December 2013 Moms

BFing Ladies ~ question about food

For those still BFing (or pumping and bottle-feeding), I am wondering how you are balancing BM and food?  Up until now I have been very loosy-goosy with solids.  I always BF first (upon waking from overnight/naps, and before bed, 5x/day), and then fed solids in between when I had time.....anywhere from 0-3 times per day.  Mostly I've just been focusing on exposing him to all sorts of foods, and not really worrying about balanced meals.

We had his 9 month checkup today, and the doc said that I should start feeding him 3 meals/day + snacks, and that I should give food first, and then BF after if he wants to.  This is such a huge transition, that I'm kind of scared.  I'm a little worried about my supply as well, because when he went down to the 5 feedings, my supply dropped, so I had to add a pumping session before I go to bed, as 6 seems to be my magic number to maintain supply (I use the milk from that pumping session to supplement in the afternoon the following day when my supply starts to dwindle).

Everything I've read says "solids before 1 are just for fun", so I guess I hesitate to make food his primary source of nutrition.  Am I being dumb? 

P.S.  He is right on track with growth/health, so there is no concern of him not having been getting enough calories, or anything like that.
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Re: BFing Ladies ~ question about food

  • I was struggling with this as well. I was really trying to fb before offering solids but my LO really dropped down on her feeds (only nursing 3x during the day before naps and bedtime and 1x at night). Even if I didn't feed her solids, she refused to nurse more.

    So I decided to stop stressing about it (easier said than done) and I am now offering her solids and bfast/lunch/dinner even though she is not nursing before. She does not eat much at lunch and I haven't noticed a supply issue although I did add in a pump when we wake up first thing in the morning bc she won't nurse immediately.
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  • Im pretty much doing the same as you. LO still nurses 7-8 times a day though. I try to feed her solids for breakfast and dinner. I give her food off my plate throughout the day. She's just not interested in food yet so she always ends up eating just a few spoonfuls. BM is definitely her primary food source. I'm not too worried since she's in the 87%ile for weight. TBH, I wish she would be more interested in food because that would make weaning easier. DD1 was always in the 15%ile and she ate so much food at this age that she completely weaned herself by 9 mos. All babies are different and I'm sure our LOs will eventually like food more than boob. We just have to keep trying. As long as you offer food consistently (even if he doesn't eat much of it) you should be fine.

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  • sweett11 said:

    I nurse her when she first wakes up, feed her breakfast a little while later, nurse before her morning nap, usually lunch when she wakes up, snack, nurse before afternoon nap, snack, dinner, nurse before bedtime and also nurse MOTN.

    Same but she also gets a bottle of formula or bm in the evenings since my supply is low esp at the end of the day.

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  • DS is at daycare and they feed him oatmeal cereal in the AM, solids around 11:30, and snack around 3:30. Then we feed him dinner at 6:30. He gets a bottle of breastmilk and some formula mixed in between those meals. I nurse him in the morning and before bed.

    All his meals are spaced out so it's milk and then food about an hour and a half later. My pedi pushed to have 3 meals and snacks at the 9 month appointment too.
  • I've been pretty loose with it and finally buckled down with the meals at 9.5 months.
    Nurse when she wakes
    Oatmeal within 30 minutes
    Sometimes nurse before nap
    Nurse after nap
    Snack
    Lunch
    Nurse
    Dinner
    Nurse before bed
    And MOTN nursing which lately is 2-5x

    And whatever I'm eating she'll get a few bites too
  • We do 3 meals a day. plus snacks. My baby loves his solids. well finger anyway. cant  hovel them in his piggy mouth quick enough. :)

    baby BF 5x a day. unfortunatly 2 of those times are middle of the night. 




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  • Thanks for all the info everyone!
    sweett11 said:

    I nurse her when she first wakes up, feed her breakfast a little while later, nurse before her morning nap, usually lunch when she wakes up, snack, nurse before afternoon nap, snack, dinner, nurse before bedtime and also nurse MOTN.

    Sounds like this is likely where we will end up.....kind of reverse of what we're doing now, food after waking, and BM in between.
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  • sweett11 said:
    I nurse her when she first wakes up, feed her breakfast a little while later, nurse before her morning nap, usually lunch when she wakes up, snack, nurse before afternoon nap, snack, dinner, nurse before bedtime and also nurse MOTN.
    This sounds pretty close to what we do except I find she usually nurses after her nap, not before. I offer milk, but she usually just wants to be put to bed, and likely is full from breakfast/lunch. When she wakes up from a nap she seems to drink a lot.
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  • I was supposed to have my 9 month check up today, but DR cancelled. Arg. I wanted to know too how much food to give because LO will eat ALL day long, I swear. I don't want to over feed her though, so not sure what to do there.
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  • Oo Oo,  I will add my LC told me the other day (went to see her about mastitis) that its fine that LO is getting most of her nutrients from solids now... I was surprised by this, and thought she'd be pushing more BM over solids but she said it sounds like LO is a great eater, weight isn't an issue, and that SOME babies need more BM than others, but that's not the case for all.

    I always thought of "food before 1, just for fun" but hearing her say that helped because I was stressing about the amount LO was drinking. 
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  • I like Kellymom for info.  I always push the milk first, but I have been known to sit him down with some cheerios when I have to get something done before I can sit down & nurse him.

    https://kellymom.com/nutrition/starting-solids/solids-how/

    Here was the section on this topic:

    Should I offer solids before or after nursing?

    What we’re aiming for during the first year is to have solids complementing breastmilk, not replacing it. This means that when solids are introduced the breastfeeding pattern is not interrupted at all, but baby is fed solids in slowly increasing amounts as his appetite increases. Baby will be getting about the same amount of breastmilk as he gets older, with increasing amounts of solids on top of that.

    I think the main point in the matter is maintaining breastmilk as baby’s main source of nutrition throughout the first year. This is important both to baby’s good nutrition and good health. The nutrients in breastmilk are particularly important for growth and development during baby’s first year. In addition, some (but certainly not all) of the health benefits of breastfeeding are directly related to the degree of exclusivity of breastfeeding (the greater the percentage of baby’s diet made up of breastmilk, the greater the health benefit).

    Nursing before (rather than after) the solids is a good way to help keep the transition to solids proceeding slowly so that mom’s milk supply is maintained and baby gets the breastmilk that he needs.

    See also Sustained Breastfeeding, Complementation and Care by Ted Greiner, Ph.D.

    Some reasons to nurse first:

    • Too many solids too early often leads to early weaning, whether or not mom intended to wean early. Giving baby solids first (depending upon how often, how much, etc.) could start you down this road.
    • Many babies, if they eat solids first, will take in less milk afterwards even if they nurse just as long.
    • If you nurse first you don’t really have to worry if you’re giving baby too many solids – you can just go ahead and let her have as much as she wants.

    On the other hand, feeding solids before nursing might work very well for you if:

    • You’re making sure that nursing stays primary by limiting amounts & frequency of solids and increasing both very gradually.
    • You’re planning on weaning early (between 6 and 12 months) or are already in the process of weaning

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  • I'm not BF anymore but our schedule hasn't changed since switching to formula. He always gets milk before he sleeps. So when he wakes in the morning I don't give him a bottle (although, he usually has a bottle around 5/6am. And wakes at 7/730 so it's not like he's went all night). Anyways. So then he has breakfast. And milk before his nap. Then when he wakes up we have lunch. And then gets milk before his next nap. Wakes up and supper will be his next meal. And then another milk feeding before bed.
  • @Jen4033 -- thanks for posting from KellyMom!  That is pretty much the theory that I'd been following, which is why I was surprised for the Pedi to say to make food a priority over BM.  Now I am torn again, lol. 
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  • BoothBaby said:
    @Jen4033 -- thanks for posting from KellyMom!  That is pretty much the theory that I'd been following, which is why I was surprised for the Pedi to say to make food a priority over BM.  Now I am torn again, lol. 

    A prev Pedi we had scoulded me for not giving my DS1 solids after he was 4 mo old. She literally laughed at me to my face when I said I was waiting for 6 mo as that was the recommendation I was reading for EBF babies. She said I was "oh so funny" and then proceeded to tell me how the theory on waiting for solids was "controversial." I never went back to her.  Another prev pedi told me to limit nursings to 15 mins each breast with DS1. That conflicted everything I knew about nursing on demand.

    I'm not saying don't trust your pedi, but I think when it comes to this, you have options. There is no perfect way for everyone, but you will find the perfect way for you. I was really OCD with DS1 about 3 meals a day & he did fine with solids. Today he is a terrible eater & there is a really short list of foods he will eat. This time around I am going with BLW... I nurse him at normal times & then letting him eat afterwards as he sees fit. On the weekends he will often get maybe 2 meals outside of nursings. I have yet to get into his 9 mo appt for his check up, but recent sick visits the Drs we have seen have mentioned how he was looking to be doing great (outside the cold/nose/pink eye whatnot we were there for in the first place. :) )

    Don't stress too much! :)

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  • Was just pointed to this helpful site from Dr. Jack Newman regarding infant solids and breastmilk as they approach the 1 year point :) 
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  • My little guy does 24 oz a day at daycare, alons with baby food mixed with oatmeal at breakfast and lunch. We feed him purées at dinner, so that he gets in the habit of eating with us. I don't always nurse before dinner, depends on if he is acting hungry or not. Our milk feedings didn't drop off when we added in solids, he still takes the same amount of milk, just with food as a supplement
  • lifesaverzlifesaverz member
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    My Pedi suggested the same thing as far as feeding solids before BFing, particularly because she knows I want to wean at a year. I've been working on doing that but our schedule is still kinda weird. Right now it looks like this:

    - morning feed (between 5-6am usually, & if it's before 6 she usually goes back to sleep for awhile)
    - big bowl of oatmeal around 8ish?
    - 9:30 nurse before nap
    - noonish: solids lunch (fruit purée)
    - nurse right after
    - nurse before afternoon nap at 2:30/3ish
    - nurse at 5:30
    - dinner solids at 6
    - nurse before bed at 7:30.

    Like you, 6 seems to be my magic number. As you can see we DO feed solids first at lunch time, & that has helped her eat more solids which is good, because overall she just has never eaten a lot of it. Breakfast was never an issue because that's the one solids meal she has always done great with, & it's so far after my initial morning feed anyway. Dinner I still nurse her first, but only because otherwise if I nurse after solids then it's just too close to my last nursing session of the night. And of course then dinner ends up being when she will barely eat any solids - usually 1/2 a jar.

    K is still such a milk baby, & she does okay with solids but if I skip a nursing session she'll wake up in the MOTN to make up for it. It makes me nervous about weaning since we only have 2 more months til she's one. I actually wish she was more into food, it would really help make the transition easier.
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