Oh my gosh, that's so horrible. I can't imagine how that poor kid will feel growing up with that burden once he understands it.
I know, and he is probably confused right now wondering where mommy is. Then he will probably one day know the truth. Poor thing!
Why have a weapon so easily accessible to kids? WHY? I don't turn my back on DS in the buggy with my purse because there is a 100% chance he will fuck with it, and I don't keep anything dangerous in it.
The kid is the victim here. Not the idiot woman who kept a loaded handgun in her purse when out shopping with 4 children. It could have just as easily been one of the children killed. She was reckless.
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@NarwhalBacon I agree. I can't leave anything near my kid cause he's guaranteed to grab it. I'm not anti-gun, but why does one need a handgun at Walmart when out with 4 children?
The article mentioned she had traveled. A lot of people who owns guns carry them when they travel. At least that's why I assumed she randomly had a hand gun at Walmart. Though obviously locked in the glove box would have besn a lot more sensible. If she regularly toted one in her purse with four kids around that seems irresponsible to me, but I don't know this woman's circumstances or how she ended up with a firearm in her bag at Walmart, so I'm trying not to judge. It's a sad sad story.
A poster in my BMB said a lot of guns don't have safeties because they require strength to pull the trigger.
Me:.............
Harry Styles = Life Ruiner
There’s a lightningin your eyes I can't deny Then there’s me inside a sinkingboat running out of time Without you I'll never make it out alive But I know, yes, I know we’ll be alright
Do I really have to say that if a 2 year old can pull it, it's obviously in no way an effective safety mechanism?
Harry Styles = Life Ruiner
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When storing a gun you have a sliding scale, if you will. On one end is safety. The other is "readiness". The more you slide to one end, the further away you are from the other.
We have guns. We are all the way on the safety end of that slide. At no point is "readiness" going to outweigh my child's safety.
It is incredibly easy to turn the safety off of a gun. If your kid can turn a toy on that has an on/off switch, they can turn the safety off of a gun. They are so accidental discharges don't happen, but besides that they're basically useless.
I don't know what kind of gun this woman was carrying, but the safest way would have been to not have a round chambered. I'm pretty confident a 2 year old couldn't chamber a round.
I'm betting it was a revolver (probably a .38) in which case there is no safety , typically. It relies on the supposed long trigger pull as OP mentioned.
The .38 is very popular for carrying, especially amongst women.
It is incredibly easy to turn the safety off of a gun. If your kid can turn a toy on that has an on/off switch, they can turn the safety off of a gun. They are so accidental discharges don't happen, but besides that they're basically useless.
Yes. But the combo of the two is improbable for a 2 year old.
IDK. My kid can find the switch on a toy, turn it on and push every button on the toy in less than a minute. I think flipping a safety switch and pulling a trigger isn't much different. Especially if it had easy pull.
It is incredibly easy to turn the safety off of a gun. If your kid can turn a toy on that has an on/off switch, they can turn the safety off of a gun. They are so accidental discharges don't happen, but besides that they're basically useless.
Yes. But the combo of the two is improbable for a 2 year old.
IDK. My kid can find the switch on a toy, turn it on and push every button on the toy in less than a minute. I think flipping a safety switch and pulling a trigger isn't much different. Especially if it had easy pull.
Guns are all made so differently it's hard to judge how easy it was for the kid to use without knowing the exact model. The Beretta we sold last year was hard as fuck even for me to use. It was a bitch to chamber a round. The Pheonix .22 we still have, I have no doubt a toddler could disable the safety and use it in less than 1 minute. The safety is a gigantic red button and it has a hair trigger pull. Basically everything my kid loves, colorful switches and buttons.
No I'm not serious. I just think the point is what Marla is saying. I just cannot even fathom carrying a loaded gun that easy to shoot.
Yeah, I agree 100% on that. My point was totally separate, I was just saying a safety is not hard to disengage. But yes, don't be a fucking moron and carry a gun when it isn't necessary or keep a loaded gun where a kid can access it and problem is solved.
We got rid of our guns, except the one that we can barely even give away, because the amount of security needed in a home with a toddler makes it useless for protection. If I have to keep it in a locked safe with the mag out, then I'm dead anyway.
Guns are all made so differently it's hard to judge how easy it was for the kid to use without knowing the exact model. The Beretta we sold last year was hard as fuck even for me to use. It was a bitch to chamber a round. The Pheonix .22 we still have, I have no doubt a toddler could disable the safety and use it in less than 1 minute. The safety is a gigantic red button and it has a hair trigger pull. Basically everything my kid loves, colorful switches and buttons.
I'd look into selling that. I wouldn't be comfortable with that in my home.
It is in a locked safe and we don't even have the ammo it uses. It's as useful as a paperweight right now.
This makes me feel sick. How tragic for the child and his siblings.
In my state no one but law enforcement can carry a weapon, you can own one for your home but not carry. As for those who can legally carry, it has to be on their person, so carrying it in a purse is illegal. I don't know the laws where this took place but that came to mind when I heard this.
I have a gun. It does not have a safety. Many do not. My gun is locked in a safe. I keep it loaded but there is no bullet in the chamber.
I don't understand. Don't put your damn purse with the gun in it next to your toddler with no safety and loaded and .... There is just too much wrong with this.
Re: Toddler shoots/kills mother
It's really hard to not victim blame in these situations. Though, this child is the biggest victim.
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The article mentioned she had traveled. A lot of people who owns guns carry them when they travel. At least that's why I assumed she randomly had a hand gun at Walmart. Though obviously locked in the glove box would have besn a lot more sensible. If she regularly toted one in her purse with four kids around that seems irresponsible to me, but I don't know this woman's circumstances or how she ended up with a firearm in her bag at Walmart, so I'm trying not to judge. It's a sad sad story.
Me:.............
Harry Styles = Life Ruiner
There’s a lightning in your eyes I can't deny
Then there’s me inside a sinking boat running out of time
Without you I'll never make it out alive
But I know, yes, I know we’ll be alright
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J. 1.14.13 my reason for breathing
Harry Styles = Life Ruiner
There’s a lightning in your eyes I can't deny
Then there’s me inside a sinking boat running out of time
Without you I'll never make it out alive
But I know, yes, I know we’ll be alright
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
J. 1.14.13 my reason for breathing
We have guns. We are all the way on the safety end of that slide. At no point is "readiness" going to outweigh my child's safety.
I can't get the ticker to work, but I have two sons:
Baby RJ, born 1/25/2014
Formerly Twilightmv
I'm betting it was a revolver (probably a .38) in which case there is no safety , typically. It relies on the supposed long trigger pull as OP mentioned.
The .38 is very popular for carrying, especially amongst women.
Yep. The child shouldn't have had access to a loaded weapon period.
In my state no one but law enforcement can carry a weapon, you can own one for your home but not carry. As for those who can legally carry, it has to be on their person, so carrying it in a purse is illegal. I don't know the laws where this took place but that came to mind when I heard this.
I have a gun. It does not have a safety. Many do not. My gun is locked in a safe. I keep it loaded but there is no bullet in the chamber.
I don't understand. Don't put your damn purse with the gun in it next to your toddler with no safety and loaded and .... There is just too much wrong with this.
I can't. I'm so upset.