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Speech Therapy Questions

Today, DD (turned 2 about a month ago) had her assessment with Early Childhood Intervention. She was at age level or above for everything except expressive communication, for which she had a 20 percent delay. Here in Texas, they use the Battelle Developmental Inventory and to qualify for services, she needs a 33 percent delay so we don't qualify. The person assessing her told me that the Battelle gives a lot of weight to the fact that she can communicate her needs through gestures and that is why she didn't qualify.  Our insurance does not cover speech therapy.

I am looking for recommendations about what to do from here.  My main concern is her speech. She only speaks about 9 words and only uses about 5 of them (Mama, dada, yaya--which is what she calls herself, bye bye, and wawa--for water) unless specifically asked to say the word.  She uses lots of signs and gestures and understands what we say very well. My only minor concerns outside of speech are that she is anxious around other kids her age because she does want them to touch her or get too close and if she gets really upset, she can be very difficult to calm down and is likely to throw up.  However, these things are getting better with time.

We have her 2 year well check up on August 22 and will of course discuss my concerns.  I am thinking that we will try to find a speech therapist who will be willing to see us on a monthly basis to give us strategies to work on at home and we will pay out of pocket.  

Here are my questions:
- should we push for a referral to be assessed by a developmental pediatrician?
- are there other questions we should ask the pediatrician when we meet with her?
- any recommendations of books or other resources that might help me work with her at home on speech or just understand speech delays and/or how to advocate for DD
- any other recommendations about steps I should take.

Thank you in advance! 

Re: Speech Therapy Questions

  • We had that exact problem with both of my kids, both didn't qualify because they only had/have an expressive delay. We got lucky with DD because we were in a state at that time that allowed for the tester to recommend therapy despite scores. She had very few words at two and was getting extremely frustrated with people not understanding her (major temper tantrums would occur).

    We moved across country and DS was not so lucky. Did the people who tested your child not give you information on how to work with your child at home? If not, I would call and ask for some tips from them. I got a lot of information to help from both states at testing. Also, when DS didn't qualify a teacher friend of mine suggested looking at area colleges to see if there were any SLP students looking for experience. Also, there is a ton of speech therapy activities for expressive delays on pinterest. I used to have a board full of stuff, but I deleted it after DS's expressive language improved.
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  • Thank you for the resources! She will attend a pre-school program this fall from 9-2 on tue and thur. When she is 3, we will probably go up to 3 days per week.
  • Oh, Texas. We have been in that exact situation.  Sounds so familiar. By 2 my daughter  had less than 10 words and hadn't really added any new ones in months.  I knew something was wrong.  I started worrying around 18 months and finally called EI at 22 months.  They came just before her second birthday.  Her expressive language was very behind but her receptive was so ahead so it cancelled each other out.  They basically said yes, your daughter is behind on expressive speech but we can't help you.  Good luck.   It was the most frustrating thing ever.

    We were lucky and have insurance that covers private speech.  So, we started that a few weeks later and eventually ended up with an apraxia diagnosis.  6 months later I called EI again and they STILL wouldn't help me even though her delay was significant enough to qualify at 2.5.  Why wouldn't they help?  Because it would be a duplication of services.  They also would only come twice a month whereas we were doing private two times a week.  So, no.  The early intervention program here is SO flawed.

    In retrospect, I should have fought their decision.  I didn't know I could.  When you have your pediatrician appointment at the end of the month I would ask your pedi to make a call on your behalf.  I would also get an assessment done with a private SLP.  That report can help you make your case with the powers that be at ECI.  It may be fairly expensive OOP, but not too bad.

    The good news is that the school district has been much, much easier.  They pushed us through the system super fast when they found how out how much ECI dropped the ball. 

    playingwithwords365 is a great blog that I looked at a lot in the beginning.  You can work on speech at home yourself (I still do) but you want to make it fun.  Pinterest has great ideas, too.

    Good luck!!  If you have any other questions please ask.  If speech is your only concern and the only area there is a delay you don't need a developmental pedi.

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  • Oh, I will also add that school has been amazing. We did a MDO program  3 times a week last year and she made so much progress.  She learns best from her peers so her speech really started to take off when she saw how much her friends were talking.  In September, when she was almost 3, I was still counting words.  By May she was getting in trouble for talking to her friends during naptime. I hope you have the same success. Speech has kind of stalled this summer without that social interaction so I'm ready for school to start again!

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  • I would ask this question on the Special Needs board. The ladies over there have a lot of knowledge. The fact that she gets so upset around other kids would worry me more than the speech. Ask your ped about that. It might be a sensory issue.
  • One more thought. Have you had her hearing checked? Mine had a ton of fluid in her ears and 30-40% hearing loss. "Everyone" swore this was why she wasn't talking. Wrong. The tubes did help her sensory issues tremendously though. 
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  • Did you mention the social anxiety and not wanting to be touched by other kids?  She may qualify for help in other areas.  
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  • I don't have much advice, except to follow your gut feeling and continue looking for evaluations/services where you feel they are necessary.

    I did want to mention something about the expressive vs receptive delays. When DS was 18 months, I began to get concerned about his lack of expressive speech. Many people told me that because he had great receptive speech (he understood everything we said), there was no way he would qualify for speech services. I still went ahead and had him evaluated through EI at 23 months. He was in the normal range for receptive but had an expressive delay of 45% (he maybe said 5 words regularly, did point or pull me to something that he wanted, and used a couple of signs - more and milk, I think) He did qualify for speech therapy and he will likely exit the program soon with expressive language skills beyond his age. I realize that is not the experience of OP, or of other posters here, but I wanted to mention it in case other people are reading this and thinking their non-speaking toddler can not get services because they have great receptive speech. I'm sure it depends on what state you live in, their EI program, and the extent of the deficit. I was almost discouraged from getting him evaluated, and would hate to see others discouraged as well.
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  • Yes, I would never advise someone to not call. Information is a good thing and early intervention is so important. It's just very hard to get sometimes unfortunately.
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  • Thank you all so much for your responses. This is extremely helpful. It is helpful to hear that I am not being silly for continuing to pursue this. Some family and friends have brushed it off--I think trying to make me feel better and not worry.

    I did tell them extensively about her social anxiety.  In the social area, she scored really high in her interactions with family and other adults so that negated her really low score in peer interactions.  

    We went to an ENT at 12 months to check hearing.  They did the test where they play the noises and see if she looks but they weren't able to do the one where they put something in her ear because she freaked out and threw up.  I *think* she can hear perfectly fine but I will discuss it with her pediatrician.

    We are definitely going to pursue a private evaluation and look into appealing the decision.  I had not even thought about appealing until y'all suggested. In the meantime we will pay out of pocket for private services. I will also look at the resources y'all suggested and look into programs through any local colleges. Thank you again for all your help. These responses gave me some really helpful insights. 
  • You are not silly for seeking help from EI.  You LO sounds like she's in the same place as my DS2.  He qualified for EI by having a 50% expressive delay.  His receptive speech was and is totally up to par.  We have been doing speech for two months and it's helping but not an overnight miracle.  Sometimes in talking with family and friends who know DS2, they did put me off a little about him needing speech therapy.  I think it was because they know him and can see the spark in his eye that he is an intelligent boy so the old fashioned way was just to let them grow up and they'll get it eventually.  At least in my family, the older generation feels this way, maybe because they didn't have the knowledge and services we have access to now.  Our therapist did say that DS2 is the most mild she's had on her caseload of 80 kids in the past years.  I think she was telling me that because it indicates her confidence in him as having a good long term prognosis Anyhow, even mild delays are still delays.  Glad you are moving forward. GL!

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  • You may want to look into a social skills group for your lo. There will be some cost OOP but likely much less than private speech. IME they are generally run by a speech therapist so you'll be working on both of the areas she's currently struggling with.
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  • amy052006 said:
    cmrand4 said:
    You are not silly for seeking help from EI.  You LO sounds like she's in the same place as my DS2.  He qualified for EI by having a 50% expressive delay.  His receptive speech was and is totally up to par.  We have been doing speech for two months and it's helping but not an overnight miracle.  Sometimes in talking with family and friends who know DS2, they did put me off a little about him needing speech therapy.  I think it was because they know him and can see the spark in his eye that he is an intelligent boy so the old fashioned way was just to let them grow up and they'll get it eventually.  At least in my family, the older generation feels this way, maybe because they didn't have the knowledge and services we have access to now.  Our therapist did say that DS2 is the most mild she's had on her caseload of 80 kids in the past years.  I think she was telling me that because it indicates her confidence in him as having a good long term prognosis Anyhow, even mild delays are still delays.  Glad you are moving forward. GL!

    DH did not talk until he was three.  Nothing, nada.  My running joke is if he was a kid today The Bump would have arm chair diagnosed him for sure.  So needless to say his family thought we were nuts.  

    I didn't speak until three either...except I didn't catch up magically, needed speech services through third grade and it had a negative impact on my early school years. Obviously I don't hold my parents responsible since things were much different back then. In something like 10-20% of kids late speech is a sign of language disorder or learning disability. I will never understand the wait and see approach or people being so lax about issues significantly outside "typical" development. Better to have kids seen by a specialist that's unnecessary than let some kid go undetected in such a critical window of brain development.
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  • amy052006 said:
    amy052006 said:
    cmrand4 said:
    You are not silly for seeking help from EI.  You LO sounds like she's in the same place as my DS2.  He qualified for EI by having a 50% expressive delay.  His receptive speech was and is totally up to par.  We have been doing speech for two months and it's helping but not an overnight miracle.  Sometimes in talking with family and friends who know DS2, they did put me off a little about him needing speech therapy.  I think it was because they know him and can see the spark in his eye that he is an intelligent boy so the old fashioned way was just to let them grow up and they'll get it eventually.  At least in my family, the older generation feels this way, maybe because they didn't have the knowledge and services we have access to now.  Our therapist did say that DS2 is the most mild she's had on her caseload of 80 kids in the past years.  I think she was telling me that because it indicates her confidence in him as having a good long term prognosis Anyhow, even mild delays are still delays.  Glad you are moving forward. GL!

    DH did not talk until he was three.  Nothing, nada.  My running joke is if he was a kid today The Bump would have arm chair diagnosed him for sure.  So needless to say his family thought we were nuts.  

    I didn't speak until three either...except I didn't catch up magically, needed speech services through third grade and it had a negative impact on my early school years. Obviously I don't hold my parents responsible since things were much different back then. In something like 10-20% of kids late speech is a sign of language disorder or learning disability. I will never understand the wait and see approach or people being so lax about issues significantly outside "typical" development. Better to have kids seen by a specialist that's unnecessary than let some kid go undetected in such a critical window of brain development.
    Well, I may not agree with it, but I get it.  The truth of the matter is most kids DO magically catch up.

    I have no doubt in today's climate my intelligent, not talking until 3 husband who read at the same age would have been slapped with an autism label.  None.  He's not autistic.  Not even close. So when you have a kid with a speech delay, and everyone is looking at them in the context of a perfectly typical adult who was the same way -- I completely get it.  Not that I agree, but I get it.

    I also think the EI process is a damn clusterfuck, and terrifying to be honest.  Couple that with insurance issues if you want to go private -- it's a nightmare. 

    I think its a common myth that an autism dx is oh so easy to get. I'm sure there is somewhat as doctors use it for kids who they're not sure on to gain access to more services. And yeah, 10% of people dx with autism young lose the diagnosis and certainly some are misdiagnosed. The thing is these people are not neurotypical. They still struggle socially and communicatively, just not to a degree where they meet the dx criteria. Many go on to get diagnoses of other neurological disorders they may not been able to identify at two or three. There's no epidemic of treating neurotypical kids in our country. My son barely spoke until 2.5 and not a single doctor/therapist recommended that I have him evaluated. Heck, they didn't even for my child who is on the spectrum.

    I've been lucky with ei/insurance and it seems to be a 50/50 mix of what I read on bump boards throughout the past couple of years.
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  • You may want to look into a social skills group for your lo. There will be some cost OOP but likely much less than private speech. IME they are generally run by a speech therapist so you'll be working on both of the areas she's currently struggling with.

    @kcisthebombdotcom‌ or others, any tips where I might find such a group?
  • edited August 2014
    Google is your friend. In my area we have a school that caters to kids of all ages, delays or not, and they offer classes on an occupational therapy basis. Any school catered to special needs would likely have some insight. Look on Facebook for support groups for special needs and ask about local services. These groups are generally very inclusive and are more than willing to help. Contact your local autism society. They will be a great area source for stuff like that as well. Gl!
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