Trouble TTC

Super frustrating first medicated cycle (MC mentioned)

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edited December 2014 in Trouble TTC
Quick background: Me-35, husband-31, TTC since 12/12, MMC 9/13 (10 weeks), suspected ectopic 9/14 (7 weeks). I was given a preliminary diagnosis of PCOS by my OB. We finally went to a RE in November and had all the tests done and everything came back great for both of us with the exception of low vitamin D which I started supplements for immediately. We were told we should try 3 medicated cycles and if that didn't work, the next best step would be IVF (which I don't think I'm ready for). I took 5mg of letrozole CD3-7 and then had a my CD12 ultrasound. I had 7 follicles that were all about .9 to 1.1. At this point, I figured I'd be scheduled for another follicle check in a few days or put on more letrozole, but I was told just to trigger with 250mcg of Ovidrel on CD16. My cycles are usually about 32 days, so this made timing very close to my normal cycle. I had few side effects (waaaay better than the cycle of Clomid I did) other than vaginal dryness/sensitivity that made BD no fun, but we got the job done as prescribed. I had my progesterone check Monday, 9DPT and it came back at 5.8. :( I was not given the option to do progesterone supplementation (maybe it's so low it wouldn't have helped?). The nurse basically made it seem like this cycle was a complete write off. I'm guessing that level is too low to support a pregnancy?? They are planning on upping my letrozole to 7.5mg and having me use pregnyl instead of Ovidrel next cycle. The thing is that I had my progesterone monitored after my MMC. My natural cycle level was 17.9 and with Clomid it was 24.5, so this is a new thing. I had already told the RE that I was having a lot of breakthrough bleeding in the last 6-8 months, starting as early as 7 DPO which from what I can figure is related to low progesterone. I really think this may be a big part of my problem. I'm not sure if I should ask for progesterone for next cycle right off the bat or just see how things go. I really hate wasting time and money if things aren't going to work. I'm just so frustrated and so ready to have a baby that I actually get to hold. I'm trying so hard not to wallow in self pity, but it's really hard! If you're still reading, thank you. I'm looking for any advice or words of wisdom.

EDIT: I apologize, I thought I had done an intro post, but I guess I never officially did. My basic info is at the top of this post and I've been lurking/sporadically posting for over a year since I moved from the MC/Loss board. I appreciate all the answers and support I've already received!

Re: Super frustrating first medicated cycle (MC mentioned)

  • Welcome! I am so sorry for your losses. I hope you never have to go through that again. :(

    It sounds to me like they can't be quite sure what happened with your cycle because they had you trigger quite randomly. For all they know, your follies hadn't matured. I would start by requesting to trigger no more that 1-2 days past the most recent ultrasound - meaning they need to get you back in and make sure what those follies are doing. I've had follies grow less than 1mm/day, and I've had them grow 10mm in 3 days. 

    I would ask them what they think of starting progesterone support for the luteal phase since you had such a low number and have had such early spotting. I can't imagine why they wouldn't want you to. It sounds like a step that could make a big difference. If you have just 3 cycles before IVF is the next step, then I wouldn't worry about the expense of a few more ultrasounds or meds, even if OOP - hopefully that would reduce your chances of having to face IVF. :)


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  • It's surprising that they had you trigger without proper monitoring. I was in a situation this month where I went to the RE on Friday and my follicle wasn't quite ready so went back on Monday and it still wasn't ready but was going out of town on Wednesday so they did blood work and could tell from ultrasound and bloodwork that I should be ready on Wednesday and to go ahead and trigger Wednesday morning since I couldn't come back in for another u/s. But I have never heard of triggering when your follicles were so smal without more monitoring.From what your progesterone level was my RE would say you didn't ovulate any mature follicles, I could be wrong but I think they want 7 days past O progesterone to be at least 10 or 15. I'm by no means an expect tho. I think you should definitely request more monitoring and if they won't it's definitely time to move to a new RE. Proper monitoring is key!
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  • That monitoring sounds downright irresponsible - what if too many of those little follicles matured? It sounds like you might have had the opposite problem in that maybe they weren't mature yet at trigger... but the point is you don't know because they didn't check. Like everyone else said, I would definitely ask for monitoring closer to trigger next cycle!

    I'm sorry your progesterone levels are worrisome... I don't actually know anything about what those levels are supposed to be because they've always had me on prometrium just in case. Progesterone support is easy and (usually) relatively affordable so I would definitely ask for that next cycle. Good luck!!
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    My husband was diagnosed with state IV colon cancer in 2009. Surgery and six rounds of chemo left him in remission (yay!) but with low testosterone. He took Androgel for two years starting in Jan 2011.
    -SA in Jan 2013: big fat zero; stopped Androgel
    -varicocelectomy in June 2013
    -SA in Dec 2013: 23mil/ml, really low morph
    -SA in March 2014: Count doubled! Morphology apparently no longer an issue.

    Treatments:
    April 2014: hysteroscopy
    June 2014: TI (clomid/bravelle/ovidrel: 2 folliclces) = BFN
    July 2014: IUI#1 (clomid/bravelle/ovidrel; 1 follicle, 23mil post-wash) = BFN
    August 2014: IUI#2 (clomid/bravelle/ovidrel; 1 follicle, 43mil post-wash) = BFN
    September 2014: IUI#3 (clomid/bravelle/ovidrel; 2 follicles, 15mil post-wash) = BFN
    October 2014: IUI#4 (clomid/bravelle/ovidrel; 1-2 follicles, 12mil post-wash) = BFN
    November 2014: IUI#5 (clomid/bravelle/ovidrel: 1 follicle, 23mil post-wash) = BFN
    December 2014: IUI#6 (gonal-f/ovidrel): 2 follicles, 55mil post-wash) = ???

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  • Sorry for the confusion on the size, the U/S showed them in cm and I guess they are usually in mm?? or the other way around? IDK, it's my first go around with this. I was super upset when I went in for the follicle check and just figured that my RE knew what he was doing since he's been in practice as a RE for over 15 years and is pretty highly respected, but I really should have asked for another U/S. The theory that I ovulated a bunch of immature follicles makes sense because my level was high enough to indicate ovulation (just barely) but I had almost no ovary pain, in fact way less than in a natural cycle (my periods are pretty regular except for this sh*tty spotting issue). I did not outright ask for progesterone, but I did ask if there was anything else I could do for this cycle and they said no, so I was upset by that too. I also asked if I could do a follicle check on CD 14 next month since my cycles are usually 32 days and I didn't end up triggering til CD16 this month (which looks like it may have been too early) and was told maybe. I'll be out of town CD10-13 (assuming AF shows up when she should) next month and it would suck to miss a cycle because they won't let me have a later follicle check. I don't know if I should try switching REs. There are 5 others in the same practice or as of today, I have different insurance and I can choose another practice. This was my only choice on my insurance. I am not always that great at standing up for myself and I should realize that it's my body and my money and I should be able to ask for what I think I need. Thank you so much for your answers and support!
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