Secondary IF

IVFers or those considering it....

If you want to share....

One of the things holding me back from IVF is if I should be lucky enough to have extra embryos, I have no idea what to do with them. Did you think about it in advance? Have you made a decision? Anything in particular sway you or did you just know?

What are the options? Freeze, destroy, donate to another couple, donate to science?
Me: 32, DH: 33
DS #1: April 2010
DS #2: July 2015 (preemie born at 31 weeks) - our little miracle conceived through ART - unexplained secondary infertility/adenomyosis

Re: IVFers or those considering it....

  • I always vote donate to a couple in need if you have that option. BUT if you're going to go through the process use whatever you will need and make the decision later. 


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    DD1 July 31, 2011

    Trying for #2 since Oct 11
    732973 Clomid Cycles
    2 IUIs 
    3 Fresh IVFs= 1 Ectopic treated with MTX
    Spontaneous pregnancy #2= Ectopic #2= lost left tube
    Spontaneous pregnancy #3= DD2 January 29, 2016
    Spontaneous pregnancy #4= Ectopic #3
    Spontaneous pregnancy #5= Baby #3 is a BOY!!! 



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  • We decided to donate our embryos to someone who needs them but I doubt we'll have any left by the time this is all over. 



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    BFP #1 7/21/2013--EDD 3/30/14--D&C 9/24/13
    BFP #2 1/28/14--MC 2/7/14

    IUI #1 5mg Femara + trigger = BFN
    IUI #2 5mg Femara + trigger = BFN
    IUI #3 5mg Femara + trigger = BFN
    IVF #1, Stimmed for 12 days, ER 8/22/14, 9 retrieved, 7M, 7F!!  Freeze all due to fluid in uterus.
    FET end of October 2014 cancelled due to fluid in uterus due to possible c-scar defect
    Surgery scheduled 12/12/14 to fix possible isthmocele
    3/26/15 transferred one 8 cell grade 4 embryo and one 6 cell grade 3 embryo = slow rising betas for 2+ weeks = ectopic MTX shot 4/29/15
    Repeat c-scar surgery June 2015
    2nd and last IVF cycle August 2015, stimmed for 12 days, 2 egg retrieved, both mature and both fertilized.  Transferred both 8-cell embryos on Day 3, beta 9/5/15 = BFFN
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  • We struggled with that, too, and I'm not sure we have made an absolute decision.  Because of my age, the RE thinks extra embryos are not likely to be an issue we face.  If we somehow do, in addition to the options mentioned above, she offers the choice of transferring them during a natural cycle.  We'd probably do that.  That's obviously not an option for someone who produces lots of healthy extra embryos, though.
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    Me: 41, DH: 45
    DD, 6/15/2013
    TTC #2 beginning January 2014
    AMH 1.05; FSH range 7-11

    July 2014: IUI #1.  Follistim + Pregnyl.  2 follicles--BFN
    September 2014: IUI #2.  Follistim + Pregnyl + Ganirelix + Crinone.  4(?) follicles--BFN
    October 2014: IUI #3.  More Follistim + More Ganirelix + Pregnyl + Crinone.  4 follicles--BFP!  Beta #1=10 Beta #2=33 Beta #3=97 Beta #4=158.  M/C 11/1/14
    December 2014: IVF #1.  Microdose Lupron protocol.  9R, 9M, 9F.  3 5-day blasts transferred 12/15. BFFN.
    April 2015: IVF #2.  Microdose Lupron protocol.  16R, 15M, 12F. Transferred 2 5-day blasts 4/12 and froze 4--BFP!  M/C 5/25/15
    August 2015: IVF #3.  14R, 13M, 11F.  Froze 5 blasts for CCS testing.  3 normals.  FET planned for 10/2015.



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  • My doctor has a lengthy form where you have to decide everything in advance - if patient dies, if spouse dies, if there is a divorce, etc.  It's a little crazy to have to think through every scenario.

    Both times we have cryopreserved our extra embryos and so far, we have not reached the donate scenario.  Our RE's office charges $50/month to cryopreserve.
    Me: 35 DH: 35 - Married 10 years
    PCOS and MF

    Two failed rounds IUI in 2010
    IVF #1 in 2011 - BFP 8/5/11 - Our IVF miracle was born 4/8/12
    FET 9/23/13; BFP -Twins-10/3/13; EDD 6/10/14; MC 11/1/13; D&C 11/4/13
    FET 3/28/14; BFN - 4/7/14
    IVF #2 - Transfer 2 embryos 11/14/14; BFP 11/24/14 - Beta 265;
    11/26/14 - Beta 612; 11/28/14 - Beta 1263; 12/1/14 - Beta 3571;
    12/3/14 - first u/s - two gestational sacs; 12/17/14 - two healthy heartbeats (132 and 134)
    Our IVF miracles were born 7/16/15

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  • honestly? i dreamt about having extras. i dreamt i would freeze them and then down the road if i was lucky enough to have all the babies my heart could love and STILL had extras i would donate them.

    and then going through the process and having no extras (and no baby too) i laughed at myself dreaming "oh gee, whatever will i do with all these embryos?"  i'm no way saying it's silly to think "what if", i'm saying it should be a decision you come to when you are standing at that crossroad. i don't think it should be something that would hold you back from doing IVF. because no matter how much you plan, you never know how it will turn out. and i would hate for you not to pursue something that may get you your rainbow, because you aren't sure what you would do if you had extras. kwim? this shit is hard, all these uncertainties. big hugs lady.
    Me: 36, DH: 36
    DH's SA = normal
    1 tube only wonder
    AFC 3-5, AMH 0.30

    BFP #1 3/29/11.  EDD 12/4/11... Missed m/c 5/9/11. Cytotec fail. D&C 5/17/11.
    BFP #2   7/5/11.  EDD 3/14/12... Our rainbow Kellen born 3/14/12 via c/s.
    BFP #3 5/30/13.  EDD 2/8/14...  6wk u/s HB 126. 8wk u/s lost HB. D&C 7/12/13.
    BFP #4 2/18/14.  EDD 10/30/14... Ruptured ectopic with L tube removed & D&C 3/7/14.
    BFP #5 7/27/14.  EDD 4/9/15...  m/c @ 5w4d.

    IVF #1    Oct 2014 - antagonist protocol: 9R, 7M, 5F. 3dt of 3 Grade 2 embies. BFN. 
    IVF #2    Jan 2015 cancelled due to dominant follicle.  Converted to IUI #1. BFFN
    IVF #2.1 March 2015 cancelled due to dominant follicle.

    BFP #6  (SUPRISE!) 3/19/15.  EDD 11/30/15...  CP at 4w2d.
    IUI #2:    Clomid + Follistim = 3 follies. BFN.
    IVF #2.2 May 2015 - horrible response to micro lupron flare protocol: 3R, 3M, 3F. 3dt of 2 Grade 3 embies. BFFN. 

    BFP #7 (beyond surprised again!) 4/26/16. EDD 1/5/17. beautiful betas!!!! and then near-fatal hemorrhagic corpus luteum. turns out baby was ectopic after all; another lap 5/6 (@24dpo).

    the universe can fuck off.


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  • hoppin747 said:
    My doctor has a lengthy form where you have to decide everything in advance - if patient dies, if spouse dies, if there is a divorce, etc.  It's a little crazy to have to think through every scenario.

    Mine too.  DH and I are kind of putting it off, but we need to do it soon!

    We also need to decide about ICSI and genetic testing, among other stuff.  Too many choices!
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    DD, 6/15/2013
    TTC #2 beginning January 2014
    AMH 1.05; FSH range 7-11

    July 2014: IUI #1.  Follistim + Pregnyl.  2 follicles--BFN
    September 2014: IUI #2.  Follistim + Pregnyl + Ganirelix + Crinone.  4(?) follicles--BFN
    October 2014: IUI #3.  More Follistim + More Ganirelix + Pregnyl + Crinone.  4 follicles--BFP!  Beta #1=10 Beta #2=33 Beta #3=97 Beta #4=158.  M/C 11/1/14
    December 2014: IVF #1.  Microdose Lupron protocol.  9R, 9M, 9F.  3 5-day blasts transferred 12/15. BFFN.
    April 2015: IVF #2.  Microdose Lupron protocol.  16R, 15M, 12F. Transferred 2 5-day blasts 4/12 and froze 4--BFP!  M/C 5/25/15
    August 2015: IVF #3.  14R, 13M, 11F.  Froze 5 blasts for CCS testing.  3 normals.  FET planned for 10/2015.



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  • I read somewhere about transferring the embryos at a point in your cycle they wouldn't stick, like during your period or something.  

    We thought about adoption as well, but its hard for me to look at my daughter and imagine someone else raising our child.  



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    Round 2
    Since March 2013
    BFP April 2013 - Missed M/C July 2013 @ 12w6d
    BFP December 2013 - CP @ 4w3d
    Eight medicated cycles, three IUIs: FAIL
    IVF #1 Antagonist - January 2015: CP/FAIL

    IVF #2 April 2015: Microdose lupron Flare
    ICSI, CCS Freeze all
    6 blasts biopsied/5 normal

    FET #1 June 25, 2015 6AA and 5AA blast transfer
    BFP 3dp5dt!
    Beta 8dp5dt 195.2, 10dp5dt 474.8, 12dp5dt 977, 22dp5dt 25,580
    <3 Twins! Our boy and girl coming end of February!  <3

  • DH was against adoption. Now that we had a chemical pregnancy we won't have to make that choice. We'll transfer my last one next year in February.

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    IVF #1 September 2012, beta #1: 213; beta #2: 580. Expecting Twins! 
    EDD 6/9 lost one angel at 9w3d :( 
    Baby boy arrived 6/1/13
    FET #1 10/14, BFP -Chemical Pregnancy :(
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  • I've done two fresh IVF and 2 FET cycles. We have one child and will find out on Sunday if FET #3 was successful (we did PGD on day 5 embies). If this cycle is successful I will donate the remaining embryo to medical research. MH is just not comfortable with embryo adoption so it is a non issue for us.

    There are so many factors that go into an IVF cycle that you don't have to decide anything now.
    TTC since 3-08 IVF # 1 Dec 2011 BFP DD born at 31 weeks 6-24-12

    FET #1 Dec 2013 BFN

    FET # 2 Feb 2014 BFN

    No more frosties

    IVF #2. September 2014

    PGD yielded 2 perfect 5d blasts

    SET November 9, 2014
    Nov 23, 2014. Another BFN

    Not sure where to go from here.

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  • I wish I had a form! That seems easier. Neither of us feels comfortable with donating to another family. I think it's so incredibly admirable, amazing and selfless but I think I would always be searching and looking everywhere I go for that possible kid or kids who share our DNA.

    I talked to our RE briefly about it and he said he is very happy we are thinking about it because many of his patients don't or feel differently once they have their miracle baby and then are distressed about it later. Perhaps I should suggest a form to him. Our RE says he is optimistic that we could end up with several good embryos so it's a real possibility to consider.

    Thanks all for sharing your thoughts!


    Me: 32, DH: 33
    DS #1: April 2010
    DS #2: July 2015 (preemie born at 31 weeks) - our little miracle conceived through ART - unexplained secondary infertility/adenomyosis
  • I am on IVF #6 right now.  And we did have one make it to freeze this time.  But, I am a super poor responder and conceived my daughter on our third IVF cycle.  So, it really hasn't been an issue.  That said, both of the clinics we have used have had forms requiring you to decide if you would freeze or discard embryos that made it to freeze and weren't transferred during that cycle.  There were also questions as to what happened in case of husband's death, wife's death or both of our deaths.  They do not have you decide in advance what you will do with extras after your family is complete, though.

    My husband and I talked about this years ago when we believed that we would be successful on the first cycle and have frozen embryos.  At that time, I was pretty torn.  Since I feel like these are my babies, I think they deserve a chance at making it.  But, I had a really hard time with knowing that a child that is genetically mine could be out there.  During the years of struggle to conceive #1 and now to conceive #2, I think donating to another couple would be easier for me.  Unfortunately, I don't know who would want to take a risk on our sole frozen embryo given all of our struggles.  And, we may still use it.  We transferred two but are almost a week away from getting results.  Praying that we will have to revisit this issue in the near future!

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    Me= 37 and DH = 41 

    Dx: DOR, Endo, APA+ (really high beta 2 glycoprotein antibody and high everything else tested), heterozygous MTHFR mutation, positive for lupus anticoagulant, high FSH, low AMH and both tubes blocked (per HSG on 3/8/11)

    IVF #1 - long lupron (with HGH, intralipids, lovenox and BA); 4 retrieved, 3 fertilized; ET 2 blasts and 1 frozen = BFN

    IVF #2 - a version of antagonist with EPP (with HGH, intralipids, lovenox and BA); 6 retrieved, 4 mature, 3 fertilized, 2 blasts and 1 frozen blast transferred on day 5 = BFN.

    IVF #3 April was postponed to May, May was canceled. June/July was canceled. Had a cyst aspiration and then began IVF #3 in August. ER on 8/22; ET on 8/24 with AH. +HPT on 9/5. Beta #1 (11dpo) = 3; Beta #2 (15dpo) = 29; Beta #3 (17dpo) = 60; Beta #4 (19 dpo) = 118. Heartbeat at 6 weeks 6 days =132.  Lil is here!

    TTC#2:  Trigger + TI = BFN; Clomid + Trigger + IUI = BFN.

    IVF #4:  BCP + MDLF + Lovenox = 7R, 1F = Transferred 1 6-cell embryo on day 3 = BFN

    IVF #5:  MDLF + Lovenox = 4R, 1F = Transferred 1 10-cell compacting embryo on day 3 = BFN

    IVF #6:  (New RE):  Long Antagonist November 2014 (transferred two 8 cell grade 1 embryos and froze one blast) = BFN

    FET#1:  BFN

  • IVF is a real possibility for us in the future so this is definitely a relevant question for us right now. I would prefer to donate any extra embryos to science. I'm not comfortable with donating for use by another couple and neither would H. At least if we donate to science we are helping in some way to advance technologies etc. If we are lucky enough to have another child we won't be planning to have any more after that so there wouldn't be much of a point in paying storage fees indefinitely.
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