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Interesting read...

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in December 2014 Moms
Came across this on NYT and thought I'd share with some smart and opinionated ladies. I know people with beliefs that fall all over the spectrum on abortion, but this is scary. Can you imagine being forced by a judge to undergo a c-section?!

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/08/opinion/pregnant-and-no-civil-rights.html?referrer&_r=2
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  • 2JEL2JEL member
    edited November 2014
    I'm too pregnant and hormonal to debate abortion this month, so with the disclosures that that I am (a) very pro-life and (b) an attorney, I'd like to point out that this is sloppy/misleading journalism at its finest.  The main (and I agree scary) case it refers to regarding the c-section is not new (from 1987), unrelated the passage of personhood amendments and was actually found to be invalid by an appeals court and overturned.  See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_re_A.C.

    ETA: Just to be clear, I posted not to defend the idea that the life of the fetus should trump the life of the mother (which I don't agree with) but to reassure people that it's more scaremongering than anything they are likely to run into. 


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    @2JEL‌ - I figured that for some of the anecdotes there was more to the story. That being said - with state legislatures pushing through legislation to try to run around Roe v. Wade (legislation often written with seemingly little attention being paid to practical legal or medical implications in mind) I think it is likely that we will see many pregnant women being affected. Some in ways not necessarily intended by the laws. Also, these new statutes will bring increased judicial involvement. Depending on the judge, it could mean that many decisions involving pregnancy may be taken from women.
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    @amedbery, I was going to give you a love it in response but then wasn't sure of the proper etiquette as I certainly didn't want to imply I "loved" the consequences you outlined. :/

    I agree with you that it's always good to think to think about the foreseeable consequences when considering legislation and keeping in mind that there will be additional ones we can't anticipate.  Despite being rabidly pro-life on a personal level, I would definitely like to see more moderate voices and reasonable compromises (for instance the kinds of policies in place throughout Western Europe) driving the national conversation on policy here in the US instead of the extremists on both sides.  

    Also, as a legal technicality, states (whether by legislation OR constitution) cannot get around/overrule/etc. Roe v. Wade because federal constitutional rights trump all of those things-- on the other hand, they can continue to highlight developments in science/culture which might (but probably won't) curtail or expand the Supreme Court's interpretation of Roe v. Wade-- for instance, last time I checked there couldn't be an undue burden on abortion before 20 weeks, which some courts have said is 22 weeks gestation and others, including people at state level are saying is 20 weeks gestation (and obviously some would like it even earlier)-- so I think at some point the Supreme Court will look at all the evidence and the various state propositions/laws and come up with some sort of clarification to at what point states can place which restrictions.


    "And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." 
    2 Corinthians 12:9

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  • RaeChayRaeChay member
    I think there is a lot to be said here simply about knowing your own rights. There has definitely got to be more to some of these stories. No one in the US can be forced by law to have a c-section that they don't want...neither a hospital nor a doctor can force any medical procedure on you against your will. Additionally, everyone has a right to a lawyer (maybe not knowing that fact is the problem?) who will defend your interests. 

    Agree with @2JEL about the need for less extremist voices in the abortion debate. My personal feeling is that extremism in any form is bad. 
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