Daycare/Vaccination Question

MrsSinner402 · August 2014

I'm trying to look it up online but I'm coming up short. Does anyone know if Daycares in Michigan are required to require their kids to be up to date on their vaccinations? I'm finding the schedules online and certain sites are mentioning requirements, but I'm not finding a clear answer. We found a great lady for daycare for LO, and I have a message out to her asking if she requires her kids to be vaccinated but I haven't heard back. Any help os appreciated! If not, I don't think I'll be comfortable sending LO there. Granted, she will be 6 months old when she goes, so she will have had several vaccines by then, but still not near all of them. Help. :-<

MrMrsandBaby · August 2014

I don't think anything is "required" until they are in school, and then they can still get the religious exemption. But I'm in Illinois so I don't know about Michigan. When we toured daycare a few years ago, only one center required some level of immunizations and it wasn't the full CDC schedule, it was just some basic ones (flu shot, pertussis and MMR as they got old enough I think).

I know we had to give our current provider a list of what DD had but I don't think she actually requires anything, I think it is more for having it on file.

ETA: found this - https://www.immunizationinfo.org/vaccines/state-requirements/michigan

MrsSinner402 · August 2014

Yes I found that link too! Am I reading it correctly? That all the vx's listed with Daycare in the box mean they're required for being in a licensed daycare in Michigan? I was a little confused.

MrMrsandBaby · August 2014

That is how I read it.

MrsSinner402 · August 2014

FamousEa said:
I found this I hope the link works I'm mobile, on page 10 it says that they need to be up to date or in the process of obtaining vaccines. Is this a home daycare you are looking at?

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/dhs/BCAL-PUB-0724_212611_7.pdf

Yes it's a home daycare.

Littledeer84 · August 2014

Not sure about Michigan, but in Nebraska they do not require kids to be vaccinated... Parents have to provide a copy of vaccine records, or a doctors note, or a statement about why a child is not vaccinated. I was really disappointed about it.

MrsSinner402 · August 2014

Ok I heard back from her. All of her kids arw up to date. Thank goodness! @starla487‌ I talked to the DCH and they said parents can fill out a waiver for refusing certain vaccines and supply it to the local health department. I don't know if there's an approval/denial process or not?

golfingdarwinfish · August 2014

I've only looked at one provider each in NY and NJ, but both said that children must be vaccinated per state requirements to enroll in their facilities.

MrsSinner402 · August 2014

Thanks all! I found the info I was looking for. Theres a list of vaccines required by state law. So that makes me feel better. And I'm hoping my provider would then turn away any child who's parents refuse to vaccinate.

ADH0906 · August 2014

I'm in Wisconsin, so not entirely applicable, but the daycare we toured said they cannot refuse someone on the basis of not vaccinating as long as that child's parents have signed a waiver. She did, however, tell us that she'd let us know if she had any unvaccinated children attending. Not entirely sure of the legality there, but it at least makes me feel more comfortable.

MsMacual · August 2014

MrsSinner402 said:

Thanks all! I found the info I was looking for. Theres a list of vaccines required by state law. So that makes me feel better. And I'm hoping my provider would then turn away any child who's parents refuse to vaccinate.

We all can hope for this, but I recently found out that there is a non-vax kid at our daycare and our DCP can't really do anything about it due to the objection cluse in the MN law. It also is a tricky situation b/c she knew the family and didn't find out until after she said she would take him that he wasn't vaxed. She's hoping that they decide to have another baby and she is full until like 2016 with infants so they'll probably move to a different provider. Anyway- I had a momentary freak out b/c I'm fairly certain that our new baby will be starting at 6 weeks and won't get his first round of vaxes until 8 weeks. My understanding is that the vaccinated kids are more of a threat to the non vaxed kid- especially during the two weeks following each round of vaxes because they will be developing their immunity and can be midly contagious to someone who has no immunity. I figure that our kids will always put the other kid at more risk than he will be putting us at risk, if that makes sense.

My understanding is that it depends on how the state law is written- some states don't require vaccines until the child starts kindergarten, while others have a required schedule for kids in licensed day cares (both centers and in home). MN is the latter- we provide our vaccine record to our provider and her licenser checks her records during her visits. I think there is a document that families who are not vaccinating have to sign disclosing that they are objecting to the law.

trisharenee0316 · August 2014

MsMacual said:
We all can hope for this, but I recently found out that there is a non-vax kid at our daycare and our DCP can't really do anything about it due to the objection cluse in the MN law. It also is a tricky situation b/c she knew the family and didn't find out until after she said she would take him that he wasn't vaxed. She's hoping that they decide to have another baby and she is full until like 2016 with infants so they'll probably move to a different provider. Anyway- I had a momentary freak out b/c I'm fairly certain that our new baby will be starting at 6 weeks and won't get his first round of vaxes until 8 weeks. My understanding is that the vaccinated kids are more of a threat to the non vaxed kid- especially during the two weeks following each round of vaxes because they will be developing their immunity and can be midly contagious to someone who has no immunity. I figure that our kids will always put the other kid at more risk than he will be putting us at risk, if that makes sense.

My understanding is that it depends on how the state law is written- some states don't require vaccines until the child starts kindergarten, while others have a required schedule for kids in licensed day cares (both centers and in home). MN is the latter- we provide our vaccine record to our provider and her licenser checks her records during her visits. I think there is a document that families who are not vaccinating have to sign disclosing that they are objecting to the law.

That hasn't been my impression at all. I am not a vaccine expert, but I don't think the bolded is right.

"The MMR, rotavirus, shingles, intranasal influenza and varicella vaccines can all be given to people who are living in the same home as someone with weakened immunity. Although trace amounts of these live vaccine viruses can be detected for about two weeks in the throat of a vaccinated child, they are not contagious. The viruses that show up are so weakened, and exist in such miniscule amounts, that they do not endanger family members.

Children receiving the hepatitis B, Hib, hepatitis A, polio (shot), influenza (shot), pneumococcus, and diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis vaccines are not contagious to someone with weakened immunity."

https://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-considerations.html

MsMacual · August 2014

@trisharenee0316 I may have misstated exactly how it all works, but we had a ped tell us that in general the vaccinated person is at a lower risk being around a non vax person than the other way around. He basically said that there is a very low risk that the child can contract the disease being prevented by the vax and in those cases, the vaccinated child can pass the disease along to a non vax person. Super rare, but a possibility. The non vax kid at our daycare just had chicken pox and none of the other kids caught it b/c they all had at least one dose of the vax.

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