October 2013 Moms

Another breastfeeding and alcohol article - thoughts?

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edited September 2014 in October 2013 Moms

Virginia Bar Closes Woman’s Tab Because She’s Breastfeeding

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Re: Another breastfeeding and alcohol article - thoughts?

  • A bar in Virginia is facing some scrutiny after it closed a woman’s tab without her asking. The woman wasn’t overly drunk or acting erratic; she was breastfeeding.

    Crystal McCullough brought her daughter to Big Woody’s in Chesapeake, Virginia this week to celebrate closing on a new house, she told a local Fox affiliate. She sat with her family breastfeeding at the table. “I had one sip of beer and was not planning on the rest until after I was done nursing,” she added in an interview with WTKR. She had also ordered a shot of whiskey that she hadn’t yet drank. That’s when employees of the bar cut her off, citing complaints from other customers.

    One of the owners of the bar admitted to WAVY.com that his staff could have handled the situation better, and that there was some confusion over whether McCullough was being cut off because she was drinking, or simply because she was breastfeeding in public.

    “Our concern was for the child, really that’s what it is,” he said.

    But to McCullough, that’s still not a good reason. “I don’t deny that I had alcohol and was breastfeeding,” she told Fox, “but it’s how I went about it and how I always go about it that makes the difference.”

    Leaving aside public perception, there are no clear guidelines on whether women can drink while breastfeeding. While no one thinks a woman should be plastered while caring for a child, doctors including the American Academy of Pediatrics believe that drinking in moderation while breastfeeding is totally acceptable. The Academy does, however, suggest that the breastfeeding woman should wait two hours for the alcohol to clear her system.

    In a sense, McCullough is lucky that the public scorn over her choice to drink and breastfeed only led to getting the check a little too early. A mother in Arkansas was thrown in jail after restaurant patrons noticed she was drinking a beer while breastfeeding and called the cops. Indeed, there is a growing trend of criminalizing how pregnant and breastfeeding women behave in the name of public health. Another woman in Montana was charged with criminally endangering a child this week, for example, because she tested positive for drugs when she was just 12 weeks pregnant.

    The laws that allow these harsh punishments that seem out of step with the potential harm done are known as fetal harm laws, and exist in 38 states. The group National Advocates for Pregnant Women has found thathundreds of women have been stripped of custody or put in jail using these laws. While some punishments are rightful, and while no one is advocating for permissive attitudes toward harming a child, charges meted out under the laws are disproportionate: a huge majority of the women losing custody or getting jail time are African-American.

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  • WeljadraakWeljadraak member
    edited September 2014
    I know that it's okay to drink while bf but I just choose not to. However, that last sentence pisses me off.
    I know.  I don't understand its relevance.  
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  • I wonder if this is in- line with the woman who lost custody of her child, because she was working and her kid was at the park alone, with a cell phone. I remember the same remark about this happening to African-American woman....
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  • I wonder if the last sentence is trying to say that, assuming white or other races of women are being arrested or charged for violating these laws at about the same rate as African American women, the African American women are receiving harsher punishments? I have no idea if that's true or not. The way it's worded is strange. But I wonder if they are implying something similar to how the mandatory minimums for using crack are exponentially higher than they are for using regular cocaine. IDK.
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  • I'm not really sure how doing hard drugs while pregnant can be compared to having a beer while breastfeeding.

    I guess it doesn't say they were hard drugs that she tested positive for, now that I read it again, but I was thinking of the woman in TN whose baby was born addicted to cocaine or meth or something.
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  • jgslr said:
    It's relevant because their being singled out and losing custody while others are not for doing the very same thing. It's fucked up. 
    Right.  I think the author is trying to demonstrate this by saying the laws are "disproportionate."  I can see why she didn't expand on it but if she had we would know for certain what she is implying. Is she implying there is prejudice or is she implying more African-Americans partake in criminal behavior?  It's only speculation because she did not elaborate.  Perhaps it is safe to assume she means the former, but then again, it's never totally safe to assume.
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  • WeljadraakWeljadraak member
    edited September 2014
    jgslr said:
    There's also a weird misconception that nursing mothers must eat/drink the same as a pregnant woman. They are not the same thing...obvs but I've had to educate serval people IRL who seem to think this too.
    Just about to say this.  People don't fully understand breastfeeding.  Unless they are breastfeeding, why would they?  They wouldn't know that by the time baby nurses again, given the mother has only had 1 beer and 1 shot, her milk should be fine.  Also, she might have a bottle JIC, you know?  
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  • Also throwing this out there that the top comments on FB were anti-mother, like, why is she drinking? and a bar isn't an appropriate place for a baby.  
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  • jgslr said:


    It's relevant because their being singled out and losing custody while others are not for doing the very same thing. It's fucked up. 

    Right.  I think the author is trying to demonstrate this by saying the laws are "disproportionate."  I can see why she didn't expand on it but if she had we would know for certain what she is implying. Is she implying there is prejudice or is she implying more African-Americans partake in criminal behavior?  It's only speculation because she did not elaborate.  Perhaps it is safe to assume she means the former, but then again, it's never totally safe to assume.

    By saying "charges meted out under the laws are disproportionate" I think the author of this article strongly implies that it is due to prejudice, not actual actions of breastfeeding women. Also, I take issue with it being called "criminal behavior" because a woman of the appropriate age enjoying a drink is not criminal behavior.

    Also, if you want to consider all sides of what the author may have been implying, you can't discount the idea that maybe she was implying more African-American women breastfeed, or do so in public. I say this to play devil's advocate, but it's the same idea.
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  • No, drinking is not criminal behavior but child endangerment is, which is what the law covers.  I'm not saying the women getting arrested are rightfully or wrongfully so but that's what they are talking about in the article.
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