February 2014 Moms

Personal Sleep Training Experience (tl;dr)

From past discussions, I know that most of the ladies on this board are anti-sleep training, and I'm not trying to convince anyone to do it, but given that I have one of the older babies on the board, I thought that others might find my experience with sleep training to be interesting and/or helpful.

Around the time that DS turned 6 months old a couple weeks ago, I started sleep training using the Ferber method.  DD didn't require any sleep training, so I know how much better parenting is for me when I'm adequately rested.  DS had always woken up frequently, and required eating, rocking, bouncing, etc., sometimes for hours in the middle of the night, to go back to sleep.  It wasn't improving as we got closer to 6 months.  I decided to try sleep training because lack of sleep was negatively impacting a lot of areas of my life - I had less patience for my kids and enjoyed them less because I was always exhausted, my relationship with DH was weaker because I went to bed immediately after the kids did rather than having any time with him, I worried about falling asleep while driving and having an accident, and at work I could never find the right word I needed while speaking, and left work early to nap.  I wanted to do sleep training the "right" way, so I read a couple books and decided on Ferber.  If anyone is considering sleep training I'd recommend reading his book ("Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems"), because it made a lot of sense to me, and I liked having a very specific program and answers to my questions about it.  I also had read an article about this study when it came out, and it reinforced my decision for me:

https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/Infant-Sleep-Training-is-Effective-and-Safe-Study-Finds.aspx

 

The first night I put DS down a little after his bedtime (as recommended in the book, so he's more tired), and he cried/fussed for the first 3 mintues, then I checked in, then for another 5 minutes, then I checked in, and he fell asleep during the next phase (which is 10 minutes).  He slept for about 5 hours, woke up and ate and went right back to sleep, with no rocking required.  He woke up again a few hours later and ate, and then we had to go through the crying/check in cycles again.  During the crying cycles, it definitely wasn't easy, but he wasn't screaming the whole time - a lot of it was really just fussing.  Dr. Ferber makes it very clear that you shouldn't sleep train unless you know you can commit to it, because if you go in an pick up the baby and rock him to sleep after he cries for 20 minutes (with check-ins), then you are teaching him that he needs to cry for 20 minutes before you'll come get him. 

The next night, he put himself to sleep almost immediately on his own, and in the past two weeks we've only had three other instances where I had to go through the checking in cycles again.  Now he is consistently only waking up once per night - last night he slept from 8 pm until 7 am with only one 20-minute wake-up to eat, and he put himself to sleep again after that with no issue.  I was actually shocked how quickly it worked.  He seems happier and more content now that he's better rested, and he wakes up happy rather than frantic that I'm not there.

Anyway, like I said, I don't intend to convince anyone to sleep train - I know that everyone needs to do what's right for you and your family - but I just wanted to share my experience in case it is helpful to anyone :)

BFP #1 9/2010 (lost our baby at 21 weeks) BFP #2 8/2011 (ectopic pregnancy) BFP #3 10/2011 (chemical pregnancy) BFP #4 12/2011 (Abigail born 8/15/12) BFP #5 5/2013 (Griffin born 1/23/14 with heart defects, now repaired!)

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  • Good for you. I know how painful lack of sleep is so glad you could overcome it. I just want to mention that my observation is that people on this board are not anti- sleep training. They are just vocal about trying to sleep train an 8 week old that too by letting it CIO. ;-)
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    Hg45 said:

    Good for you. I know how painful lack of sleep is so glad you could overcome it. I just want to mention that my observation is that people on this board are not anti- sleep training. They are just vocal about trying to sleep train an 8 week old that too by letting it CIO. ;-)

    I disagree. There are people who are adamantly opposed to sleep training. This is not a criticism to either side of the issue, just a point of clarity. :)
    Yes but I''m not sure it's majority. We discussed many times there are many ways to sleep train. Perhaps CIO very early on is what people are against. I could be wrong though. Just been my impression from the discussions.
  • Thanks for sharing your experience. I just started working on giving LO better sleep cues and letting him fuss a bit before running in to his rescue. Come to find out he likes to yell (not cry) himself to sleepy and I've been interrupting it because I think he's fussing.

    We used the Ferber method when DS1 was about 8 months old for the same reasons you did. It was what worked for my family and he's still a great sleeper to this day. His bed is "his space" and he'll even go there if he just needs to regroup.
  • Thank you for sharing this, I have been contemplating trying different things to help my LO sleep. He is up 3+ times a night to eat and always goes back to sleep no problem, but thats because he is in the pack n play next to my bed. If he naps in his crib in his room throughout the day, he wakes up constantly and very frantic. Not sure if this is the route we will end up going with, but its nice to see you've had good results from it

    :)
  • @sdlaura - thanks for sharing.  DD2 actually goes to sleep on her own fairly easily, but we did a very similar approach that you describe when DD1 was about 6 months old and, not to be cliche, but it changed our lives.  DH was very skeptical at first, but even by the second night she was going down easily with minimal fussing.  I literally used my stopwatch because 5 minutes can seem like forever, but in the end it was the best thing for us all. 
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  • I want to thank you for sharing a view knowing to could be unpopular.  I am hoping to avoid this as LO is a pretty good sleeper.  I am hoping to find a gentler way to move away from having to rock him to sleep.   But I am thankful for the info should it become necessary later. 

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  • Thanks @p2k2c4bp2k2  !
    You know I must have really wanted to thank you because I'm dyslexic and don't knit.  Hardest SN ever!  
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  • HAHAHAHA!! Sorry yeah it's SUPER unfriendly for those with dyslexia I'm sure!!
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  • We have also started some sleep training for naps and to help her fall asleep on her own. We were at the point that rocking her wasn't even working as she was getting distracted and wanting to play with us.

    It was getting unhealthy for her with her lack of naps, and my frustration was through the roof trying to rock her to sleep for an hour (no exaggeration) to have her wake up the second I tried to put her down.

    @mamosey feel free to pm me if you need some help or advice when you start!

    It hasn't been easy for us, hardest thing I've ever done...but we are both much happier when she can put herself to sleep! It's also made car rides and walks 100x better and she doesn't cry the whole time anymore...just falls asleep when she's tired!
  • Can I ask an ignorant question, with the caveat that if I choose one of these methods, I'll certainly do my own research and read some of the lit mentioned. Do these methods preclude rocking the baby to sleep? In other words, do you have to consistently put the baby down, or can you still rock her sometimes if you want to? <-- loves rocking babies, not ready to give it up

    Rocking is still fine, according to Ferber.  So is feeding to sleep.  Those things are only an issue if the baby can't transition between sleep cycles later at night and has to recreate the exact situation surrounding going to sleep every time he or she wakes up.  Even then, I think you could go back to rocking once you help baby figure out that he doesn't need it every time he tries to go to sleep.  We fed/rocked DD to sleep every night and it wasn't an issue because she was able to sleep well and transition between sleep cycles anyway.

    By the way, thank you everyone for your responses.  I breathed a huge sigh of relief that this post was taken as I intended it and no one told me I was a negligent or selfish parent :)

    BFP #1 9/2010 (lost our baby at 21 weeks) BFP #2 8/2011 (ectopic pregnancy) BFP #3 10/2011 (chemical pregnancy) BFP #4 12/2011 (Abigail born 8/15/12) BFP #5 5/2013 (Griffin born 1/23/14 with heart defects, now repaired!)

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  • @bookshelves - I agree that it doesn't have to preclude rocking.  For us it was just a way to end the 2+ hour cycle of rock, rock, rock, gently lay down, cry, pick back up, repeat.  Over and over.  It allowed us to transition to snuggle, book, rock, lay down, and sleep, which was a million times better than the alternative.
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  • Can I ask an ignorant question, with the caveat that if I choose one of these methods, I'll certainly do my own research and read some of the lit mentioned. Do these methods preclude rocking the baby to sleep? In other words, do you have to consistently put the baby down, or can you still rock her sometimes if you want to?
    <-- loves rocking babies, not ready to give it up</p>

    Nope we rock and snuggle every night (and I did with DS1 too). Those are my favorite times of day. I will gently rouse him before laying him in his crib if he falls sound asleep in my arms and let him settle himself back in.
  • Can I ask an ignorant question, with the caveat that if I choose one of these methods, I'll certainly do my own research and read some of the lit mentioned. Do these methods preclude rocking the baby to sleep? In other words, do you have to consistently put the baby down, or can you still rock her sometimes if you want to?
    <-- loves rocking babies, not ready to give it up</p>

    We just went through sleep training using the ferber method, and I'm still rocking and feeding to sleep. So yes, it can definitely still include that.
  • Thank you for posting. I can essentially second your experience to a T. We followed Ferbers book and started last week. We saw almost the same results as you! DS is now sleeping from 7:30-6/6:30 waking up only once per night to nurse.

    Our decision ultimately centered around the fact that we were completely unable to get him to nap in his crib anymore. Every time I rocked him to sleep, the second I tried to transition him to the crib he would shoot wide awake. If I put him down drowsy, he wouldn't put himself to sleep (would play and then ultimately cry). We are very happy with our decision - we have a happier, better rested baby!
  • I alao had a lot of misconceptions about the Ferber method until I read Dr. Ferber's book. I was amazed at what he actually says vs what people think he says. Plus he was the founder of children's hospital boston sleep lab. A hospital that I respect.
    We keep hoping R changes his ways on his own but going on 6 months things aren't looking good. I'm impressed with the fact that my wife and I ( like so many of you) have been " functioning" on little to no sleep for so long. When I think about how bad nights consistently are I cry.
  • Great post, thanks!  I sleep trained at 10 months with DS1, and at 6 months with DS2.  Haven't with DS3 because I'm fortunate that he's a great sleeper.  I think if you wait until you're ready (which could be never for some mothers), it is an excellent way to make nights less miserable for mom and baby.
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