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I need sleep help for ds

I don't know what to do.

For the past month, DS has woken up 1-3 (or more) times a night, freaking out.

Sometimes he wants the lights on. Sometimes he wants the dog to be with him. Sometimes I need to check for monsters or hug or cuddle him.

I am tired and I know he has to be as well. I don't want to leave his room lights on since he shares with DD. There are two nightlights beside his bed and a bright one outside their open bedroom door. He's got a light up sea horse and stuffed animals to cuddle.

The dog won't stay in there all night with the door open, and DS wants it open. I don't want a gate that'd keep DS from reaching the potty.

I am not sure what to do. I've talked to DS about it. He's afraid of bears and monsters. He knows he's safe during the day, but it clearly doesn't hold over to nighttime.

To top it off, DH was a complete dick last night when I got frustrated and said (to DH) that I didn't know what to do anymore when DS woke up for the third time.

Anyone have any suggestions?


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Re: I need sleep help for ds

  • I have ((hugs)) for you, but no real advice. We are kind of dealing with that now, but she just comes in our bed. I hope someone here can give you some good suggestions


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  • You guys are so into nature, can you do research on bears together to show him they aren't a threat? Maybe that can give him a mantra like bears live in the woods not houses...something he can repeat to himself? Monster away spray?

    I've been scared to do this because talking about what to do if he saw a bear (a necessary talk because they were active and a bunch were spotted at our camp while we were in the mountains) is the trigger, I think. But it can't get that much worse.


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  • What about getting some lavendar room spray and putting on a fake label to make it monster/bear spray? He'll feel like he's taking care of keeping them away and the lavendar will help keep him calm and sleepy. You could also try getting rid of the nightlights. We had to take them out of our two and half year olds room because if there was any light on when she woke up in the motn, she wouldn't go back to sleep. Got rid of the lights, she saw it was dark and went right back to sleep. Good luck!

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  • What about getting some lavendar room spray and putting on a fake label to make it monster/bear spray? He'll feel like he's taking care of keeping them away and the lavendar will help keep him calm and sleepy. You could also try getting rid of the nightlights. We had to take them out of our two and half year olds room because if there was any light on when she woke up in the motn, she wouldn't go back to sleep. Got rid of the lights, she saw it was dark and went right back to sleep. Good luck!

    I like the monster spray, but I don't know if the lack of light would help.

    He wakes up screaming he can't see as is... Ugh. I don't know.


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  • I'm on mobile so I can't see how old he is but I have been having the same problems with DS and he's 4. People are telling me there's a 4 year old "terror" time when some kids start to get scared at night. I've tried everything and I'm exhausted. I'm just waiting it out because I've been literally driving myself nuts over it.

    Sorry no help, just commiserating.
  • I'm on mobile so I can't see how old he is but I have been having the same problems with DS and he's 4. People are telling me there's a 4 year old "terror" time when some kids start to get scared at night. I've tried everything and I'm exhausted. I'm just waiting it out because I've been literally driving myself nuts over it.

    Sorry no help, just commiserating.

    He's four too.

    I'm so freaking tired. He and DD don't wake at the same time so I feel like I'm up all night.

    And when I said I was frustrated last night, DH said "we've got to just keep getting up with him. It wouldn't be okay to ignore him. You're worrying too much. It's your anxiety." Yes, ass. Because worrying about my scared kid is totally just anxiety. And it's abnormal to be frustrated and feel helpless when DS and I are both tired and the poor kid is scared.

    I'm so fucking pissed with him today.


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  • What about one of those light up pillow pets? Let him choose a "protector" and when he wakes up he can squeeze it to turn the light on and chase away the monsters.

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  • For the flashlight, any ideas how to keep it from being lost?

    He's had one in the past and I get called in because it's lost in the bed.

    Of course it may have helped him sleep a dozen times I'm unaware of.

    Maybe I'll look for a big one that'd be easy to find today, and figure out how to dim it.


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  • RondackHikerRondackHiker member
    edited October 2014

    I don't necessarily agree that you have to keep getting up with him at night, but maybe I'm the meanest mom ever.

    I am struggling with this.

    What if he's playing me and that's why he's waking?

    But if he's crying for real then I do feel mean.

    He and DD share a room too, which complicates things.

    I'm so indecisive about it.

    edit: just saw your earlier post.


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  • I don't necessarily agree that you have to keep getting up with him at night, but maybe I'm the meanest mom ever.

    I am struggling with this.

    What if he's playing me and that's why he's waking?

    But if he's crying for real then I do feel mean.

    He and DD share a room too, which complicates things.

    I'm so indecisive about it.
    okay so in the above scenarios

    - He's playing you- you won't know until you change your approach- He's crying for real and you feel mean- That's great that he's crying for real.  Kid's aren't exactly logical, rational beings.  He's afraid of bears and monsters.  This is totally normal for a 4 year old.  You, as someone considerably older than 4, know that bears don't typically go into bedrooms and monsters are not real.  So as his mother, even if he is scared, it's on you to plow through because you know the fear is irrational.  
    What I always worry about with these kinds of things is if I'm doing something to create some sort of long-term situation or hangup.  If you truly pander to the "monsters/bears in room" situation, I just worry that it will become worse and then start really impacting lots of behaviors.  You have to just keep your head up and plow through.

    Thank you, @HilarityEnsued‌.


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  • DS1 went through a phase about being scared of monsters. I explained to him that there were no monsters allowed in our house and that mom and dad would keep him safe. I reiterated that whenever he mentioned monsters. I feel like monster spray and checking for monsters might actually play into his fears.
    We also let him sleep with a flashlight. There are only a few times he has lost it and asked us to come find it. I am ok with going in occasionally to help him find it because I know it actually reduces the number of nighttime wake up/freak outs because he feels secure.
  • I'm going to give a big firm hell no to "Monster Spray".  

    I'm thinking you're right. It's just going to feed in, and he will soak the entire room with the stuff.


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  • My middle child is a sleep walker and wakes often.  He is more active during times of stress and when he is growing.  I found that I had to be realistic with my reaction.  It sounds mean, but I just say 'I know you had a scary dream, but you need to get back in bed'.  We do not cuddle or check the room.   Checking the room made it worse because to him checking meant that I agreed that something might be hiding.  No monster spray either.  There are no monsters to spray away.  I do walk him back to his room because often he is not fully awake and I do not want him to get hurt.   Is your son still napping?  If so he might need to drop the nap so his nighttime sleep is less wakeful.   I hope you all get some sleep soon.
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  • What about getting something like this, rather than a flashlight:

    DD sleeps with this every night.  It has a button on the bottom to turn it on, and it turns itself off after 15 minutes or so.  It is just big enough that it is easy to find in the middle of the night for her.  If losing the light in the middle of the night is a big issue, maybe you could fix a velcro strip to the light and then to the bed/side table/etc to stick it to.

    Good luck!

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  • I'm convinced my DS is playing me. I have done all of the above and some.

    This came literally out of nowhere so I'm stumped. It's been about a month and I want to pull my hair out.

    I hope you'll have better luck than I've had. For now, stay strong and know that it will not last forever, whatever it is.
  • Honestly, the best thing that worked for us with MOTN wakings from my kids was to stop any screen time for 1-2 hours before bed.  

    Another method you can try is to give him  a few cards or tokens and if you come into his room in the night, he has to give you one of his tokens.  If he has x number of tokens left at the end of the week he gets a small prize.  

    Good luck, sleep issues are no fun. 

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  • Disney recently released, on DVD, one of their nature movies about bears.  (Do I really need to warn about spoilers in a nature film, just in case)



    No bears die.  It has some tense bear fighting scenes, but no bears die.  There is a mother bear and her two cubs (boy and girl.)  Maybe if he sees the bears as having normal families like his, he won't be scared of them?  I don't know.  Good luck.


     

     

     

     

  • I read how this is common at this age because imaginations run wild and to use that as a tool. When he is calm have him describe what he is afraid of, don't dismiss it, and ask him details. Then have him imagine what will protect him from the bear, be specific, describe it, what it will do etc. DD picked a ninja turtle. So now if she is scared we do a little ninja move and make it silly. I will say that DD so far has been doing this more for attention then actually being terrified.

    I agree with HE though for the middle of the night. I would do a 'sweep' or something else that comforts him before bed, but during the middle of the night, there would be no hoop jumping. Since he is crying and scared, I don't think I could ignore him, but I would go in and not say anything, give a brief cuddle and leave. Getting up that much is utter misery, hope it gets better soon!

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  • Thanks for all the suggestions.

    @TyrannosaurusLex‌ Luckily he doesn't wake up evelyn, at least not usually.

    @notreal2‌ I'll check it out. It's nice to "see" you!


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  • @notreal2‌ I'll check it out. It's nice to "see" you!
    Hello to you
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  • Lurker jumping in here...this might not be the case, but do you think he could be waking and trying to get attention a because of the baby? My DD, also four, went through this after DS was born when she realized I was up with him throughout the night.

    I think it was really upsetting for her to realize not only was she sharing mommy during the day, but he was also getting my attention at night. I try to get him to bed first, so her bedtime routine is only about her. We keep it short, sweet and positive, but it's just her time. And tough love if she wakes at night. For us, she responds to this better with DH than me. She settles much more quickly for him with a quick "You're fine, I love you, now go back to sleep."

    GL, hopefully this phase passes soon!
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