818, I needed that

blackbird818 · January 2015

heartbot said:

I've only peed twice in the last 8 hours, both negative OPKs. Maybe it's not going to happen tomorrow... :-S

I saw take a HIO break tonight and get back on the horse tomorrow

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