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Fussy Evenings & Milk Production

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Possibly SS but seeing if anyone else can relate here. Having a rough time.

I am ebf right now and my daughter is not satisfied after feeding at night. I think my supply tanks. She fusses, paws, yanks at and sometimes cries at the boobs. No matter how much I switch sides, I feel empty. I drank a ton of water today, took fenugreek and mothers milk tea and slept with her on my chest to stimulate things this afternoon, but here we are again, unsatisfied baby attached to my boobs

The frustrating part is she does get sleepy (she is always a sleepy eater, anytime of day) but I can't put her down or even sleep with her as she wakes up and remembers she is hungry when I pull her off. She is 7 weeks.

I've read kellymom and also know I should pump more to supplement with a bottle but I pumped this afternoon after a feeding, got one ounce. Pedi and I think she is taking about 3 ounces. I feel like I'll also never have a freezer stash at this point.

So, that's the story. Anyone? Bueller?
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  • heim0117heim0117 member
    I am in the exact same situation . My
    lo started with her feeding fussiness at about 1 pm and went until 9pm with multiple feeding attempts. I will be interested to see what others say. On the verge of going back into doctor to see if they can help.
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  • lest12lest12 member
    elsa1688 said:

    I think if she is gaining weight, I wouldn't worry about your supply. You are becoming regulated and won't feel as full now. I think people often think they are losing supply, then supplement, which causes their supply to actually lower. J is also learning to paw at my boobs - I think that's more about learning they have hands.
    ^just my own experience, so take it fwiw

    An LC told me this exact thing ywsterday. I had a similiar concern as you, bmaid, amd called the hospital to ask.

     

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  • IlliniQTIlliniQT member
    I agree with with the above poster -- the LC said the worst thing I can do is supplement in the evenings.  Just keep on nursing, and it will tell my body to make more milk.  DS has resorted to actually boob punching me when he's getting frustrated!
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  • Bozzy2Bozzy2 member
    My LO does the same thing but I couldn't take it anymore so instead I have my SO feed her from a bottle while I pump she seems to like that more. There is a lot less of a fight. I don't know if I am doing it right but that's what works for us.
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  • sm623sm623 member
    I am also EBF, but I've been pumping to try to build a stash for when I go back to work in 2 weeks. I've noticed that when I pump after LO eats in the morning I get more than when I pump in the afternoon or evening. So you might want to try different times of day to see when you are able to get the most. I've also read on kellymom that for women who are EBF their LO, it's normal for them to pump between 1/2 oz to 2 oz per session, so 1 oz isn't bad!

    We had a tough time last week when LO went through the first wonder week leap where I felt like I couldn't keep up, but I the fact that I was still able to pump 1-2 oz after LO ate and that she was having plenty of wet diapers reassured me that she was getting plenty. We also went from an average of 4.5 hours nursing in a day to 6-7 hours.

    Sorry I don't have more suggestions, but I hope it helps knowing that someone else is going through something similar!
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  • H&H2014H&H2014 member
    BMaidPlanner said:

    Possibly SS but seeing if anyone else can relate here. Having a rough time.

    I am ebf right now and my daughter is not satisfied after feeding at night. I think my supply tanks. She fusses, paws, yanks at and sometimes cries at the boobs. No matter how much I switch sides, I feel empty. I drank a ton of water today, took fenugreek and mothers milk tea and slept with her on my chest to stimulate things this afternoon, but here we are again, unsatisfied baby attached to my boobs

    The frustrating part is she does get sleepy (she is always a sleepy eater, anytime of day) but I can't put her down or even sleep with her as she wakes up and remembers she is hungry when I pull her off. She is 7 weeks.

    I've read kellymom and also know I should pump more to supplement with a bottle but I pumped this afternoon after a feeding, got one ounce. Pedi and I think she is taking about 3 ounces. I feel like I'll also never have a freezer stash at this point.

    So, that's the story. Anyone? Bueller?

    We are 8 wks and going through the exact same thing. Usually she's frustrated and crying/screaming from 4-8.. Popping on and off, refusing to relatch, requires a lot of switching. Today she started this at 1pm.


    I also thought maybe it was my supply but she is gaining and she has 5-6 wet diapers a day. That is apparently the true sign of not having a supply issue. I'm still concerned about pumping and having a stash for work... But right now I want to get through this rough patch. I know my supply is just lower in the afternoons. I've been reading up on using breast compression.

    It's the most difficulty I've had bf'ing since the first few days. I had started to love nursing but lately not so much. :(

    Ps - she started refusing the one bottle a day we were giving her.. And she refused the nipple shield and I had to wean immediately.
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  • irenewsleeirenewslee member
    edited August 2014
    I didnt actually start my freezer stash until last week and my LO is 8 weeks. I normally BF her in the morning at 9 and she finishes around 930. At 10 I pump and save whatever I get. It started out with one ounce and now i get roughly 3oz. I do it in the morning because thats when my supply is at its highest. In the beginning I had to feed my LO back what i pump at the 12pm feeding but that only lasted a couple days.

    I also pump for the evening feedings so I know how much LO is taking. She falls asleep sometimes and i make sure to wake her up and finish the bottle.

    LO also fusses at my boobs sometimes because the flow is not fast enough or she is looking for another let down. I try not to switch side so the let down will come sooner with her constant sucking. I know it hurts when she pulls back. You are doing the best you can and that makes you a great mom!
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  • kimberly11511kimberly11511 member
    Glad to know I'm not alone with this. From 7:30 -11:00 she acts like she can not get enough to eat. She has done this from day one, I'm hoping my body will take the hint and my supply will increase to meet the demand.
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  • rachel8078rachel8078 member
    I don't know if this applies, but I'm getting the same behavior, but mostly just on my slacker boob. LC suggested pumping that side alone even more to get it to step up its game since she's realized she has to work harder.

    We have yet to attempt a bottle feed at all; she's 7 weeks.
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  • karing2karing2 member
    I might be the only one but I nurse at 4:30 again at 7:00 and then at 8 I give him a supplemental bottle of formula. I allow him to drink whatever he wants. Tonight it was 4 ozs. I did the same for my first son. I couldn't handle the cluster feeding until the wee hours. It hasn't hurt my supply yet and I made it 8 months with my first son and stopped due to the difficulty of pumping at work. We will see with this one.
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  • H&H2014H&H2014 member
    My LO is doing the same but sometimes in addition to crying and screaming she refuses to relatch to that side. If I switch her she immediately stops crying and latches?! It's resulting in too much foremilk - green poops and gas...which probably makes her fussier! Any thoughts of alternative things to try? I'm doing compressions on the feeding boob and massaging the other. It's so tiring.
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  • Jenn111211Jenn111211 member
    Bozzy2 said:

    My LO does the same thing but I couldn't take it anymore so instead I have my SO feed her from a bottle while I pump she seems to like that more. There is a lot less of a fight. I don't know if I am doing it right but that's what works for us.

    This is what we do too. She has trouble starting around 7:00 each night, earlier when she is going through a growth spurt. It's been this way since the day we brought her home from the hospital.
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  • Rei2metseRei2metse member
    @kaysa2‌ my LO fights the bottle too! We've tried a couple of ways to give it to him. He's had the bottle since the first week of life but he's gotten pickier recently. Does yours fight as much if BFF gives the bottle? I find he really fights me bc he knows I'm the source. Anyone else have recs for giving bottle? My nips thank you in advance.
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  • Rei2metseRei2metse member
    Thanks @kaysa2‌. I also attributed the aversion to the bottle as a leap thing. I'll be patient. There's only 2 ways he can get food and he does eventually take the bottle bc he's hungry. Glad to know we're not alone…thought we were missing something when it came to bottle feeding!
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  • MrsCase1MrsCase1 member
    Same thing happened to me this week and Remington turned 7 weeks yesterday. I am going to start pumping and drinking more water.
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  • BMaidPlannerBMaidPlanner member
    edited August 2014
    Today I pumped, she woke up shortly after, hungry. Now she's frustrated at the boob before 11am. This is just upsetting.
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    Bozzy2 said:

    My LO does the same thing but I couldn't take it anymore so instead I have my SO feed her from a bottle while I pump she seems to like that more. There is a lot less of a fight. I don't know if I am doing it right but that's what works for us.

    I have the same situation in the mornings where the babies are apparently starving to death and don't find satisfaction at the breast. I give them a bottle while pumping and life has gotten so much easier on all of us! You gotta do what you gotta do!

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    kaysa2 said:

    @Rei2metse - the bottle fighting is really new for us - started right around the first leap.  We switched to a faster flow nipple, which helped a lot, but DD still fights about 50% of the time.  I don't see a difference between how many times she fights it between myself and BFF.  I HAVE noticed that she fights more if she is congested or has some decent sized boogers - maybe she has a harder time breathing so has to unlatch frequently to get air?  


    I was thinking it was a growth spurt/leap thing, but we're now solidly in week 7 and she is still doing it, so I don't know what the deal is.  I just take the bottle away when she starts fighting.  She eats 35+ ounces a day, I don't think missing a few ounces here and there when fussing will hurt.
    Same here, also attributing it to the leap. ~5 days to go. :(

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  • BabyCurtiss2014BabyCurtiss2014 member
    I supplement w formula bc my supply is low and feel so much better! :)
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  • CherylwangCherylwang member
    My LO is like that at night too. I am EBF and I do not have a supply problem. I think it's just them being gassy in the evening. They are crabby and want to eat but are uncomfortable. It's annoying but I either pump and give her a bottle or just ride it out and deal with the crying. My LO cried on and off until about 10pm last night.
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  • PressLovePressLove member
    Similar story here. As mentioned above, my LC says it's normal. I burp LO every 5 minutes. Usually she's done at that point, looks around a bit, and then comes back.

    Gas is our #1 issue. We're using gripe water, but I'm afraid we're using it too much. The bottle says up to 12 times per day and we're not there. Plus, I only give half a dose. She screams to much to not give anything.

    What are you doing for gas?

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  • whoberrywhoberry member
    I have the same problem and I think you and I both have LOs who have been cluster feeding almost all day since the beginning. I wouldn't know if he's having a growth spurt bc he eats like he is having one all day every day.
    He was having the right number of diapers and gaining weight but we found out he is on the low end of normal range. Pedi thinks I may have low supply.
    I just read about doing breast compressions while LO is eating from the IBC website. I would link to it but I am mobile and don't know how. Basically you do compressions when LO is sucking but not really eating. It's supposed to help them get full so they will actually come off the boob for a little.LO just falls asleep nursing and nibbles off and on but isn't eating. As soon as I remove my boob he wakes up hungry. I tried compressions last night and it seemed to help.
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    Forgot to mention, my pediatrician said a new study just came out saying that people who manually express milk after their pumping sessions get more milk than people who don't so I am trying that out to see of it helps increase my supply.

     

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    whoberry said:

    Forgot to mention, my pediatrician said a new study just came out saying that people who manually express milk after their pumping sessions get more milk than people who don't so I am trying that out to see of it helps increase my supply.

    Hand expressing works great. I suggest expressing into a container with a large mouth.

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