Milk makes me very sick?...

Re: Milk makes me very sick?...

• TheStormCloudAngel member

  August 2014

  I don't believe that raw, unpasteurized milk is good for pregnant women if I my research and OB are correct. I wouldn't suggest trying it. Even your cheese should be made from pasteurized milk. As for what works as a replacement for milk, I would try both the almond and soy to see what is best in your case.

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• hayleymesmer member

  August 2014

  Thanks alot, i think i will try almond, hopefully i wont get too sick again >_<

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• erobbins09 member

  August 2014

  So crazy... Because I have been obsessed with milk. Like it's the elixir of life or something. A glass in the am with breakfast (and it helped when I took my prenatal.. With water I feel sick, milk nope). A glass as dessert before bed. Sometimes with MS I would run downstairs and chug from the jug.
  
  My guy said that the two of us should not need to start buying 2 gallons at the store.. But we may get there.
  
  The funny thing is pre-pregnancy I only kept a half gallon for recipes and used almond milk in my coffee/oatmeal...

  
  

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• aggiebug member

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  ckimberley14 said:

  The pasteurization process is what causes store-bought milk to set off my lactose intolerance. I drank at least a cup of raw milk each day while pregnant with my twins. None of us suffered any ill effects. My OB didn't discourage me from drinking it, either. Maybe since raw milk is so readily available from local farms where I live, she's aware of the recent research about its safety and benefits. The stigma surrounding raw milk is mostly spread by misinformed and otherwise invalid sources. If you'd like to learn more, OP, send me a message. I'd be happy to help you out!

  Raw milk is not safe for a normal healthy person t drunk let alone someone who is immune compromised.
  
  It is actually illegal to sell in most states because of the dangerous health risks.
  

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• modernfairytale8709 member

  August 2014 edited August 2014

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  aggiebug said:

  The pasteurization process is what causes store-bought milk to set off my lactose intolerance. I drank at least a cup of raw milk each day while pregnant with my twins. None of us suffered any ill effects. My OB didn't discourage me from drinking it, either. Maybe since raw milk is so readily available from local farms where I live, she's aware of the recent research about its safety and benefits. The stigma surrounding raw milk is mostly spread by misinformed and otherwise invalid sources. If you'd like to learn more, OP, send me a message. I'd be happy to help you out!

  Raw milk is not safe for a normal healthy person t drunk let alone someone who is immune compromised. It is actually illegal to sell in most states because of the dangerous health risks.

  
  _______________________________________________ This is a grossly overgeneralized statement. The pasteurization process was mandated in the US because the onset of large, factory farms introduced disgusting conditions prone to causing harmful infections in cows. It was less expensive to boil away the pathogens than mandate inspections and bring all these "farms" up to standards conducive to healthy animals Raw milk from clean, healthy animals is fine. IMO, you should always research where your food comes from. Making informed choices is the healthiest thing you can do for your family. ::steps off soapbox:: I know raw milk is controversial, and if you don't know exactly where it's coming from, don't drink it. If you're not comfortable drinking it, don't drink it. But don't make broad statements declaring it unsafe. ETA: I'd like to strike my "don't make broad statements..." line, because I realize that's trying to dictate your responses and that makes me rude. My apologies. State whatever you want, because I have that privilege, too.

  

  

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• aggiebug member

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  @modernfairytale8709‌ that is entirely false. Pasteurization became popular and recognized as having drastic health benefits before large dairy farms became the norm. The requirements for pasteurization is on a state by state basis hence why you can get raw milk in some states and not in others. Yes their are national programs in place to make sure that milk sold in a typical store is pasteurized but it is not federally mandated.
  
  You are much more likely to have organisms such as Listeria in milk from smaller dairies than you are from the large dairies who have much better protocols in place for monitoring the cattle and the milk.
  
  People die from drinking raw milk the prevalence is just so low because the number of people in our country who drink raw milk is nominal. That doesn't make the risks any less.

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• Amaryllismagic member

  August 2014

  We used to get raw milk from a local dairy - it was so delicious!! I miss those days :-)

  
  

  I look at it the same way I look at raw sushi or deli meat during pregnancy. If you have a reputable source that you've already been using prior to pregnancy, with no issues, then do whatever you are comfortable with! However, now might not be the best time to start experimenting, as there is a higher risk of bacteria with unpasteurized milk.  

  
  

  
  

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• aggiebug member

  August 2014

  Amaryllismagic said:

  We used to get raw milk from a local dairy - it was so delicious!! I miss those days :-)

  
  

  I look at it the same way I look at raw sushi or deli meat during pregnancy. If you have a reputable source that you've already been using prior to pregnancy, with no issues, then do whatever you are comfortable with! However, now might not be the best time to start experimenting, as there is a higher risk of bacteria with unpasteurized milk.  

  But that isn't true with raw milk. Proper sanitation eliminates many pathogens but some are literally in the milk when it comes out of the cow. It's not contaminated afterwards so sanitation practices don't help. Pasteurization does.
  

  Love is like infinity: You can't have more or less infinity, and you can't compare two things to see if they're "equally infinite." Infinity just is, and that's the way I think love is, too.
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• aggiebug member

  August 2014

  Think mastitis which they watch for but it's always apparent.

  Love is like infinity: You can't have more or less infinity, and you can't compare two things to see if they're "equally infinite." Infinity just is, and that's the way I think love is, too.
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• HeyStVincent member

  August 2014 edited August 2014

  Here's a little info on raw milk:

  https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/nonpasteurized-outbreaks.html
  

  The moral of the story of the CDC study: 

  What did the study show?

  Raw milk was much more likely to cause outbreaks than pasteurized milk.

  • During 1993–2006, 121 outbreaks reported to CDC were caused by dairy products where the investigators could determine if the dairy product was pasteurized or unpasteurized (raw). These outbreaks included 4,413 illnesses, 239 hospitalizations, and 3 deaths.
  • 73 outbreaks (46 from fluid milk and 27 from cheese) were caused by raw milk, and 48 outbreaks (10 from fluid milk and 38 from cheese) were caused by pasteurized milk.
  • Probably no more than 1% of the milk consumed in the United States is raw, yet more outbreaks were caused by raw milk than by pasteurized milk.
  • If you consider the number of outbreaks caused by raw milk in light of the very small amount of milk that is consumed raw, the risk of outbreaks caused by raw milk is at least 150 times greater than the risk of outbreaks caused by pasteurized milk.

  Then there is this recently conducted (but very small) study from Stanford Medical school - the quick and dirty is here: https://time.com/17483/study-shows-once-and-for-all-that-raw-milk-doesnt-help-lactose-intolerance/

  
  

  The study is here: https://annfammed.org/content/12/2/134.full

  
  

  And the premise for why Stanford did the study is here: 

  Background: An increasing number of Americans are choosing to consume raw, unpasteurized milk rather than conventional pasteurized milk. Several health claims are made by raw milk enthusiasts. Many or most of those claims are anecdotal and remain untested, including the claim that lactose intolerant adults can enjoy raw milk with minimal to no symptoms.

  Objective: Determine if lactose maldigestion and symptoms of lactose intolerance are lower when consuming Raw milk vs. conventional pasteurized milk.

  The Stanford study should be taken with a grain of salt because it is so small - it's too easy to get a significant result (going one way or the other) when the N number is so small.  A larger study is really needed to find any solid correlations.

  Anyway, I totally get what get what some of you are saying about knowing where your milk is coming from, and I agree that it's good "anecdotal" logic.  I've eaten plenty of unpasteurized cheeses at restaurants in Chicago and have never gotten sick.  I used to work at a restaurant that pretty much only served unpasteurized cheeses.  However, given the CDC analysis, I'm still going to tell my prenatal patients absolutely no unpasteurized milk or cheese and will avoid it myself - especially during pregnancy.
  

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• ckimberley14 member

  August 2014

  I think @modernfairytale8709 said it best: decide what's best for you, OP. There's a substantial amount of scientific data on the flip side to the debate over raw milk, too. If it's something you seriously want to know more about, there's plenty of information out there for you to make the decision that is best for you. Hope almond milk works for you! I can't drink it right now for some reason. It never bothered me before, but now I get the same reaction like when I drink pasteurized milk.  :-/

  
  

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• Amaryllismagic member

  August 2014

  aggiebug said:

  We used to get raw milk from a local dairy - it was so delicious!! I miss those days :-)

  
  

  I look at it the same way I look at raw sushi or deli meat during pregnancy. If you have a reputable source that you've already been using prior to pregnancy, with no issues, then do whatever you are comfortable with! However, now might not be the best time to start experimenting, as there is a higher risk of bacteria with unpasteurized milk.  

  But that isn't true with raw milk. Proper sanitation eliminates many pathogens but some are literally in the milk when it comes out of the cow. It's not contaminated afterwards so sanitation practices don't help. Pasteurization does.

  I did not intend to compare the handling of milk to the handling of deli meat, I was making a comparison in how I view the risks of consuming something that most doctors advise against. You are very educated in this subject and completely right!! Pasteurization is the key to preventing food-borne pathogens in milk and is FDA mandated for a very good reason.  But there will always be people who make different choices for themselves and they have the right to do so. I'm sure the OP appreciates hearing from both sides so that she can make an educated decision.

  
  

  
  

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• EdenAurora member

  August 2014

  https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/27/health/raw-milk-campylobacter-illness/

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• lilybug319 member

  August 2014

  I couldn't drink milk or really any dairy product with my first pregnancy. My doc had me start supplementing with some calcium and vitamin D pills. So maybe you can try that if you get tired of yogurt all the time or almond or soy milk.

  

  
  

  
  

  
  

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• MamaS516 member

  September 2014

  @krysmill omg I'm the exact same way. People think it's so odd , but as long as it's chocolate milk I can drink it.

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• Biscotto member

  September 2014

  I'm the same. I never drink milk but I do add it to coffee or tea, the few times I've done it I've been sick after. Just avoid it!

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• Biscotto member

  September 2014

  I'm the same. I never drink milk but I do add it to coffee or tea, the few times I've done it I've been sick after. Just avoid it! Only a few more months!

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• hayleymesmer member

  September 2014

  Well after reading all the comments i have chosen to try almond milk and i dont get as sick as i used to. I think ill stay away from raw, ive never had it and i dont think i ever will just to be on the safe side of health lol just incase

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