Trouble TTC

Clomid vs Femara

Morning, ladies. I haven't been very active here throughout the last few weeks (months?), but I am always lurking.

So, 3 follistim IUIs proved to be unsuccessful. My previous RE is who started us on follistim rather than oral meds. My response and DHs numbers were always great
My current RE, who oversaw this last IUI, is supportive of us moving on to IVF, but also keeps insisting that we're likely to get pregnant with IUI or naturally if we have it in us to keep trying. However, it's been 2 years since our last pregnancy (loss).

I was adamant that I was not investing anymore time or money into IUI...until I realized that my RE is more awesome than originally thought. He's wanting to code all monitoring as diagnostic, rather than treatment, thus having that paid for by insurance. We also have a significant credit now. So, we can do some IUIs for "free".
He suggested trying clomid or femara to switch things up.
Any thoughts or preferences to either med?

Sorry for the long explanation!

4 Losses (2003, 2008, Apr 2012, & Oct 2012)
All RPL and IF testing with multiple REs = normal

5 IUIs = BFN

All AL are welcome
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Re: Clomid vs Femara

  • Thanks, @DarcyHermione‌ :-)

    4 Losses (2003, 2008, Apr 2012, & Oct 2012)
    All RPL and IF testing with multiple REs = normal

    5 IUIs = BFN

    All AL are welcome
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  • That is great that your RE is willing to help out as needed. I have taken both Clomid and Femara. On Clomid I was very emotional and had hot flashes while taking the medication and a few days after. On Femara I have had one side effect and it's was only on my fist cycle (about to start my third) of a headache for a few day and that was about it. Good luck with whichever you go with.

    Me (29), DH (38)

    Oct 2009   - Married
    Aug 2011   - Started TTC
    Jan 2012   - OB Referred to RE
    Feb 2012   - RE Visit #1
    Apr 2012   - HSG (Normal), PCOS - DH SA (low count and low motility)  
    June 2012   - Provera, Clomid, TI - BFN
    July 2012   - IUI #1, Provera, Clomid 50mg, Trigger Injection - BFN
    Aug 12 - Feb 14 - Break
    Feb 2014   - New OB referred to new RE
    Mar 2014   - New RE visit #1
    Apr 2014    - TSH  level elevated, need to retest.
    May 2014   - TSH retested, higher than 1st test. Start on Synthroid. DH SA (Normal)
    June 2014   - Start on DHEA, CO-Q10, New brand of Prenatals
    July 2014   - Cycle came on its own, b/w on CD2, TSH (normal), Femara CD3-CD7, CD14 - u/s + Ovidrel + baby aspirin regimen. IUI #1 B2B on CD15/16 - BFN

    August 2014 - u/s on CD3 normal, Femara CD3-CD7, u/s CD12, Ovidrel on CD13. IUI #2 B2B on CD 14/CD15 - BFN.

    September  2014 - u/s on CD3 normal, Femara CD3-CD7, u/s scheduled for CD12

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  • Thats really awesome that your RE is willing to help you like that. 


    I prefer femara because I had less side effects. Did he have any other rational for switching you from injects to oral meds besides changing things up? Maybe getting fewer follies, reducing risk of multiples? It seems like an odd progression to me is all. 
    I agree on the progression. He had no other rationale other than to try something different. I'll probably try 1 cycle of oral meds and then switch back if I don't like the way it goes

    4 Losses (2003, 2008, Apr 2012, & Oct 2012)
    All RPL and IF testing with multiple REs = normal

    5 IUIs = BFN

    All AL are welcome
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  • Your RE sounds amazing. What a blessing!!

    I know I'm probably in the minority, but I've taken both and respond MUCH better to clomid. There are definitely some hot flashes that come along with it but I usually get two perfect follies a cycle. Oral meds are so cheap in comparison to injects...if your RE thinks it's worth trying, seems like it's worth a shot! Good luck!

    Me (29) DH (37)

    Married 7/11

    Actively TTC 3/12

    DX: PCOS

    Current treatment: Break from IUIs until after the holidays

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  • No matter how awesome it would be for the RE to code differently to save me money for give me a "credit" for treatments, I would want to know his rationale for oral meds making a difference if injects didn't work and you've been trying without a pregnancy for 2 years?

    But it seems like no harm in trying. Unless you could use that "credit" to help pay for your IVF, in which case that is the option I would seriously lean toward given the high chance of success. I know that trying injects + IUI a couple times still has higher chances than trying to continue oral meds + IUI after a few (3-6) failures, but I never heard that going the opposite direction has any history of success.

    I would also want to know his rationale for using this as an appropriate treatment after your repeated losses. Has he done anything to look into what may be a cause and give you any kind of preventative treatment that might be appropriate? That's what would make me think he was an awesome RE. :)
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    IUI #1 ICI #1 - June | IUI #1.1 Laparoscopy - Aug
    IUIs #1.2, 2, 3 - Sept, Oct, Nov (Letrozole) - BFNs 
    IUI #4 - Dec (Bravelle) | IUI #5 - Dec/Jan (Bravelle) - 5 follies + TI - BFNs
    IUI #5.1 - Jan (Bravelle) Cancelled 
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  • No matter how awesome it would be for the RE to code differently to save me money for give me a "credit" for treatments, I would want to know his rationale for oral meds making a difference if injects didn't work and you've been trying without a pregnancy for 2 years?


    But it seems like no harm in trying. Unless you could use that "credit" to help pay for your IVF, in which case that is the option I would seriously lean toward given the high chance of success. I know that trying injects + IUI a couple times still has higher chances than trying to continue oral meds + IUI after a few (3-6) failures, but I never heard that going the opposite direction has any history of success.

    I would also want to know his rationale for using this as an appropriate treatment after your repeated losses. Has he done anything to look into what may be a cause and give you any kind of preventative treatment that might be appropriate? That's what would make me think he was an awesome RE. :)
    @BunnyBerry‌ I completely understand everything you're saying. Based on all of my previous testing , which is everything under the sun with 3 different REs, there are absolutely no answers for IF or the RPL.
    Even chromosomal testing of one of the pregnancies was normal. So, even IVF with PGD wouldn't give us assurance of a successful pregnancy
    I think at this point, with minimal cost, he's encouraging us to try a few more IUIs before biting the bullet and investing so much in IVF. Even with more IUIs, the majority of the credit will be left and yes, could be put towards IVF.
    He doesn't so much think oral vs injects will make much of a difference, but I think more so was offering them as a cheaper option than injects, if we needed a break from that cost

    4 Losses (2003, 2008, Apr 2012, & Oct 2012)
    All RPL and IF testing with multiple REs = normal

    5 IUIs = BFN

    All AL are welcome
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  • Makes sense. :) I like Femara for few side effects, but it gets annoying to have exactly one follie each time. 
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    Married - July 2008 | Started TTC - Jan 2009RE Visit #1 - Mar 2014 
    IUI #1 ICI #1 - June | IUI #1.1 Laparoscopy - Aug
    IUIs #1.2, 2, 3 - Sept, Oct, Nov (Letrozole) - BFNs 
    IUI #4 - Dec (Bravelle) | IUI #5 - Dec/Jan (Bravelle) - 5 follies + TI - BFNs
    IUI #5.1 - Jan (Bravelle) Cancelled 
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  • Makes sense. :) I like Femara for few side effects, but it gets annoying to have exactly one follie each time. 

    Hmmm, less side effects vs less follies. Damn IF

    4 Losses (2003, 2008, Apr 2012, & Oct 2012)
    All RPL and IF testing with multiple REs = normal

    5 IUIs = BFN

    All AL are welcome
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    edited September 2014
    I have done 3 rounds of clomid and 1 of Femara. 

    Clomid made me a huge bitch, cry a lot, Night Sweats, Nightmares, and I just hated it! I was not monitored when I took Clomid (terrible I know bad bad bad me!) So I cant say about Follies (but I didnt get KU soooooo)

    This cycle is my first Femara cycle it gave me some of the worst headaches I have had in recent years. This, however, was my only side effect. As for follies I had 2 that were actually growing (at last monitoring they were small 11&13 but I am a late Oer and they tested me on CD12 and CD15)  
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    Pcos Dx 7/13 Metformin 500mg x2 daily
    4/14 Provera  10days  then Clomid 50mg CD5-9 (BFN)
    5/14 Provera 10days then Clomid 50mg CD5-9  (BFN)
    6/14 (no provera yay!) Clomid 50mg CD5-9  (BFN)
    7/14 Natural Cycle Moving on to RE appt not til 7/31 (BFN)  
    8/14 Plan of action! Moved up to 1500mg Metformin, Femara 3-7 (Trigger canceled due to not big enough follies and holiday weekend) (BFN)
    9/14 7.5mg Femara CD3-7 +ovidrel  (BFN)
    10/14 5mg Femara(3-7) Follistim 75 (7-9) +Ovidrel +TI (last treatment cycle this year Breaking til after Holidays) (BFP! Beta #1 114, Beta #2 364)
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  • I feel a ton better on femara...this is my second cycle.  I did 4 cycles with clomid (50 mg, 100 mg, and then two 150 mg).  I had some bad spotting...like 10 days straight on my last cycle of clomid.  I had more follicles on 150 mg of Clomid though.  I had 3-4 those two cycles and 1-2 with femara.  
    Me (29), DH (32)
    Aug 2011  - Married
    Jan 2013   - Started TTC
    Jan 2014   - OB started some testing 
                         - HSG - Normal
                         - Ultrasound - Normal
                         - SA - Normal, but tested positive for Ureaplasma
                         - Both of us on antibiotics to treat ureaplasma
                         - Blood work - progesterone: 15.9, TSH: 0.89, FT4: 1.2, Prolactin: 33.4 
    Feb 2014   - Endometrial Biopsy - Normal
    Mar 2014   - Prolactin: 22.9, referred to RE
    Apr 2014   - First RE appointment, put on medication for high prolactin levels 
                      - Clomid (50 mg) 1 follicle, Trigger shot - BFN
                      - Second SA - All Normal, borderline morph (5%) 
    May 2014   - Clomid (100mg) 2 follicles, Trigger shot - BFN
                      - blood work: Estradiol: 32.7, FSH: 5.3, Prolactin: 14.1
    June 2014  - IUI #1, Clomid (150 mg), 3 follicles, Trigger shot - BFN 
    July 2014   - IUI #2, Clomid (150 mg), 4 follicles, Trigger shot - BFN
    Aug 2014   - IUI #3, Femara 2.5, 3 follicles, Trigger shot (first time done by DH!!) - BFN
                      - Hysteroscopy - Normal
    Sept 2014 - IUI #4 Femara 2.5, 1 follicle, possibility of another one, Trigger shot - BFN
                       -Progesterone test 4 DPIUI - 7.8...started crinone.
    Oct 2014 - IUI #5 Follistim 150 3 possibly 4 follicles - Trigger Shot - BFN
    Oct/Nov 2014 - Follistim 150 with TI & Trigger shot - ???

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