July 2014 Moms

Marital Unrest?

Anyone been experience marital problems after LO?  We have a DS, who turned 2 in June and then LO was born at the end of July.  There has obviously been massive amounts of adjustment for everyone involved.  For about 2 weeks after LO was here, DS was a holy terror, then he seemed to be settling in and now he's kind of back to his old ways and it is putting a strain on our marriage.  Neither one of us can agree on a form of discipline and we end up fighting about that, he tells me I shouldn't worry about things I worry about and places a lot of blame on DS behavior on my mom as she does let him get away with things, but what am I to tell her, isn't that kind of part of being a grandparent?  

Today after going to nurse LO at daycare, DS teacher stopped me and said that DS had been pushing, pulling kids shirts and sitting on them today, unprovoked.  DS is generally a very happy, loving, agreeable toddler so this was quite upsetting to me.  When I called DH to tell him about it, he then started placing blame on my parents again.  I said I wish your parents lived closer so they could be blamed for everything too, he just said I'll talk to you later and hung up.

In general, he is a very supportive DH who would do anything I need and asked, but as far as agreeing on things goes these days, I feel like we are in two separate worlds. 

Anyone have any advice with how to handle this or deal with discipling my LO?

Re: Marital Unrest?

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  • I don't understand why your mom/parents are such a target?  Does she watch your LOs? You two are the parents and should be doing the disciplining, not your parents.  I'm confused on that part.

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  • How often are your parents watching your child if he's also in childcare?
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  • jensaviccijensavicci member
    edited October 2014
    Well, let me first just say how sorry I am that you're having issues with your DH and DS. Sometimes, it's harder for spouses to see eye-to-eye on disciplining their kids. But I have to say that if you don't nip this behavior now, it could get worse as he gets older. You need to take charge as a parent and make sure that your DS's grandparents help raise him the way you want him to be raised. Grandparents will be grandparents and will sometimes try to spoil the shit out of your kids. But, if that happens too much, he may try to start getting spoiled at home thus resulting in spoiled behavior. You and your DH also need to try and come to some agreement on disciplining your child.
  • BP607BP607 member
    edited October 2014
    They may come pick up older DS probably once through the week, my sister is still in HS and plays volleyball so they will take him to games sometimes or he will go over in the evening for a couple hours and they may keep him for an afternoon on some weekends.  My mom will come over to help watch the kids so I can get things done, etc.  DS noticeably acts more wild around my mom and usually comes home acting wild from their house.  My mom rarely tells DS no and when we try to, she will coddle him or make comments about our method of discipline. 
  • Well, let me first just say how sorry I am that you're having issues with your DH and DS. Sometimes, it's harder for spouses to see eye-to-eye on disciplining their kids. But I have to say that if you don't nip this behavior now, it could get worse as he gets older. You need to take charge as a parent and make sure that your DS's grandparents help raise him the way you want him to be raised. Grandparents will be grandparents and will sometimes try to spoil the shit out of your kids. But, if that happens too much, he may try to start getting spoiled at home thus resulting in spoiled behavior. You and your DH also need to try and come to some agreement on disciplining your child.
    My fears exactly. :(
  • BP607 said:

    They may come pick up older DS probably once through the week, my sister is still in HS and plays volleyball so they will take him to games sometimes or he will go over in the evening for a couple hours and they may keep him for an afternoon on some weekends.  My mom will come over to help watch the kids so I can get things done, etc.  DS noticeably acts more wild around my mom and usually comes home acting wild from their house.  My mom rarely tells DS no and when we try to, she will coddle him or make comments about our method of discipline. 

    How do you and your DH go about disciplining him?
  • Having no experience around toddlers, I'm just not sure what is "normal 2 year old behavior" and where the limit is..

    I usually handle discipline with a warning, ex. stop what you are doing
    2. Stop what you are doing or you will go to time out
    3. Go to time out

    DH will pop his butt, slap hand, etc, which is how he was raised, and I was not. 

    It seems though recently that discipline hasn't had much effect on him.  When I try to tell him to stop he tells me no, or not say that to me

    We tried a reward chart for good behavior - get a sticker, lose a sticker but that seems to be losing its effectiveness as well
  • Well, from what you're saying, it sounds like your mom could be a factor in his behavior. I would't point fingers because, you're not with your son 24/7 and you don't know everything that goes down with him and your parents. For all you know, he could be learning this behavior from other kids at school. It could be a combination of things. What's important is that you make sure your son has ppl in his life that are setting good examples. Especially while he's so young and eager to learn. When you find the ppl who aren't setting good examples, talk to them about it. See if things can change. Nip it in the bud ASAP.

    But, you most importantly need to remember to do your part as a parent. Kids need consistency. But, if you don't think your methods are working anymore, try and seek help for new ones. He's still a baby though. He's in the terrible 2s lol so, you can't expect him to obey every time. Just keep trying!
  • hab83 said:
    With my daughter, I found that redirection often worked better for her than telling her no/time out.  Most of the time, if she was doing something she wasn't supposed to be doing, it was time for a  new activity.  If it is a simple behavior that is really best solved by telling no, stay consistent with whatever the consequence is if he doesn't listen.

    I think it sounds like your mom spends enough time with DS to make sure she's helping to establish boundaries and guidelines for expected behavior.  And if she's outwardly coddling him and making comments when YOU discipline him in her presence, I can definitely see why your DH would be frustrated.  That is totally unfair to everyone.  It sends DS mixed signals and undermines your and your husband's authority.  It also causes tension.

    Also, you and DH need to create a united front when it comes to what methods of discipline will be used.  If my DH "popped" our kids on the butt or slapped their hands, I'd be incredibly ragey.  It's just not my style and not one I can get behind.  This would be especially true if my kid was engaging in physical behaviors like the pushing/pulling/sitting on kids.  In my opinion, it makes no sense to teach kids to keep their hands to themselves and to not hit/push/pull/etc by hitting/smacking/popping them.
    I agree with the no hitting, and when I addressed this to DH we got into a fight about it and he said he was going to leave the disciplining up to me.  Things have been incredibly tense between us lately and I'm just not sure how to resolve it.  I've been on the edge of tears all afternoon.  I appreciate everyone's help so far. 
  • Where is your time out location?

    I noticed a little after 2yrs having to move time outs to her bedroom. Quiet and alone (2-3 minutes)

    I also had to cut back on time out warnings and go directly to time out based on her offense
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  • BP607BP607 member
    edited October 2014
    It is the hallway where the three bedrooms meet.  I usually do 2 min or until he stops crying, which is usually fake. 
  • Soon2BMrsNSoon2BMrsN member
    edited October 2014
    Your DH sounds passive-aggressive. You two definitely need to sit down and come to an agreement on how discipline is going to go down in your house. It's not a fun talk (I speak from experience) but as the parents of an infant and a 2 year old, you have a long road ahead of co-parenthood ahead of you, so it'll be time well spent. You need to be able to present yourselves as a united front. And you definitely need to encourage your mom to tone down the coddling.

    The first thing DH and I discussed in regards to discipline is that it kind of blindsided us. Parenting an infant is easier, in that regard. Then all of the sudden, you have a misbehaving toddler and have to make concrete decisions about discipline.

    Good luck!
  • First, I agree you and your DH need to get on the same page. The more consistent the consequences, the more effective they'll be.

    I don't blame your mom. Yes, it would be more helpful if she corrected his behavior more often, but it still mostly falls on yours and DH's shoulders so I'd focus on that for now. If she watched him daily it might be a different story.

    Maybe work with DS to come up with a new incentive system? I've had to change things up a few times over the years when things lose effectiveness. Aside from sticker charts, we've done marble jars - he would get marbles in the nice jar when he did well and marbles in the naughty jar when he's misbehaved. I never take away the marbles he's earned for positive behavior but he always has the chance to move his naughty marbles to the nice jar. If at the end of the week his naughty jar is empty, he gets a reward.

    Make sure you remind DH to praise, praise, praise the positive behavior. It's easy to fall into a pattern of getting on his case for the negative and forgetting to acknowledge the positive.
  • First off:  No hitting by your DH.  All that does is reinforce that hitting or being physical with his friends is okay.  I know it can be hard in moments of frustration, especially when you're trying to wrangle an infant.

    Redirection is good.  If there is something you don't want him to be doing (like pounding the walls with a toy), redirect him to something he's allowed to do (pound his workbench with a toy).  Also, using modeling words.  Instead of saying "stop hitting", say "let's use nice hands or gentle touches".

    Positive discipline/reinforcement is excellent.  When he does something good, make sure you reward that behavior with words or actions.  For my DS, who's 4, we just started a reward chart.  He earns one star for a day for each behavior (for him we started with no whining, go to bed and stay in bed, clean your mess and get dressed).  He's very eager to earn stars and it's visual, so he gets to see his progress towards a reward (if he earns 20 stars he gets a trip to Panera (the kid loves Panera)).

    It does sound like your mother can be contributing to his behavior.  You need to sit and talk to her about it and boundaries you would like her to reinforce.  The whole spoiled by grandparents thing tends to be for when the grandparents don't see the kiddo that often.

    I speak from <limited> experience.  DS was quite the bear when we brought DD home.  DH felt like he was always the "bad cop" and said that I was too lenient.  However, when either of us were alone with DS, he was fine, so it seems like he played us off of each other.  We discussed it like adults and decided that we needed to put up a united front.  No more saying yes when the other parent said no.  No more giving into whining.  Consistency in discipline. etc. etc.

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  • Ugh, I'm sorry DH seems like he's not talking through things with you and is instead being a bit passive-aggressive. Does he usually do this when faced with conflict? It's going to be a long and hard road if this pattern continues.
  • Thanks for all the advice and support.  DH and I are going to try to work through things and try to do what is best for our kids!  
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