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"single" mom, DD acting out

DH is an engineer/project manager who is currently working on a huge road project 45 minutes away. He leaves at 6:00 before DD wakes up and gets home at 9:00 after she's gone to bed. He has been doing these hours 6 days a week since June and will be doing 7 days a week starting in September until October 31.

DD is 2.5 y/o, DS is 6 months old. I am back at work full time (8-4 M-F). DS goes to one daycare full time and DD alternates between her regular daycare and DS's daycare until the end of this week and then they will both go to DD's regular daycare full time (due to daycare space issue). Lots of change for DD.

DD has been acting out. She seems to have trouble with transitioning from one place to another. She doesn't want to leave me in the morning, she doesn't want to leave daycare in the evening. Yesterday she had a huge meltdown at daycare pickup; I couldn't even reason with her. In the end I had to throw a bit of water on her to get her to snap out of it. Last night for the first time she climbed into our bed in the middle of the night.

Is this an age thing? Is it because of the daycare alternating? Because of her not seeing daddy for days on end? I feel for her because it must be hard, but this is just our life in the summer and I can't let her get away with tantrums like yesterday's just because daddy is gone because this won't change for years. I'm very careful to not complain about DH being gone and am definitely solid as a "single" parent, so I don't think it's me rubbing off on her.

Re: "single" mom, DD acting out

  • I think it's age and shifts in daycare more than Daddy being gone. My dad was an engineer who worked on huge pipeline projects in places like Alaska and Saudi Arabia. He would be gone for long periods of time. (Think months, not days.) My brother and I just accepted it as normal. When you don't know anything different, you don't think to judge the situation. My DD just turned 2 and she is a hot mess about transitions. Heck, this morning she didn't want to go downstairs. Normally she just doesn't want to leave our house. And doesn't want to leave Grandma's at the end of the day.
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  • Just asked about Skyping, and no he can't. Good idea though.
  • amy052006 said:
    IDK, I think expecting a 2.5 to just roll with that, even if it's your norm, is unreasonable.  You aren't "letting her get away with it" -- that is how 2.5 year old deal with crazy shit.

    Climbing into your bed, also completely normal. DS1 started doing this, and he sees us all the time.  How you deal with that is a parenting decision, but it's age appropriate and normal.

    Coupled with throwing water on her, and well, I think the best thing is to just get a better grasp about how 2.5 year olds act.
     
    So how do I support her while communicating that loosing it is not reasonable behaviour? Especially when, like yesterday, I can't get through to her because she won't stop yelling/crying.
  • Just asked about Skyping, and no he can't. Good idea though.


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    I think this is a bit ridiculous. I'm also an an engineer/project manager. This year Jan through April I traveled every week M-F. The days were long 12-14hrs.  However, I had a standing rule that I facetimed with DH & DD before he put her to bed. Yes, we missed a few nights due to "emergencies" I had. Yes, we had to adjust the time around some nights based on how things were going that day for me. But, 90% or more we made it happen. 

    And we made it happen because I made it a priority and DH&I both felt it was very important to DD (20-24months) because she isn't able to really take part or understand phone conversations.  

    It's possible that his boss is douchy enough not to let him take 10min, but I find it highly unlikely as it doesn't sound like he's an hourly employee/shift worker. I think If I was you I would press your DH on exactly why he can't make this work...

    All that said I think your DD's behavior has very little to do with your DH's absence and whole lot more with how 2.5yr olds act and the very typical reactions she is having to transitions.
  • I will text DH now to see if there is anything he could do to touch base with her during the day. This is his first big project and I think he's worried that shit will hit the fan if he isn't there when the construction crew is there (the contracted crew he has working for him is very out to lunch - think, tearing down the WRONG side of the road, not putting up signage to indicate to traffic that the road ends, that type of stuff).
  • amy052006 said:
    IDK, I think expecting a 2.5 to just roll with that, even if it's your norm, is unreasonable.  You aren't "letting her get away with it" -- that is how 2.5 year old deal with crazy shit.

    Climbing into your bed, also completely normal. DS1 started doing this, and he sees us all the time.  How you deal with that is a parenting decision, but it's age appropriate and normal.

    Coupled with throwing water on her, and well, I think the best thing is to just get a better grasp about how 2.5 year olds act.

    First of all, sorry you are dealing with this OP.  I can't imagine DH working long hours like that, so props to you.  Anyways, I think @amy0520006 said it perfectly. I do think part of it is normal for her age, but she's also been through a lot of changes recently and that's a lot of a stuff for a little kid to handle at one time.  

    I agree with @cjcouple that when mom says its time to go, its time to go. As for the bed thing, just me personally, I would take her back to her bed and snuggle or let her stay and snuggle in your bed.  Yes, maybe it could create a bad habit, but she probably is craving some one on one time especially since her dad has been gone.  Again, that's just me.
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  • My son is a lot younger but the transition thing with daycare is hard. I try and sit with him for a few minutes and engage him in play now before we go home. This way he can digest that I am there- which means it's time to go home and I am not just yanking him out of there. Sometimes we still leave with him fighting and crying but I try and ease the situation as much as possible. 
  • I think that it is normal for some kids and may have nothing to do with the changes that are occurring. It could be her personality.
    When I had just DS, I would have answered differently. He was so easy going and I would have viewed your situation through that lens and assumed it was the situation.
    But now, having experienced my DD, who gets pissed if I look at her sideways, I wouldn't assume she is reacting to the change.
    I don't have any great advice but hang in there, you are not alone.

    Sometimes when DD is throwing a tantrum and I am not able to calm her down, I back off and let her go at it for a few minutes. Usually if she is at this point, she doesnt remember why she is upset and i cant reason with her. I then get on her level and ask her quietly if she needs a hug. Seems to work at those desperate times and she nods, walks over, and settles down.
  • I just asked DH if he could try to either leave later or come home earlier so that she can see him once a day. He said he would try. Hopefully he can/does and it helps out. I will also try to spend more 1 on1 time with her by putting DS down earlier.

    This whole experience makes me VERY sympathetic to single and divorced parents and their kids.

  • Even with no major changes in routine, we had epic meltdowns both at drop off and pick up around that age.  It's simply the age.

    The best tantrum advice I was given was make sure they can't hurt themselves and then ignore it.  That's realistic up to a point, if your are at home for instance.  Public tantrums are handled by removing DS from the moment.  That may mean I am dragging him from a store while he screams and kicks hysterically.  Then I let him finish it in the car.  There is no talking him down.  He eventually stops and apologizes.  

    Regarding meltdowns at drop off- the teachers are great about taking him from me and letting me leave.  Staying never calms him down.  (This is a version of removing from the situation.)  They have consistently reported back that he stopped crying right after I left.  

    Where splashing water is not the route to go, you were onto something with breaking her concentration.  Try to find a positive way to do it and it just might work. 
  • Trust me I understand. My DH is deployed and I have a 3.5 and a 2 year old. It is tough, and toddlers are jerks. That being said, I think you really need to change your approach. I know that tantrums are frustrating and embarrassing, but they are a tiny child's way of dealing with big emotions that they don't know how else to deal with. Of course if your kid is having a tantrum about not getting a cookie you shouldn't give them a cookie, but if your kid is melting down because she has a lot of turmoil in her life you shouldn't throw water on her. I think a hug and some empathy in the situation you described would have gone a long way.

    I thought I was going to be the tough parent that didn't let my kids get away with stuff. I quickly realized that the hard-ass approach was causing way more problems then it was solving. If my kids are throwing a tantrum for attention I will ignore it, but if they are having a tantrum because of a meltdown I will scoop them up and hold them without saying anything for a few minutes. And then we talk about it - I understand that you were angry when x but we can't do y. This approach has made a huge difference. I can't actually remember the last time that either of my kids had an actual tantrum. I would check out this site - https://www.ahaparenting.com/ages-stages/toddlers/toddler-tantrums

    Realistically whether your DH was around or not you would be dealing with some level of this, all 2 year olds go through it at some point. I know how hard it is to keep your cool though when you don't get a break. GL, hopefully you can see some improvement soon.

    DD Nov 2010 ~ DS June 2012
  • amy052006 said:
    IDK, I think expecting a 2.5 to just roll with that, even if it's your norm, is unreasonable.  You aren't "letting her get away with it" -- that is how 2.5 year old deal with crazy shit.

    Climbing into your bed, also completely normal. DS1 started doing this, and he sees us all the time.  How you deal with that is a parenting decision, but it's age appropriate and normal.

    Coupled with throwing water on her, and well, I think the best thing is to just get a better grasp about how 2.5 year olds act.
     
    So how do I support her while communicating that loosing it is not reasonable behaviour? Especially when, like yesterday, I can't get through to her because she won't stop yelling/crying.


    Didn't read all the way through.... Have you never lost control? She is 2.5, I promise she won't be doomed to be a brat because you didn't yell at her when she was upset. I think your expectations are way too high. You aren't going to reason with her nor is she going to learn some great lesson right there in her losing her mind moment.

    I would've physically taken her out and sat down with her somewhere until she calmed down. And yes, I do know that it is easier said then done when you have a baby and  you have to be places. But I truly think that when  you start addressing these in a bit more empathetic way they will happen much less frequently.

    DD Nov 2010 ~ DS June 2012
  • Thanks everyone for the support/suggestions.

    The throwing water on her thing was actually her "temporary" daycare worker's idea. It was definitely something I should have said no to, but I was out of ideas myself. After reflecting on this some more, I wonder if maybe the temp daycare handles disciplinary issues in a non-sympathetic way given what DD is going through at home. I am certainly not a "hard-ass" with her by any means and would have gone to hug her throughout the tantrum, but the daycare lady said maybe she's behaving like this when you're here because she thinks she can get away with it.

    I have made arrangements to get both her and my son at DD's original daycare starting tomorrow afternoon, and I'll be taking tomorrow morning off to be with the kids and to hang out with DD.

    **for the record, "temp daycare" lady friend watching the kids as a favour. She has two kids the same age as mine.

  • Oh.

    ^directed at the temp daycare lady.

    Two year olds throw tantrums.  That's normal.  She is acting that way because it's how 2 year olds act.
  • We've all done something in a moment of "dear god, nothing is working".  A water splash is a bad idea but you know that now and were desperate.  

    123 Magic is a good book that helped us get through the 2s and 3s with a reasonable amount of sanity.
  • I think @MarlaSinger& is right on with this.  Unfortunately, I don't know that there's much that you can *do* for tantrums.  When we are at home, I make sure he's safe and ignore him until he's done.  It's hilarious, he will go for 15-20 minutes straight, and then he will stop, just like that, and start playing with his toys.  I'm like, how do you go from 60-0 like that?!?!  My whole day would be ruined if I was hysterical like that for 20 minutes.  When we are in public, we are still trying to figure these out. 

    As the parent who does DC pick ups with a 2 year old and a 3 month old, I totally understand your frustration.  Your hands are completely full with baby, carrier, bottles, 2 year old, art projects, jackets, etc. and your patience probably is not what it might otherwise be.  We have not yet had a tantrum at DC pick up, but I imagine I would scoop DS up on one shoulder and carry him kicking and screaming to the car.

    I may be in the minority, but I'm not big on trying to "talk through" a tantrum or hug it out or anything like that.  It might just be my kid, but the more we have coddled him during tantrums, the angrier he gets.  And I also personally think it's a bit silly to try to reason with a 2 year old and talk about the tantrum.  2 year olds have tantrums because they can't express themselves, don't know how to rationally deal with things, etc.  It's a fight DH and I have a lot.  DH wants to talk to him about his behavior and tell him why he can't do this or that and I just don't think he gets it.  I think if they can't express themselves logically, deal rationally with things it's silly to think you could have a logical conversation about the behavior that spurred the tantrum.  Once DS calms down I will usually try to be simple, "I know you want to play with your toy, but you threw it.  No throw toys.  No throw."  That's about as reasoned as I get with him.

    Hang in there and don't be hard on yourself, mama.  Toddlers are nuts and you're basically doing this alone.  You are doing GREAT.

     

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  • DS had an epic tantrum that, in hindsight, we can laugh about.  He was so stuck on what he wanted that he breathlessly repeated the same phrase for 30 minutes...in the car...in traffic.  It became comical at one point because it was that or cry with him.  

    We still look at each other and repeat "I want a ball.  I want a ball.  I want a ball."  when we are frustrated.  
  • I'm sorry you're dealing with this, it is a tough situation coupled with a very difficult age and transition. My almost 4 year old still gets a bit upset about not being the center of my universe after DD was born 7 months a ago. So I can imagine how difficult it can be with a 2.5 year old when she has not matured enough to be reasoned with.

    I do drop offs and pick ups, and it can get very stressful. I had to use transition toys/snacks to get through that phase (still do, to a degree). For example, I make a big deal out of picking out a toy to play in the car in the morning. And I have a special snack for the car ride home. This worked for us. I don't know, worth a try?
    Re. Climbing in tour bed - I have no advice other than to make it less desirable for her? Like pitch dark, no noise allowed etc? My son told me he was going back to his bed because it was too dark (he has a night light).

    Good luck!
  • I am LOLing at communicating to a 2.5 year old what "reasonable behavior" is.

    BTW, I also have a 2.5 YO.  And I am an actual single mom.  You know, the kind without quote marks.

     

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  • I am LOLing at communicating to a 2.5 year old what "reasonable behavior" is.

    BTW, I also have a 2.5 YO.  And I am an actual single mom.  You know, the kind without quote marks.

    Bless you...I'm grateful for those quotation marks!

    And about someone's post above saying they picture daycare worker with a spray bottle - she actually did mention that was something I should try as I was leaving. She's well intentioned, but that's not really my style...

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