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XP: Manada and Healz413's very sad news (loss discussed)

[I haven't been posting on TPR regularly for the last couple of months (got overwhelmed by work, stress about cervix issues, etc.), but so many of you were such an important part of our journey that I wanted to share our sad news with you in case you did not see it on other boards.]

@Manada and I have some very sad news. We lost both of our babies on Wednesday.

As many of you know, in utero we had been calling the babies "The Rockies" and "Rocky 1 and Rocky 2" because our theme song throughout IVF and pregnancy was "Eye of the Tiger."

Wednesday morning, with virtually no warning, Rocky 1's water broke. We were 21 weeks exactly.

At 9:31pm on Weds, Tavin Sara T. was stillborn. At 10:05pm Casey Elizabeth T. was born alive and lived for about the next hour and a bit. We lay with both beautiful, precious babies on our chests, and we spoke and sang to both of them while we held them.   

 

(This is @Manada talking: Tavin and Casey are so beautiful, and they both look so much like H. in different ways.   Tavin has a ridge on the back of her head that is a feature of H’s and H’s philtrum, which made her expression one that I recognized right away.  Casey has H’s lips, nose and ears for sure, and probably her cheek shape as well.   Both of our daughters also have H’s very distinct knees and her long monkey-toes; those were one of the first things I looked for.)  

We were very lucky to have our birth attended by our wonderful midwife even though we were obviously in the hospital. She caught both babies and was an incredible source of support through a day the horrors, sorrows, and beauties of which we have not yet really begun to process. 

We both feel so lucky for the 21 weeks we got to share with our Rockies and for getting to have both babies with us after they were born; we are grateful for the ways we did get to know them. We are also devastated beyond words at not getting to watch Casey and Tavin grow up together. 

We do not know for sure what caused the water to break and we may never know. On Tuesday we had an appointment with our twins specialist and everything looked great with the babies and with M’s cervix (which many of you know was shortened and had had put @Manada on bedrest for the last several weeks). The doctor was very happy and we returned home to bedrest.   Only 14 hours later, after M. waking up with a feeling of bladder discomfort and a very few minutes of mild cramping, Tavin's water broke abruptly and out of nowhere.   We went from waking up without reason for concern to paging the midwife and rushing to the hospital within 30 minutes.  

At the time of birth, there was an infection discovered in the uterus and amniotic fluid that was pretty severe and one that has not been adequately explained through research, nor can the doctors explain to us how or why it happened.  It may have been caused by the bleed a month ago, or that bleed may have been the first sign at that point that something was brewing.    We were so hopeful that things would be able to hold on until our babies would be safe, but despite the cervix doing well it happened.   There is no reason to believe the way this happened is related to the fact that we had twins or the cervix issues we had. 

Tavin's middle name Sara is after my aunt Sara who passed away from breast cancer several years ago. Casey's middle name Elizabeth is after Manada's great grandmother and after my mom's middle name.

We spent today making arrangements for our babies and on Wednesday we are planning to do a small outdoor ceremony with our families.

We love them both so much.
****loss discussed*****

We're queer. I'm 33, have severe stage 4 endo, and had both fallopian tubes removed. My love ("Manada" on the boards, 32) was diagnosed with diminished ovarian reserve. We did Partner IVF (my eggs, her uterus). We lost our twins Tavin and Casey at 21 weeks gestation.

Our IUIs
with @Manada: IUI# 1-7 (December 2012- September 2013) all BFN. Tried natural, femara, clomid, puregon/follistim, clomid and menopur combo, both the ovidrel and HCG triggers.

Our IVFs:
IVF #1 my eggs November/December 2013: Cancelled IVF due to poor response

IVF #2 my eggs/Manada's uterus January/February 2014
BCPs and lupron overlap Stimmed: 1/22-2/2: Bravelle and Menopur (dosage ranged from B300 and M150 to B375 and M150 to B300 and M225)
2/4 retrieved 10 eggs. Endo was much worse than expected. Only 3 eggs fertilized; February 7 transferred two day 3 embryos, froze one. All great condition.
BFP eve of 6dp3dt; Beta 1 (11dp3dt): 110; Beta 2 (13dp3dt): 175; Beta 3 (15dp3dt): 348; Beta 4 (19dp3dt): 2222; Beta 5 (21dp3dt): 4255
1st ultrasound (3/6  6w 1d): TWINS!!!! Twin A measuring 6w1d with a heartbeat of 118bpm. Twin B measuring 6w0d with a heartbeat of 113bpm. 

***July 18, 2014 we lost our beautiful babies at 21 weeks gestation. They were born too early. Tavin Sara T. and Casey Elizabeth T. are beautiful and precious and we will love them and miss them forever.***

FET #1 December 2014
Intralipid infusion on Dec 10. Transfer of 1 day 3 nine-cell embryo into my uterus on Dec. 19. (acupuncture immediately before and after)
BFP on Dec. 27; Beta 1 Jan 2 (14dp3dt): 665, Beta 2 Jan 4 (16dp3dt): 1859, Beta 3 Jan 6 (18dp3dt): 4449, Beta 4 Jan 10 (22dp3dt): 12,251.



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Re: XP: Manada and Healz413's very sad news (loss discussed)

  • I'm so sorry for the loss of your two precious babies. They sound beautiful and I'm glad that you were able to spend some time with them. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.
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  • I commented on the other board and again..I am so so very sorry of the loss of Gavin and Casey. It brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing the birth story and so glad you got to spend some time with them. Just heartbreaking. You two take care of each other...many hugs :(

    ME:46 MH:44 DE IVF 2014
    Met with RE 4/11. 2 IUI's BFN. DE best option. Switched clinics to do "shared" program. Had to retake all tests and a mamm that put me behind and then on a DE waiting list for 12 months. Picked a donor!! (10/13/13) Got matched. Estimated transfer in December. After 2.5 years of patiently waiting I will finally cycle....can hardly believe it. DE cycle got cancelled. One of her tests came back positive.  Waiting for another donor. Donor picked!! (1/18/14)

    DE IVF #1 (4/26) BFN  DE FET #1 (6/4) BFP! Beta 1=339 Beta 2=852 Beta 3=9957 EDD 2/22/15!!


     

     

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  • I am so incredibly sorry for your enormous losses. I can't begin to know the amount of pain and grief you are enduring. You have been in my thoughts and prayers and will continue to be. So very sorry.

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    Me (32) DH (36) - Finding our way to baby #1
    Me: POF/DOR - AMH <0.16, heterozygous c677t MTHFR, insulin resistant and gluten intolerant
    DH: Severe MFI

    12/2/11 - IUI #1- BFN 
    8/1/12 - IVF #1 - Zero response from max stims (600iu intramuscularly)

    My ovaries are just for decoration

    12/6/12 - Adopted five embryos that had been frozen for over ten years!
    2/11/13 - DEmbryo FET #1 Thawed four, sadly two didn't survive. Transferred two beautiful blasts. 
    2/16/13 - First BFP of my life @ 6dp5dt! EDD 10/30/13
    3/27/13 - After beta and u/s hell, no heartbeat ever detected. D&C at 9w1d.

    6/5/13 - Adopted four new embryos that had been frozen for seven years!
     
    9/12/13 - DEmbryo FET #2. Thawed and transferred two beautiful blasts
    9/17/13 - BFP @ 5dp6dt! EDD 05/31/14
    9/29/13 - m/c @ 5w1d. :(

    11/19/13 - DEmbryo FET #3. Thawed and transferred one blast from each batch. Wow!
    11/23/13 - BFP @ 4dp6dt! EDD 8/7/13
    Beta #1 @ 13dp6dt - 522  Beta #2 @ 16dp6dt - 1373 
    6w5d ultrasound showed one perfect baby with a beautiful heartbeat of 134bpm!

    Snowflake baby is a girl! 
    Our beautiful Snowflake girl arrived on July 22, 2014!   
    My embryo adoption blog: Wishing on a Snowflake
     
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  • I also commented on paif but wanted to send more hugs. Your family has been in my thoughts all weekend. Heartbreaking and cruel are the only words I can come up with. ((()))

    TTC #1 since 8/1/10; Me:41 and BRCA1+, DH:46
    DOR (FSH 24.3)/ terrible egg quality ; homozygous MTHFR c677t
    5 IUI's: 2/11 to 6/11 and 1/12= BFN
    OE IVF#1-4 8/11-6/12= all BFN
    DE IVF#1 11/12 bad embryos= BFN
    DE IVF #2 2/13 BFP/Beta hell: m/c 5w6d
    CFNBC 7 months, not doing well; decided on guarantee program at RBA w/frozen DE
    DE IVF #3 1/14  ET 4BB; BFP;M/C 5w1d, incomplete m/c; MVA extraction in ER 7w1d

    DE FET#1 ET 3/1714; BFP, beta 1 3/27= 197, beta 2 3/31= 1586, beta 3 4/7= 13879!!
    First u/s= Twins with HBs at 6w2d! We are Team Pink x 2!!

    K & K born 11/21/14 at 38wks 4 days

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  • Km672Km672 member
    I can't tell you how very sorry I am for the loss of your girls.

    Please know you are in our thoughts.

    I'm so sorry

    Me (32) DOR, elevated NK Cells/ 2 copies of MTHFR mutation/ MH (35) azoo/high DFI   (TTC#1 since 2009)

    IVFs#1-4: (4/10-2/12) all BFN

    Surprise Bfp (9/11) - c/p

    DS IUI#1-2 (9/12, 10/12) - BFN

    DS IVF: (11/12) - BFN

    DE/DS IVF#1: (10/13) - 2 day 3 embies transferred-BFFN

    FET of 2 day 6 blasts: (12/13) - c/p

    DE/DS IVF #2: (4/14) - 1 day 5 blast transferred...BFFN...again.

    FET 5/14: 1 day 5 hatching blast transferred...another BFFN

    Repeat SHG 6/14-normal / Endometrial Receptivity Array biopsy 7/14-Receptive Uterus

    New RE, additional testing reveals elevated NK Cells

    FET of 1 day 5 blast (RE recommends transferring 1 due to elevated NK cells) with lovenox, steroids & intralipids in October

     

     

     

  • I'm so sorry to hear of you loss. There are no words to ease the pain you must be feeling.  You shall be in my thoughts and prayers as you go through this difficult time.   

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     Hashimoto's with irregular cycles  DH- 37 Severe oligoasthenoteratozoospermia

    TTC since May 2012

    HSG- all clear

    March 2014 - RE appt. 
    April 2014- Saline sono all's good, terrible SA results - 8 sperm found all abnormal
    May 2014- Fert Urology- Bilateral varicoceles, recommend Donor Sperm
    12/2014-  Surprise natural BFP  EDD 7/31/15 Plan:  Starting foster to adoption, natural cycles




  • So sorry for your loss (((HUGS))) and you guys are in my thoughts and prayers.

    April 2013 DE IVF= BFN

    September 2013 DE IVF (Fingers Crossed) = BFFFN! again...

    October 2013 FET of our last 2 = Beta Hellzz for 6-7 Weeks. M/C

  • I'm just so vary sorry for the losses of your daughters. My heart goes out to you both. I will be keep you all in my thoughts & prayers!!!
    (((((Big Hugs)))))
  • JM1977JM1977 member
    My heart aches reading this. I am so, so sorry for the loss of your two precious babies. You are wonderful mothers to them. (((HUGS)))
    TTC with DOR, low morphology, fertilization issues
    IVF#1 Oct 2009 (CCRM) - BFN
    IVF#2 March 2010 - Poor response/cancelled
    DE IVF#1 Aug 2010 - BFN
    DE IVF#2 Dec 2010 - Transferred 1, 2 frozen - BFP!
    TTC#2 FET Jan 2013 - Transferred 1 - BFP!

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  • I can't believe I'm reading this.  I'm so, so sorry for your losses!  T&P are with you both!
    TTC #1 Since May 2011 ~ Everyone Welcome
    Me (34): DOR d/t chemo/radiation, Immature Endometrial Lining, Hypothyroidism
    DH (35): MFI d/t testicular torsion and removal, Low T, Oligospermia, Anti-Sperm Antibodies, Currently on T supplements
    Sept '11-April '13 ~  Testing, failed multiple MFI treatments, saving & TONS of praying
    January 2014 ~ IVF/ICSI & PGS ~ no response to stims ~ converted to IUI ~ BFN
    February 2014 ~ On to donor embyros ~ 5 blasts!!! 
    March 2014 ~ FET #1 ~ Transferred 2 blasts ~ BFN
    July 2014 ~ Kliman's mock cycle with endometrial function test
    Sample too small for EFT, HE slide showed immature cells
    New protocol planned, saving for another biopsy for EFT
    January 2015 ~ Considering adoption options
    April 2015 ~ Privately arranged adoption of planned pregnancy
    DD#1 ~ Lillyana Violet Marie born 6/15/16, Finalized adoption 12/20/16
    July 13, 2018 ~ BFP....WTF?!?!
    7/16 Beta #1 ~ 466...7/18 Beta #2 ~ 1,077...7/23 Beta #3 ~ 5,291
    7/23 US #1 ~ 1 gestational sac seen and yolk sac
    7/30 US #2 and 1st OB appt ~ 1 perfectly round gestational sac, 1 perfect yolk sac and 1 teeny tiny heart beat seen!!!
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  • Words can not express how sorry I am for you & your family's loss.
  • e74e74 member
    I'm am so sorry for your loss and will be praying for you both!
    DS#1 born 9/23/06 
    Twins DS#2 and 3 born at 31 weeks, 3 days due to a short cervix on 8/2/13.
  • I am so sorry for your loss.  
     36 DH 33 TTC for over 3 years
    First mini-IVF Sept 2011... Only 1 egg! ... BFN
    Switching RE
    IVF#2 May 2012 9 eggs and only 2 sperm, WTH!
    BFN
    IVF #3 March 2013~Tesa with back-up Donor Sperm,Tesa, unsuccessful used DS~ Chemical :(   

    Switching RE's within practice

    2 frosties waiting for us, November 2013!!!!!   Transferred 2 "average" blasts 11/20/2013
    BFP!!!!!!!  Boy/Girl Twins!!!!!! Due 08/08/2014

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