February 2015 Moms

Discussion: Judging others choices as parents

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Hmmmmmm...thoughts?  This guy is clearly a jerk.  That is my initial thought.

Also, I really hope I'm not this wound up about food choices (as the jerk dad).  I mean, I get wanting the best for your kids...but...come on.  And if you are that wound up about it, then be quietly wound up about it.  No need to insult a complete stranger.

Also, also: have our expectations of parents reached unreasonable levels?  Am I the only one who finds the expectations/micromanaging expected of parents today to be ludicrous?  OR will people like me just be lazy parents?

EDIT: Also, has anything like this happened to anyone else on here?  A stranger loudly judging your parenting abilities/choices?  If so, how did you handle it?  How did you feel about it?

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  • I knew people in the military who were raised on super strict diets. One guy was never allowed to have red meat or soda. Every morning he had 3 helpings of bacon for breakfast with his coke and dinner was whatever was made of pig or cow and a coke.

    I highly doubt all kids will respond that way but the ones I know did. I let my son have the "bad" foods sometimes because I want him to experience it. As he grows is my job to teach him about nutrition and why these are sometimes foods.

    There is a lot expected it of parents today because we're supposed to be like ours mom's and grandma's while still being different and better than them. I think we put this pressure on ourselves though because we compare ourselves to other parents. Personally, as long add your child is happy and healthy that's all that should matter.

    I have been mom shamed by family at family events for teaching my kid to be stuck up or letting him act a certain way. My grandmother IL shamed for saying seepies instead of sleepies to my then 5 month old. I repeated myself until she stopped trying to correct me. I either ignore it or respond in a very snarky manner.
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  • Hey PHUCK that Aussie prick.

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  • I think living a life inundated with social media has made it almost acceptable to be judgment of others. 

    My general life philosophy is you have know idea what they are dealing with.  When you see a 5 second snapshot of some else' life you have absolutely no right to make a judgement on that person and their life and I think teaching our children to always judge and react in judgemental ways is quite shameful.  

    More often than not there is a hell of a lot more to the story than you see (the same can be said for most "news" articles these days too).   

    This isn't just a parent thing this is a life issue.
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  • What an ass. More pretzels for the rest of us who love junk food and won't deny it to our children on occasion.
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  • Definitely unrealistic expectations of parents today!!
    I think Pinterest has made things like birthday parties a ridiculous event that I do not partake in for my own children. Ce la vie, they will live ;)
    As for the article, EFF THAT NOISE. Ella's fave snack is a soft pretzel and she will get them on occasion when we go to Disney. 
    The worst parenting judgement I have encountered was from my last BMB, in regards to sleep training and CIO. And I let people know that I was not having any of that nonsense judgement. Also, I think I have a bit of a bitch face so if anyone has ever judged my parenting choices, they are probably weary of approaching me about it. ;)
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  • OMG, if the author were a friend of mine, I'd be yelling and yelling and yelling at her for even trying to justify what that man said in any possible way. First off: your choices are your choices. Secondly, not only is it rude as hell to publicly admonish anyone for their choices, it also specifically puts a parent in a terrible situation, because if their kids overhear, it's potentially this huge discussion of "are you feeding us something bad, why would that man say that, did he not like us..." etc. Which you would think another parent would KNOW!

    Finally: it's a damned pretzel. I couldn't stop rolling my eyes over all that "I know it's terrible, I was in an unusual bind" BS, because: It. Is. A. Pretzel. I feed my kid pretzels whenever I feel like it because pretzels are yummy. What a jackass.

    PS realizing upon reflection that maybe the dad was in his own situation, where his kids are always asking him for unapproved food? But there are better ways to say no than teaching them to put others down.
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  • I can think of 200 worse things you can eat in a food court than a soft pretzel and I'd never judge a mom for feeding her kids that either. There are things i dont like my kid to have but that is MY decision as her parent. I dont care about the choices of others. My kid gets occasional treats like happy meals, soft pretzels and chips. If youd like to side eye me while she is having her occasional treat that is your issue. She normally is a very healthy eater and loves her veggies. I teach her that moderation is key!

    I feel bad for the girls who can never try a soft pretzel ffs.
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  • I love mall pretzels. The closest mall to us is an hour away so I don't have them often. IMO it's better to let yourself have an occasional treat than to wear yourself out trying to be perfect all the time. Last time I was at the mall I was having a serious pregnancy craving for an Auntie Anne's pretzel with cheese sauce so I got one. It wasn't enough. I literally got right back in line and ordered a second pretzel "to go" (so it would look like I was taking it to someone else). It was all for me and I loved every minute of it.
  • I decided long ago that I don't compare other people's lives to mine. Everyone has their own problems, visible and invisible.

    Doesn't stop me from silently judging, but remembering that I don't know the whole story.

    That man was a douche canoe. I'm sure he had his own justification as to why he thought it would be ok to try to shame a weary mother at the mall. And I have my reasons for judging him for putting work ahead of a family outing.


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  • @thegoodpotato    I totally agree with your response and am glad to see your kids are the same ages as mine. I've rarely left my kids in the car.  Not b/c I think it's unsafe at all, but because I'm afraid someone will call CPS on me.  People have gotten so damn nosy and suspicious.  I don't know how someone can see a 6 year old walking by themselves and assume that b/c in their opinion it's unsafe, that the parent must be neglectful.  Calling the police or CPS can do so much harm to a family; people had better know that there is major abuse going on before they step in change someone's life drastically.  And I totally agree that kids deserve the freedom that we had when growing up.  Those who don't agree should read the book "Free Range Kids" as it gives lots of statistics and shows how badly we typically assess risks nowadays.    

    I recently got a little lecture from a cashier about letting my 3 y/o go 10 ft away from me to stand at the redbox and look at the movie posters while I checked out.  It was busy at the moment, but she said she'd just seen a movie where a child got taken in a second.  So she's putting her unrealistic paranoia on me. 

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  • Dad could have had some class and been like "sorry not today" instead of giving a nutritional seminar in a mall. Also if you're older than 17 you're too old to shop at hollister. There I said it.

    Sometimes sanity comes in a red box with a yellow M on the front or in a blue bag with a pretzel.

    She got her kids outta the house and gave them her attention. Took them out on an adventure. Didn't pop them in front of the TV.
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  • I made soft pretzels for dinner yesterday. I do what I want.
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  • I got judged once at a National's baseball game while nursing DD. She was 10 months or so, and I wasn't using a cover. A female security guard said, "please cover up, that's disgusting and this is a family pace!!"

    I just froze. I was on an escalator and she wasn't, so I didn't have time to think. Later, I had great, mommy-blog-worthy come-backs like, "I am feeding my family," or "why don't you put a blanket over YOUR head if you don't like it." But I was shocked and embarrassed, and then later embarrassed of my own non-reaction.
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  • Hmmm...I've caught myself judging before.  But not to this extreme.  As a FTM in the past I feel bad when I judge because I don't have kids.  There are times for concern.  For example.  My family owns a restaurant.  I judge when parents come in with children under the age of 8 or so after 8 PM for dinner.  To me I always ask shouldn't those kids be in bed? I wouldn't have judged in this case.  When it comes to lifestyle choices like this to each their own.  When I was growing there was no organic or glueten free shit.  We ate what we wanted.  I turned out find and healthy.  I think that to me its a lot of hype.  Your child needs to be happy.  To me a comment like that from the father in this story could end up making the children very high strung in the future.  What if these children grow up and go to a party where there aren't the healthiest of choices to eat.  Are they just gonna sit there and starve.  Start preaching to the crowd.  Yeah that would concern me more.
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  • Am I the only one who didn't think the guy was a complete asshole?


    Hear me out: Yes, the pretzel was benign and not a big deal to us, but I am a firm believer in family rules.  Growing up, there were many things I wasn't allowed to do that my peers were allowed to do, in varying stages of "fairness" from climbing trees to eating straight up candy before dinner.  What the rules were, were not the point.  My parents instilled in me that while your friend may do those things, that is not what we do in our household.  The way I read the article, the father was reminding his kids of their household rules.  He didn't say to the woman you shouldn't feed the pretzel to your kid, he said to his children you may not have a pretzel.  TO me, it's kind of like having a conversation with your friend telling them you think rompers are an absolutely heinous fashion choice for a grown woman, and someone walks by wearing a romper.  Are they "shamed" because I don't like what they're wearing?  No one smacked the pretzel out of her hand.  Grow a spine about your parenting choices and feel confident in those decisions.

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  • smg2302 said:
    Am I the only one who didn't think the guy was a complete asshole?


    Hear me out: Yes, the pretzel was benign and not a big deal to us, but I am a firm believer in family rules.  Growing up, there were many things I wasn't allowed to do that my peers were allowed to do, in varying stages of "fairness" from climbing trees to eating straight up candy before dinner.  What the rules were, were not the point.  My parents instilled in me that while your friend may do those things, that is not what we do in our household.  The way I read the article, the father was reminding his kids of their household rules.  He didn't say to the woman you shouldn't feed the pretzel to your kid, he said to his children you may not have a pretzel.  TO me, it's kind of like having a conversation with your friend telling them you think rompers are an absolutely heinous fashion choice for a grown woman, and someone walks by wearing a romper.  Are they "shamed" because I don't like what they're wearing?  No one smacked the pretzel out of her hand.  Grow a spine about your parenting choices and feel confident in those decisions.
    While I agree with you're point.  I do think the father could have had a bit more understanding of his surroundings.  The was no need to say it loudly in front of the woman.  He could have walked his children away and told them.  He had no care in the world who was around him to hear and who he was offending.  If I were to voice my opinion in public like that I would be a little be more aware of who was around me. 
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  • schnitz9 said:


    smg2302 said:

    Am I the only one who didn't think the guy was a complete asshole?


    Hear me out: Yes, the pretzel was benign and not a big deal to us, but I am a firm believer in family rules.  Growing up, there were many things I wasn't allowed to do that my peers were allowed to do, in varying stages of "fairness" from climbing trees to eating straight up candy before dinner.  What the rules were, were not the point.  My parents instilled in me that while your friend may do those things, that is not what we do in our household.  The way I read the article, the father was reminding his kids of their household rules.  He didn't say to the woman you shouldn't feed the pretzel to your kid, he said to his children you may not have a pretzel.  TO me, it's kind of like having a conversation with your friend telling them you think rompers are an absolutely heinous fashion choice for a grown woman, and someone walks by wearing a romper.  Are they "shamed" because I don't like what they're wearing?  No one smacked the pretzel out of her hand.  Grow a spine about your parenting choices and feel confident in those decisions.

    While I agree with you're point.  I do think the father could have had a bit more understanding of his surroundings.  The was no need to say it loudly in front of the woman.  He could have walked his children away and told them.  He had no care in the world who was around him to hear and who he was offending.  If I were to voice my opinion in public like that I would be a little be more aware of who was around me. 

    I also feel like "we don't eat those kind of foods" is a far cry different from the I'd rather let you die than eat that fat, nasty food type speech he gave his kids. I think more what he said and how he said it was what was offense as opposed to putting his foot down as a parent.

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  • smg2302 said:
    Am I the only one who didn't think the guy was a complete asshole?


    Hear me out: Yes, the pretzel was benign and not a big deal to us, but I am a firm believer in family rules.  Growing up, there were many things I wasn't allowed to do that my peers were allowed to do, in varying stages of "fairness" from climbing trees to eating straight up candy before dinner.  What the rules were, were not the point.  My parents instilled in me that while your friend may do those things, that is not what we do in our household.  The way I read the article, the father was reminding his kids of their household rules.  He didn't say to the woman you shouldn't feed the pretzel to your kid, he said to his children you may not have a pretzel.  TO me, it's kind of like having a conversation with your friend telling them you think rompers are an absolutely heinous fashion choice for a grown woman, and someone walks by wearing a romper.  Are they "shamed" because I don't like what they're wearing?  No one smacked the pretzel out of her hand.  Grow a spine about your parenting choices and feel confident in those decisions.
    I think he could have told his children without saying it loud enough for her (and her children) to hear. I have to tell my child he can't have things he sees all the time due to his peanut allergy, but I don't say, "No, son, that will KILL YOU!!!!!" in front of the other kids. I wouldn't want to freak them out. 
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  • I was very judgemental as a FTM until DS1 was about 18 months old. I was a SAHM and he was pretty much my world. He ate only the best food, was always wearing clean and pressed clothes, his hair always looked nice, and his face and hands were never sticky. I had 2 changes of clothes and a minimum of 5 diapers with me at all times. I was BSC.
    When he was 18 mo, we were on a flight home from Thanksgiving with the in laws. There was another couple in the airport with a baby. Their baby was just wearing a onesie and didn't even have socks or a blanket. I didn't comment, but gave them the side-eye and thought they were pretty terrible because their baby was going to be so cold. It was almost Dec! On that flight, DS1 had 3 explosive poops, and he peed all over me. When we landed, he was wearing a diaper, a jacket, and his socks and shoes. Needless to say, I learned my lesson. I empathize with other parents and unless they are abusing/ neglecting their kids, I probably won't judge them.
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  • everam01 said:
    smg2302 said:
    Am I the only one who didn't think the guy was a complete asshole?


    Hear me out: Yes, the pretzel was benign and not a big deal to us, but I am a firm believer in family rules.  Growing up, there were many things I wasn't allowed to do that my peers were allowed to do, in varying stages of "fairness" from climbing trees to eating straight up candy before dinner.  What the rules were, were not the point.  My parents instilled in me that while your friend may do those things, that is not what we do in our household.  The way I read the article, the father was reminding his kids of their household rules.  He didn't say to the woman you shouldn't feed the pretzel to your kid, he said to his children you may not have a pretzel.  TO me, it's kind of like having a conversation with your friend telling them you think rompers are an absolutely heinous fashion choice for a grown woman, and someone walks by wearing a romper.  Are they "shamed" because I don't like what they're wearing?  No one smacked the pretzel out of her hand.  Grow a spine about your parenting choices and feel confident in those decisions.
    I think he could have told his children without saying it loud enough for her (and her children) to hear. I have to tell my child he can't have things he sees all the time due to his peanut allergy, but I don't say, "No, son, that will KILL YOU!!!!!" in front of the other kids. I wouldn't want to freak them out. 
    I totally hear you and respect that completely.  I guess my thought process is "Why is this article worthy?"  Dad was a bonehead, but the writer (IMO) overreacted.

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  • I want a pretzel now. :(

    I wasn't allowed to eat soft pretzels growing up. You think I can have one now?
  • smg2302 said:
    everam01 said:
    smg2302 said:
    Am I the only one who didn't think the guy was a complete asshole?


    Hear me out: Yes, the pretzel was benign and not a big deal to us, but I am a firm believer in family rules.  Growing up, there were many things I wasn't allowed to do that my peers were allowed to do, in varying stages of "fairness" from climbing trees to eating straight up candy before dinner.  What the rules were, were not the point.  My parents instilled in me that while your friend may do those things, that is not what we do in our household.  The way I read the article, the father was reminding his kids of their household rules.  He didn't say to the woman you shouldn't feed the pretzel to your kid, he said to his children you may not have a pretzel.  TO me, it's kind of like having a conversation with your friend telling them you think rompers are an absolutely heinous fashion choice for a grown woman, and someone walks by wearing a romper.  Are they "shamed" because I don't like what they're wearing?  No one smacked the pretzel out of her hand.  Grow a spine about your parenting choices and feel confident in those decisions.
    I think he could have told his children without saying it loud enough for her (and her children) to hear. I have to tell my child he can't have things he sees all the time due to his peanut allergy, but I don't say, "No, son, that will KILL YOU!!!!!" in front of the other kids. I wouldn't want to freak them out. 
    I totally hear you and respect that completely.  I guess my thought process is "Why is this article worthy?"  Dad was a bonehead, but the writer (IMO) overreacted.
    Well, the writer only wanted to get some blog hits. If that happened to me I would have loudly told my children that pretzels are a delicious sometimes-treat and that if they were starving I would feed them whatever I could get my hands on :) 
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  • jmcgra06 said:
    I got judged once at a National's baseball game while nursing DD. She was 10 months or so, and I wasn't using a cover. A female security guard said, "please cover up, that's disgusting and this is a family pace!!" I just froze. I was on an escalator and she wasn't, so I didn't have time to think. Later, I had great, mommy-blog-worthy come-backs like, "I am feeding my family," or "why don't you put a blanket over YOUR head if you don't like it." But I was shocked and embarrassed, and then later embarrassed of my own non-reaction.

    Depending on your state its totally legal to breastfeed in public. I would have made a scene if someone had been so rude to me.
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  • If I had been me, I would have loudly declared to my children that the pretzels were amazing and so delicious. I know my kids and they would have chimed in too and raved about them. The dad could feel superior but his kids would certainly resent him for at least 5 minutes.
  • I was much more judgey of parents before I had my own child.

    Now I have certain rules for DS that I expect everyone to follow (no juice, hat and sunscreen whenever outside, etc). Everyone who takes care of him may not agree but I expect my rules to be followed.

    On the flip side, you can do what you want with your children as long as you are trying your best not to let them be a nusanse. Feed them what you want and I will feed my kid what I want.
  • foxslaw said:

    I want a pretzel now. :(

    I wasn't allowed to eat soft pretzels growing up. You think I can have one now?

    No! Not even if you're STAHHVING!
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