August 2014 Moms

Overwhelmed/discouraged with BFing... Need support

Hi everyone! Sorry to say I've been a lurker up until now. Some quick background... My DD was born on 8/15 via c section after a 24 hour labor and needed antibiotics. She came down with thrush shortly after birth. She's 5 weeks now and we are still treating the thrush. It doesn't seem to be bothering her... Just a pain to get rid of!

I tried to exclusively BF but she is not able to latch without a shield. We recently found out she is lip tied on top but the pediatrician said it shouldn't be affecting her latch and we don't need to address it. I have not been producing enough and have had to supplement with formula. A lac consultant has been coming to help and told me I should be pumping after every feeding , at least 8x/ day, to increase my supply. I also started taking fenugreek but haven't seen much improvement yet. She also told me to BF every 2 hours at night but between all of the above tasks and DD taking about an hour to eat between BFing and the bottle, we would be getting next to no sleep. So I have been letting her sleep and feeding her every 4 hours at night. Every 2-3 during the day.

I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar situation? I'm so overwhelmed between trying to pump, remembering to take the fenugreek, DD's medication, keeping on top of cleaning bottles, and breastfeeding with the shield. I have not been able to pump enough between all of that and of course taking care of the baby! I'm close to giving up on BFing and going right to pumping and supplementing with formula, but I would rather not give up. Any success stories/ advice? Or advise on when to say enough is enough and give in to pumping exclusively? I'm just feeling so discouraged and tired :/

Re: Overwhelmed/discouraged with BFing... Need support

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  • Welcome. Sorry you are having a rough time. I have had some bad days when I wanted to give up. I'm not an expert, but I would say if you aren't rested you aren't going to produce. I have only met one lc I liked who I felt listened to me. So I would take the advice that makes since for you and disregard what sounds crazy. Try things but don't drive yourself crazy.
  • First of all-welcome and congrats on your LO! I mainly lurked and recently started posting more but the ladies on this board are awesome (and the babies are the cutest!). I'm sorry you are going through this-newborns are hard enough when everything is going right. It sounds like you are doing everything you can for your LO. Be sure you are drinking TONS of water (I have to drink over a gallon daily), eating enough, taking your prenatal, etc. I believe fenugreek can take up to a couple weeks for full effect. There are also some prescription meds that can help with prolactin levels to increase supply. You can also add oatmeal and dark beer to your diet for a boost. Most importantly, don't beat yourself up-all that matters is that LO is loved and fed, breastmilk or not.
  • I had major problems too - it was so hard I almost gave up. BUT I'm so glad I didn't because it's so much easier now! Try and hang in there because there usually is a point where it tips over from being hard to being easy.

    A good tip is to look at your bub/or pics of him or listen to him crying as you are expressing because it stimulates more milk. 

    Good luck! 
  • Thanks ladies, it's nice to hear that others have dealt with similar situations. I may take her to the dentist to have her lip tie looked at. Sillermoon, what was it like to get the tie clipped? I'm nervous it's going to hurt the LO...
  • First off, Welcome! Congrats on the baby! I'm sorry you're having a hard time. 

    I agree that the lip-tie needs to be fixed. Absolutely it could be affecting the latch if your LO doesn't have enough upper lip movement, the whole suck and suction could be off!

    My DS was lip-tied but never had any problems nursing, so I didn't notice it until his front teeth came in.  My pedi never noticed it until then either.  She sent him immediately for an ENT consult (which was scheduled for the same weekend as my wedding reception, so we had to reschedule three months out). By that point, DS had self-weaned, and after a particularly nasty faceplant off the steps, the ENT decided it wasn't obstructing his lip movement. She said it didn't even appear to be anchored between his teeth any longer.  But his teeth are gapped.  We're hoping his adult teeth come in closer, otherwise we're looking at braces.  The point is, lip-tie might not always affect latch (clearly) but in your case, it very possibly could be.  Ask for a referral to someone who knows about it.

    In regards to whether getting the lip-tie clipped hurts, the simple answer is yes, a little.  I had mine clipped when I was 11.  My dentist did it.  What I remember happening, and what actually happened are two completely different things.  It hurt as the anesthetic wore off, and for a couple hours after.  But I took children's Tylenol for the pain.  So while I remember it being this horrible thing (and let me emphasize, I was the QUEEN of drama as a kid!!!!) it really wasn't that bad.  I took one dose of Tylenol and brushed around it carefully for a day or two.  But it's always better to have it taken care of young, especially before the teeth come in.  Because I was lip-tied, my front teeth had a humongous gap between them.  I had braces to fix the gap, but my teeth separated after I got the braces off and I still have a small gap.  Being lip-tied can also affect speech, if it is bad enough.  So it definitely warrants a second opinion from someone who knows how to handle it. 

    Bfing is hard.  When you throw in all the different complications you have been dealing with, it's only harder! I'm so sorry. 

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  • There has been some great advice offered so I'm just going to say, hang in there, it does get easier and for sure get an appointment with someone for the lip/tongue tie! It can DEFINITELY make bf'ing much, much harder, diminish supply, and cause slow weight gain. *hugs*
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  • We had LOs tongue and lip tie fixed with a laser. The laser cauterizes the would so that it doesn't really bleed. LO cried during the procedure but stopped immediately afterwards.. We also had to do some exercises so that the ties didn't come back, LO doesn't like those either but stops fussing immediately after the exercises are done. The laser also numbed the wound for her while the procedure was being done. Wherever you go to get it fixed, make sure they we're recommended to you by a well regarded lactation consultant.
  • DON"T GIVE UP! 

    My first baby had no problems with breastfeeding so I was so surprised when I had baby #2 and he has struggled.  It was a latch problem at first and then after seeing a lactation consultant after quite a few nights with no more than 2 or 3 hours of sleep, she said he was tongue tied and to get it fixed. We did and it has made a WORLD of difference for us :)  He's eating and sleeping better.  A 2 minute procedure was all it took!   PS I am taking fenugreek, and drinking a tea called Shavarti Cardamom to help with milk supply.  I'd love to pump but my little guy has some days where he just cluster feeds (last night from 5pm til 9pm) so I don't have a chance to. That being said if you have to pump and feed him breast milk through a bottle so be it. I'd also look into your little ones lip tie and whether or not correcting that would make a difference.  I sometimes do that during our night feed and my lactation consultants advice was go ahead and do whatever is going to make you a better mom :)  Good luck and best wishes :)
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