October 2013 Moms

HTSa AP child abuse allegations

Jalee85Jalee85 member
edited September 2014 in October 2013 Moms
After Adrian Peterson suffered the loss of his son last year, I'm really disappointed to hear that he is being brought in front of a grand jury for child abuse. The gist is that he punished his child the same way he was punished as a child. I am/was an AP fan. I am so sad that he didn't realize spanking a child with a switch was a bad idea, and now he may pay with his career. Does he deserve to be punished for this ? What is your opinion ? I also would have never taken Peterson with the #1 draft pick if I knew this was going on. There goes my fantasy team!

From ABC news

MINNEAPOLIS — Authorities in Texas issued an arrest warrant Friday for star Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson after he was indicted on a charge of child abuse for using a branch to spank his son. He was swiftly benched by his team for this weekend's game against New England.

Peterson's attorney, Rusty Hardin, said that the charge in Montgomery County, near Houston, accuses Peterson of using a switch to spank one of his sons. Hardin said Peterson didn't mean to hurt the boy, whose injuries and age were not disclosed.

"Adrian is a loving father who used his judgment as a parent to discipline his son. He used the same kind of discipline with his child that he experienced as a child growing up in East Texas," Hardin said.

"Adrian has never hidden from what happened. He has cooperated fully with authorities and voluntarily testified before the grand jury for several hours," he said. "Adrian will address the charges with the same respect and responsiveness he has brought to this inquiry from its beginning. It is important to remember that Adrian never intended to harm his son and deeply regrets the unintentional injury."

The Vikings, about an hour after issuing a statement acknowledging the case, said Peterson would be on the inactive list Sunday for their home opener against New England. Houston police and authorities in Montgomery and Harris counties declined comment.

Peterson will have to surrender to authorities, but there is no timeline for when he will appear in Texas, Hardin said.

"We are just obligated to try to get it done as soon as possible, which we intend to honor," he said.

Peterson is in his eighth season, all of them with the Vikings. Widely considered the best running back in the league, he has rushed for 10,190 yards and 86 touchdowns in his career.

The allegations against one of the NFL's biggest stars came during a week in which the NFL has been under heavy criticism and scrutiny for the way it handled a domestic violence case involving former Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice and his then-fiancee. Commissioner Roger Goodell initially suspended Rice for two games, but he was suspended indefinitely this week after a longer version of security video surfaced showing Rice punching her in the face.

Critics are also closely watching how the league proceeds in the cases of Carolina Panthers defensive end Greg Hardy and Ray McDonald of the San Francisco 49ers, both still playing with domestic abuse cases pending. Hardy was convicted July 15 of assaulting a woman and communicating threats, but is appealing. San Jose police are still investigating an Aug. 31 incident involving McDonald.

The NFL didn't immediately respond to a request for comment on Peterson's situation.

Peterson did not practice on Thursday because of what coach Mike Zimmer called a "veteran day," allowing experienced players to rest, but Peterson was at the team facility that day and spoke to reporters about the upcoming game against the Patriots.

He returned to practice on Friday and was in the locker room following the workout with the rest of his teammates for lunch. Shortly thereafter, Peterson posted a message on his Twitter account that said in part: "It's your season! Weapons may form but won't prosper! God has you covered don't stress or worry!"

A man who identified himself as Peterson's uncle, Chris Peterson, answered the door at the running back's home in Eden Prairie, Minnesota, and said Peterson wasn't there and that the family had no comment.

Peterson grew up in little Palestine, Texas. When he was 7, his 8-year-old brother Brian was riding his bicycle when he was killed by a drunk driver. Years later, his half-brother, Chris Paris, was shot and killed the night before Peterson worked out for scouts and coaches at the NFL combine.

His mother, Bonita Jackson, was a former Olympic sprinting hopeful and his father, Nelson Peterson, spent eight years behind bars for laundering drug money yet still managed to be a positive influence on his son's life.

"I told him to always introduce himself, look a man in the eye, give him a firm handshake and say, 'I'm Adrian Peterson,'" Nelson said at the Pro Bowl in 2009. "Respect others. That will take you a long way in life."

Peterson rushed for 2,960 yards and 32 touchdowns during his senior season at Palestine High School, then racked up an NCAA freshman record 1,925 yards in his freshman season at Oklahoma in 2004. He hasn't looked back, even with some bumps in the road.

Last season, not long after finding out that he had a 2-year-old son living in South Dakota, Peterson rushed to the hospital after authorities said the boy was brutally beaten by his mother's boyfriend. The boy died, and a 28-year-old man is scheduled to go on trial next month on second-degree murder charges in the case.

Hardin, the defense attorney, is a familiar name in sports circles. He successfully defended Roger Clemens in his recent perjury trial over the alleged use of performance-enhancing drugs and two years ago represented Los Angeles Lakers forward Jordan Hill, who was sentenced to one year of probation after pleading no contest to assaulting his former girlfriend.

He has worked with Peterson before, too: In 2012, he said Peterson was the victim after the player was charged with misdemeanor resisting arrest following an incident at a Houston nightclub.

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Re: HTSa AP child abuse allegations

  • I felt the same way. I don't know the full details and am not an advocate of spanking but I hate how reactionary the league was about this. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? He is accused and is benched? Maybe there is more to this than what I currently know but this rubs me wrong. I feel like the league is in hot water with the Ray Rice business and are covering their own tail.

    As for AP, I don't agree with spanking with switches and the discipline is definitely going out of style, but as long as no damage was done (true injury, broken skin, scars) I feel like this falls under parenting choice. Again, I don't know all of the details but what I read yesterday didn't sound particularly bad. These words may bite me if this is actually a lot worse than what I am currently picturing.
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  • Also, when he lost his son a while back I read a lot about the lengths AP goes to to see his kids and the legal fights he has gone through to increase his time with his kids. That is definitely influencing how I percieve this.
  • Switches =/= branches tho..

    From what I read the allegation is that he "removed leaves from a branch to use for spanking."

    This also happened in Texas where corporal punishment is still allowed in schools. So a principal can spank with a paddle but a parent with a paddle cannot?

    (Can you tell how much I want this news to not be that bad!?)
  • Did you see the picture of the child?

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  • Did you see the picture of the child?

    No. I am surprised they would release one of a 4 year old. Is it bad?
  • The pictures were leaked of the mark ( I'm sure someone's getting fired). As a therapist I am anti physical discipline but I think there is absolutely no way that a switch or object should be used and if a mark is left it's pretty serious.
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  • tencheer said:

    Did you see the picture of the child?

    No. I am surprised they would release one of a 4 year old. Is it bad?
    Yes.

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  • I am sad for his son to experience this and also sad that he will have to live his life with images of something so personal shared.
  • I don't know any of the details of this case nor have I seen the photos, but I think this whole story is sad and I hate seeing a player that I previously respected in a whole new light.

    Hummm... As I typed this his mugshot flashed on the screen. Why is he smiling?
  • edited September 2014
    I was definitely switched when I was younger, but like 10+. WTH AP!?

    ETA: I'm not saying it's okay at any age, just sharing my experience.
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  • Reports claim that the child suffered lacerations to his hands, back, butt, thighs, and testicles. There is a text from AP admitting that he "got him in the balls" once. I don't have a problem with reasonable discipline, but the child was 4 years old, not clothed, and had injuries enough to warrant doctors to report it as abuse. 


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  • So wait, you're telling me that all professional athletes aren't upstanding citizens? This is an outrage!

    Frankly, I think the hero worship of athletes is pretty gross. Sure, they're good at their game, but some of them have done some pretty awful things. I don't know where I'm going with this, just wanted to leave it here.

    I agree with all of this.
  • catycate said:
    First of all, no matter what your past is or how you raised, you are entirely able to use a different way to raise your child. Second of all, he drew blood. Blood. On a 4 year old. That is an indication that the way you are disciplining has crossed to abuse. Respect lost. And I'm seriously side eying people who are defending him.
    This. All of this.

    Using a switch/branch/object on a child to the point of drawing blood is abuse.
    People who abuse children are bad.
    Therefore this person is bad, regardless of who he is or whatever else he does.
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  • This horrifies me. And even pre-pictures, I have to wonder, if he wasn't a famous athlete would there even be ANY kind of debate about a child being switched?
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  • Jalee85Jalee85 member
    edited September 2014
    wedding06 said:

    So wait, you're telling me that all professional athletes aren't upstanding citizens? This is an outrage!

    Frankly, I think the hero worship of athletes is pretty gross. Sure, they're good at their game, but some of them have done some pretty awful things. I don't know where I'm going with this, just wanted to leave it here.


    THANK YOU! I hate the hero worship and I think it is ridiculous that he is being defended by saying "this is how he grew up". That's bullshit. Does he live under a rock and somehow not know that this crosses the line?
    Uhm the this is how he grew up if his defense, and until you grow up in an environment were switches are used on the daily, and then they send their own kids to school bloody. You just will never get it. My Mom was a Teacher at Adgail Gardens one of the worse projects in Chicago switching happened even in the school. The principal would let the parents come and. "Punish" them in the bathroom. It's sad and horrible but the mentality of these children they really may not know better. One time a girl came in with blood bleeding through the back of her clothes. My Mom personally took her to the principals office and went to call CPS. The principal told her that is just our way you are white and don't get it, so my Mom called CPS on her cell phone instead. The girl was taken to the hospital but given back to her mother right away. The school had to get rid of 20 teachers that year and my Mom was informed that her services were no longer needed after the school year.
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  • catycatecatycate member
    edited September 2014
    Jalee85 said:
    So wait, you're telling me that all professional athletes aren't upstanding citizens? This is an outrage! Frankly, I think the hero worship of athletes is pretty gross. Sure, they're good at their game, but some of them have done some pretty awful things. I don't know where I'm going with this, just wanted to leave it here.
    THANK YOU! I hate the hero worship and I think it is ridiculous that he is being defended by saying "this is how he grew up". That's bullshit. Does he live under a rock and somehow not know that this crosses the line?
    Uhm the this is how he grew up if his defense, and until you grow up in an environment were switches are used on the daily, and then they send their own kids to school bloody. You just will never get it. My Mom was a Teacher at Adgail Gardens one of the worse projects in Chicago switching happened even in the school. The principal would let the parents come and. "Punish" them in the bathroom. It's sad and horrible but the mentality of these children they really may not know better. One time a girl came in with blood bleeding through the back of her clothes. My Mom personally took her to the principals office and went to call CPS. The principal told her that is just our way you are white and don't get it, so my Mom called CPS on her cell phone instead. The girl was taken to the hospital but given back to her mother right away. The school had to get rid of 20 teachers that year and my Mom was informed that her services were no longer needed after the school year.

    I don't understand what you're saying here. So you think that's a reasonable defense? And because we're white we will never get it? I do get it. I get that there are problems with institutionalized poverty and growing up in an urban setting. Doesn't make it a defense or excuse.
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  • Jalee85Jalee85 member
    edited September 2014
    catycate said:


    Jalee85 said:

    wedding06 said:

    So wait, you're telling me that all professional athletes aren't upstanding citizens? This is an outrage!

    Frankly, I think the hero worship of athletes is pretty gross. Sure, they're good at their game, but some of them have done some pretty awful things. I don't know where I'm going with this, just wanted to leave it here.


    THANK YOU! I hate the hero worship and I think it is ridiculous that he is being defended by saying "this is how he grew up". That's bullshit. Does he live under a rock and somehow not know that this crosses the line?
    Uhm the this is how he grew up if his defense, and until you grow up in an environment were switches are used on the daily, and then they send their own kids to school bloody. You just will never get it. My Mom was a Teacher at Adgail Gardens one of the worse projects in Chicago switching happened even in the school. The principal would let the parents come and. "Punish" them in the bathroom. It's sad and horrible but the mentality of these children they really may not know better. One time a girl came in with blood bleeding through the back of her clothes. My Mom personally took her to the principals office and went to call CPS. The principal told her that is just our way you are white and don't get it, so my Mom called CPS on her cell phone instead. The girl was taken to the hospital but given back to her mother right away. The school had to get rid of 20 teachers that year and my Mom was informed that her services were no longer needed after the school year.



    I don't understand what you're saying here. So you think that's a reasonable defense? And because we're white we will never get it? I do get it. I get that there are problems with institutionalized poverty and growing up in an urban setting. Doesn't make it a defense or excuse. Would you excuse a person who ran dogfights? Because that's another socioeconomic problem that middle and upper classes don't get but it sure isn't excused.


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    Nope I was actually telling a story that happened to my Mother. The principal told her that she just couldn't get it because she is white.

    I'm very saddened to hear that AP abused his son. I would have hoped that the fame and exposure to a different environment he was exposed to after his fame would have made him realize they this "discipline" is wrong and in fact abuse.

    He obviously didn't and now has to face the consequences. I am guessing that where he is being tried his "defense" will hold some clout. As many people say I was beat as a kid and I'm fine.
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  • @Doveyluvr‌

    I thought last night DH said that he pushed a smaller child off a bike and hurt them. Still not justifying it there is no justification for this, but that is what DH said last night.
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  • Jalee85Jalee85 member
    edited September 2014
    Great explanation @crunchymama11‌ It truly is a cultural thing. Still not excusable but it's hard to know something is wrong when a whole community deems it normal.
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  • Jalee85Jalee85 member
    edited September 2014
    The girl who I mentioned in the above story with my Mother as the teacher. She was beat because she didn't fold the laundry correctly.
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  • Ok, but as far as the poverty thing goes, he is no longer in an environment or community like that. AP is a wealthy man now and likely lives by other wealthy people. So isn't he seeing another way if living and raising children?
  • Ok, but as far as the poverty thing goes, he is no longer in an environment or community like that. AP is a wealthy man now and likely lives by other wealthy people. So isn't he seeing another way if living and raising children?

    That is where my disappointment comes in. You think if any one would have a good chance of learning from a parents mistake. He would have been in that position.
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  • Jalee85Jalee85 member
    edited September 2014
    Also this is just a saying . I'm not saying I agree, but a common saying at my Moms school was. "You can take the kid out of the ghetto, but you can not take the ghetto out of the kid" this was often said by the principle because parents would pull their kids and try and get them in better school systems but sadly this majority of them would be expelled within the month for aggression. I know saying ghetto is probably a bad word to use maybe even hurtful for some, but this was just the reality of the teachers and were they taught and lived. My Mom is still haunted by her experience working at that elementary school. There was absolutely 0 regard for the welfare of the children. If AP grew up in an environment with similar ideals. Then I do think that his defense might be considered a somewhat valid one.

    ETA - really really hoping this doesn't come off the wrong way. I personally believe any child in the right environment will prosper. Unfortunately these kids parents still beat them and treated them the same and they did not do well in a different environment.
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