Toddlers: 24 Months+

Yet another potty training thread

I'm just now checking out this board. I was very active on the bump when pregnant with my first child and I've just had baby #2 in August. My question, however, is about DS #1. He turned 3 this past Saturday and I really feel like we need to get going with the potty training. He is interested in everything about the potty - wanting to watch others use the potty, wanting to flush the potty by himself, reading books about the potty, etc. The problem is that he refuses to actually use the potty. I have a Bjorn potty chair as well as a Thomas the Train potty (I thought that would motivate him), as well as an insert seat for the toilet. He seems perfectly content to go in his diaper, but will tell me when he has pooped in his diaper and needs to be changed. He has said to us on several occasions that he is scared of the potty (obviously not the noise from flushing). At daycare, they take the kids to the bathroom several times a day but my son refuses to go. I'm concerned that he had a bad experience with the potty there. They do not have potty chairs or inserts for the little kids at all. Instead, they are expected to go on the big potty. I don't have an issue with that except for the fact that my son is very small for his age and the toilet without an insert is really too big for him. So I'm wondering if maybe he sat on the toilet one day and fell in a little bit and that is why he is scared. 

My husband has been of the mindset that we don't need to force him because that could backfire and make the process harder. I agree with him but at the same time feel that if we don't consistently make some efforts, we will still be dealing with this a year from now or longer. We do regularly ask him if he wants to use the potty and he always says no. We've tried offering stickers, candy, etc but nothing has worked. 

I know that every child is different and they all do things in their own time but I feel like I'm really failing with this. It's frustrating to me to see children younger than he is who are already trained. He can't move up to the next class at school until he is trained and I don't want him to watch all his friends leave him behind because of that. He really doesn't seem too be motivated to use the potty even when he sees his friends do it. He is a very intelligent little boy and understands the concept quite well, he just won't do it. He's got big boy underwear that he could wear. Do I put him in those and refuse to go back to diapers and deal with the mess until he agrees to use the potty? Do I set out the underwear and the potty chair and wait for it to be his choice? Do I back off completely and not even mention it anymore to him?

I'm really at a loss and could use some advice. I feel like he's going to be the first person ever to go to college in diapers. ;-)

TIA. 
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Re: Yet another potty training thread

  • I would set out the potty and underwear and let him choose.  FWIW, most little boys do not potty train until after they turn 3 so while it feels like your LO is falling behind in this he is actually not.  

    While introducing DD and DS to the potty we bought them underwear and let them wear them periodically (an accident meant back to diapers).  We offered the potty but did not insist.  We started by putting them on the potty right before bath time.  I found this to be an easy starting point for both of them.  

    Have you tried asking him what he's afraid of?  At 3 he might be able to verbalize what is bothering him or maybe not.  But I doubt one bad potty accident could scare him that badly.  I think it's more likely he just isn't ready yet and that is the reason he's giving.  I'm confused that your daycare only has full size toilets and not smaller toilets for the kids to use.  My DD is in preschool and they have little potties which she thinks is amazing.  But either way both of my kids use a big potty (with and without the insert) and can sit their fine.  DD was 26 months when she potty trained and DS is 27 mos now.  

    I think your DH is right and you need to sort of just let your DS take the lead.  If he's genuinely not ready there is no benefit to letting him have accident after accident.  You'll just set both of you up for unncessary stress.  
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    PsyDr04 said:
     I'm concerned that he had a bad experience with the potty there. They do not have potty chairs or inserts for the little kids at all. Instead, they are expected to go on the big potty. I don't have an issue with that except for the fact that my son is very small for his age and the toilet without an insert is really too big for him. So I'm wondering if maybe he sat on the toilet one day and fell in a little bit and that is why he is scared.
    This could go either way - I actually know a child this happened to, but not at daycare.  He fell in at home and has refused to go on the potty to poop ever since (he stands to pee).  Now, to make you feel better in terms of training, this child was "potty trained" at 2 years.  Intensive 3 day, then naked at home, then forced to wear underwear, no diapers.  He was 3 in October and still wears pullups because he won't poop in the potty.

    Conversely, they often have "potty buddies" at my son's school (because there are 2 toilets in the bathroom and when one kid goes, another wants to also).  One of the guys in my son's class is a little guy who fell in the toilet.  And he and my son think it's hilarious.  Apparently (according to teachers) the two of them love to go in together and they can hear them yelling to each other "don't fall in" and then giggling like crazy.


    My husband has been of the mindset that we don't need to force him because that could backfire and make the process harder. I agree with him but at the same time feel that if we don't consistently make some efforts, we will still be dealing with this a year from now or longer. We do regularly ask him if he wants to use the potty and he always says no. We've tried offering stickers, candy, etc but nothing has worked.
    I agree with this, especially if he did have a bad experience.  I think 3 is a little early for exposure therapy ;)  It also sounds like you are making an effort, because you're continuing to offer the potty.  And as you've stated, he's well aware of what to do and the process behind it.  Bribery works great for some kids, but it isn't effective for all.

    I know that every child is different and they all do things in their own time but I feel like I'm really failing with this. It's frustrating to me to see children younger than he is who are already trained.
    You need to stop with the comparison (and I know you know this).  It's hard because as mothers we do this with everything - walking, speech, potty training, but development is so individual, as is maturity.  And what you see with these "trained" children isn't always the whole truth.  I have a friend who bragged about the three-day method and how potty trained her kid is.  For the past year, every time we are with them her kid has an accident.  That's not potty trained.  There are kids who appear trained, but have learned to "hold" their bladder or stools and end up with impacted bowels or utis.  You are not failing.  I can't remember a single child in my elementary school who was in diapers.  Everyone gets there eventually.
    He can't move up to the next class at school until he is trained and I don't want him to watch all his friends leave him behind because of that. He really doesn't seem too be motivated to use the potty even when he sees his friends do it. He is a very intelligent little boy and understands the concept quite well, he just won't do it.
    I think this may be more of a motivator then you think right now.  Let him watch his friends leave.  He knows what he needs to do to join them, and if he wants to, he will.  He might not put 2 and 2 together right now, but as they move to the next room, and he starts noticing that, he may become more interested.  For the longest time, even though my son used the toilet exclusively at home, he refused to use it at preschool.  Then all of a sudden, he started using it and never looked back.  No real rhyme or reason why.  I remember my pediatrician telling me in terms of walking that my son had the capability to do it, but not the confidence.  And some kids are more cautious than others, and therefore slower to start walking, but when they do, they do it nearly perfectly - no falling and pretty much able to run.  They wait until they're more sure they can do it.  I think that probably holds true with potty training also.  He may have the capability, but is scared of having an accident, or not confident in his own abilities.  And the confidence will come with time.
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  • Thank you both for your thoughtful replies. It makes me feel better to know that despite what I may be feeling, he may actually be more in the "norm" than I think he is. 
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  • He is about 25 lbs and 36". We have not tried a naked day at all. Not a bad idea but would have to do it when my husband is not working since we have a 4 month old as well and taking care of both of them by myself is sometimes a challenge...and that is when our 3 yr old is clothed lol!
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  • If you can pick a long weekend or something and get rid of the diapers.  I'm a teacher so I try to do it around school breaks.  My son was 2 in May, I tried in the summer and it went ok, but he wasn't really ready.  I just did it again over Christmas break.  Friday after Christmas the diapers were gone and he's been dry since Sunday! (although we are still working on pooping).  I was on maternity leave for 6 months with DS, when he was about 6 weeks and DD was 2 years 3 months, she refused to keep her diapers on.  We sat outside for a few days while she was 1/2 naked, less mess being outside, and she was trained in no time.  I don't see any way to do it while still in diapers.  It also might be easier to do it now before your baby gets much older.  I never thought I could do it with an infant around, but at that age they stay still, you can strap them in a swing or bouncer.  It may be easier to do now then if you wait a few more months, plus at 3 your son should understand that it's time to be a big boy and only babies wear diapers. 
  • PsyDr04 said:
    He is about 25 lbs and 36". We have not tried a naked day at all. Not a bad idea but would have to do it when my husband is not working since we have a 4 month old as well and taking care of both of them by myself is sometimes a challenge...and that is when our 3 yr old is clothed lol!
    I potty trained DD when DS was about 7 months or so.  I found that easier because DS could sit happily with some toys but could not yet crawl.  I agree it would be difficult at 4 months.  I'd honestly give it a bit of a break for a month or so and then maybe give it another go and see how it does.  
  • I asked him today if he wanted to wear his underwear because he thought it was hilarious to put mine on as I was putting laundry away. He said, "No. I want to wear my monkey diaper". *Sigh*...
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  • This is an interesting thread as I am dealing with much of the same as you all as well. 

    My son knows how to use his potty or sit on the toilet. It doesn't matter how many times I tell him that I do not want him peeing or pooping in his pants, he does it anyway. Every blue moon he will tell in advance and one time he completely went to the bathroom on his own! I was so proud of him that day! LOL! I may have to go "Cold Turkey" with his Pull Ups like we did with getting him off the bottle. I like the idea of putting him in underwear to try and break the habit of peeing/pooping on himself. I can already tell I am going to have to buy a lot of underwear! LOL! I don't know what else to try. He is 3 yrs old now and very smart and has a really good detailed memory about all kinds of things but when it comes to potty training he seems oblivious to it. 

    One thing I don't do is ask him if he has to go. 9 times out of 10 he say No he doesn't have to go. Instead I will say come on let's go Pee or go make pee pee which he knows he has to B-line it to the bathroom and take his pick of either the potty or the toilet. Sometimes he does something and sometimes nothing happens and thats fine. I just want him to keep doing that a few times a day so it becomes natural. 

    Hopefully he will get over this hump real soon! 
  • Yesterday we actually asked him to sit on his Thomas potty and he started crying and shaking. We got him to sit on it got a few minutes by letting him watch a video but he kept saying he wanted to get up. I did give him a sticker for trying but you would have thought we were torturing him. I feel like we shouldn't try that again for awhile. I'm just wondering if we should back off completely for now and try again in a few weeks?
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