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Dog people: I need your help

My husband and I have decided that our family is ready for a dog.  I am not even sure where to start.  We would like a mid sized dog (no fluffy white ones).  Our yard is partially fenced and 1/3 of an acre.  We are willing to finish fencing if the need arises.  I am home (work very part time) and able to walk the dog a lot.  We are also able to put in the time to get the necessary training.  We have no allergies in the family, but I would prefer a dog with hair.  

 TLDR:   What kind of dog would you suggest for a family of 5?  Do we get a rescue?  If not do no how do we find a good breeder.  If we do get a rescue how do we review the dogs history?  So many questions... 
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  • Go to dogbreedinfo.com and do their questionaire. That will tell you good breeds to look at. For medium sized dogs I'd recommend something like an australian shepherd, corgi, spaniel, lab, or retriever. Those tend to be great little family dogs. If you want something specific and want to start with a puppy, you'd go the breeder route. This is what I did/do. To find a good reputable breeder I'd start with the national breed club through the AKC, they will typically have club recognized breeders that have to adhere to certain guidelines to be listed. Once you do that contact breeders and talk with them. Find out what sort of genetic testing they do, how many litters a year, ect. Then try to get on wait lists. Good breeders always have a wait list and will place based upon family needs on personality. Do not expect to show up in someones back yard to play with puppies while you pick which one you like. Good breeders will also have you sign a contract. Usually this contract is a promise to spay/neuter at a specific age and the breeder will stay in contact with you until you do so.

    If you go the rescue route, you'll probably not get a puppy. You may get a young adult, but probably not a puppy. You'll also typically not know the history of said dog. However, if you want a specific breed apply to the breed rescues. Which you will typically find on the breed club website. Expect a long interview process and to have many places deny you. Good rescues have very specific parameters to allow you to adopt.

    Then there's always the option of going to your local pound and picking a dog. This can have great rewards, but can have huge drawbacks. All depends on what you want as a family.
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  • You will likely know more of a dog's personality via a rescue than a breeder.  Rescues want the right forever home, breeders (for the most part) want a pay check. There are exceptions to both. 

    If you aren't breed specific, research and contact a local rescue that handles all breeds.   
    This is very untrue. Good breeders aren't doing this for a paycheck. They do it to improve the breed. All the breeders I personally have worked with were just as thorough as rescues and placed with me based off of personality and needs, not just to earn a quick buck.
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  • Suggest also looking for a rescue, you can go to Petfinder and search your local area. You can actually find lots of full breed dogs if that's what you want, it lets you search by breed.

    The one breed I would suggest staying away from is Jack Russells, they are very headstrong and not very good with kids generally speaking. My mom has one and it terrorizes my nieces.

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  • You will likely know more of a dog's personality via a rescue than a breeder.  Rescues want the right forever home, breeders (for the most part) want a pay check. There are exceptions to both. 

    If you aren't breed specific, research and contact a local rescue that handles all breeds.   
    This is very untrue. Good breeders aren't doing this for a paycheck. They do it to improve the breed. All the breeders I personally have worked with were just as thorough as rescues and placed with me based off of personality and needs, not just to earn a quick buck.
    That would be the exceptions part of that sentence.
  • A reputable breeder will match a dog who has been temperament tested with a family that can work with that temperament.  But rescues have a good place too.

    Honestly, I think a lot of it come down to preference and what you are hoping to do with the dog.  Just a family pet?  Do some dog training as a long term hobby?  Guard dog or otherwise working dog?  I'm assuming the first, and you can look up all kinds of lists about what breeds are best for what.  I'd read them for a while and let it all sink in before deciding.

    That said, I LOVE having a standard poodle.  They do take some regular grooming, but it's not too bad.  They are great family dogs, have a decent amount of energy and are quite funny.  They are also quite smart while still (often) being people pleasers, so training isn't as hard as it is with many other breeds.  And I LOVE that they don't shed.  It's wonderful.

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  • Another huge fan of rescues.  Both of our dogs are rescues and have been wonderful for our family.  We also got them both as puppies.  You can find rescues that work with specific breeds if you are looking for something specific (I have an aunt who volunteers with a basset hound rescue organization) or you can go to the local animal shelter and just pick one that speaks to you.  We used Petfinder for ours and then went to visit the ones we were interested in based on the photos and personality descriptions.  It has worked out very well for us, those two dog-human hybrids are part of our family.  :)

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  • I'm a huge rescue advocate! My three animals are rescues and they are a perfect match.

    I would look at humane societies but more specifically I would look at Petfinder. So many of these places have transports available to get the pup to you. Depending on where you're located, I got our first dog (the gray one in my sig) from a rescue called Bright Hope Animal Rescue in Tennessee and they transported him up north to us. The other dog, the black one in my sig, came from a rescue called PAWS in Marion, Arkansas. Check them out on Facebook if you can.

    Local rescues near you will be willing for you to meet with dogs and match your family to a good pup personality. Do some reading on how to pick a dog with the right temperament too, it's important to know what to look for.

    If you have a Tractor Supply near you, they usually have rescues that come in during a weekend day to advertise and they'll bring dogs in to meet potential families. That's how I found one of mine.

    Good luck with the search. Dogs are the best!
                                                    


                                                          

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  • My MIL is a breeder so some tips if you decide to go that way. Ask to see the parents, if they don't let you that can be a red flag. If they don't ask you anything about your life and home that can be another red flag. A good breeder will want the dog to go to a good home, not just any home. My MIL has refused to sell to quite a few people she didn't think would make good owners. Also make sure you get some sort of signed documentation saying you get your money back if the dog has any health issues. Do google searches on the breeder also. Personally though, I would probably go with a rescue unless I wanted a specific breed.
    On the flip side many reputable breeders (who are breeding to improve the breed, show or working dogs) will not have the stud on property since they may have gone with a stud from a different kennel that fit what they were trying to accomplish in that breeding.

    Many times only "hobby breeders" will own both the sire and dam.

    If you want to go the reputable breeder route, getting a "pet quality" dog (does not meet the conformation or working standards) on a pet contract (you have to neuter) can be a great way to get a dog with a solid temperament and good health line.
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  • You can absolutely get specific breed puppies from rescues, it just requires research, just the same as breeders. My dogs' breed isn't for everyone, so I don't make any recommendations, but I'll echo PP about doing your research. It's important to find a dog that fits your needs and lifestyle. I would like to say, though, that mutts are great! So don't rule them out.
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  • I'm running out the door but I actually disagree with a number of nana's recommended breeds. Many are high energy or huge shedders. You said you CAN walk a lot, do you want to have to? Every day? Rain or shine? And run the dog?

    How about daily brushing?

    Yeah, some of them are fairly high energy. I was just going off of family dogs. Which is why I suggest the breed questionaire. It'll tellyou much better breeds for your needs than my brain. Lol
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    I won't tell you what I think you should do, only what I would do in your situation ...

    Background: we have had 1 purebred from a breed-specific rescue (adopted at 2yrs old), 1 mixed breed from the Humane Society (adopted as a puppy), and 1 purebred from a very reputable breeder (our current dog, acquired as a puppy).

    Knowing what I know now and what we have gone though, I would likely NOT get a puppy.  Puppies take a tremendous amount of work and are really difficult as your first dog experience (you didn't state this was a first dog, but I made the assumption).   There are also no guarantees that they will be good with kids just because they grow up with them, and that can lead to heartbreaking situations later on.

    I would likely look at dogs that are currently being fostered through a rescue organization (breed specific is fine, but there are many that are not breed specific as well - there are lots of mixed breed dogs that are awesome).  As PP stated, foster organizations will typically work with you to find the right dog for your family.  It's also really nice to have someone currently caring for the dog who can speak to you about the dog's true personality, challenges, and strengths.

    tl;dr - If this were me, I'd find a nice mixed-breed dog through a rescue so that I had access to information about their history and temperment, and I would definitely avoid a puppy as my first dog.

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  • Have either you or your husband owned a dog before? How long ago?


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  • I agree with PP, if this is your first as a family, I wouldn't go with a puppy. And I also agree that if I were you I'd find a pretty calm dog who is at least 1 or 2. That gets them over the crazy stage and they should be almost fully grown. An organization would help you out to find the right match I think.
                                                    


                                                          

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  • Have either you or your husband owned a dog before? How long ago?
    Thanks everybody for all the advice.  

    Both of us grew up with dogs through young adulthood, but neither of us has been the primary owner.  
    Just to give you an idea about us.  We are a fairly active family.  We are outside most of the weekend and after school (when it is in session).  We like to do easy hikes on our  family time, spend time in state parks etc.  Our vacations are usually in a rural area renting a house or camping.  We live in a suburb with easy access to open space and woods.  I am willing to groom, but I am not stuck on having a dog that does not shed, it is just a preference.  My husband does work long hours so the weekday work would be up to me and the kids as they get older.  
    I am getting dinner together, but I will be on later.  
    Thanks again for the help.
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  • RondackHikerRondackHiker member
    edited June 2014



    Have either you or your husband owned a dog before? How long ago?
    Thanks everybody for all the advice.  

    Both of us grew up with dogs through young adulthood, but neither of us has been the primary owner.  
    Just to give you an idea about us.  We are a fairly active family.  We are outside most of the weekend and after school (when it is in session).  We like to do easy hikes on our  family time, spend time in state parks etc.  Our vacations are usually in a rural area renting a house or camping.  We live in a suburb with easy access to open space and woods.  I am willing to groom, but I am not stuck on having a dog that does not shed, it is just a preference.  My husband does work long hours so the weekday work would be up to me and the kids as they get older.  
    I am getting dinner together, but I will be on later. &nbsp
    Thanks again for the help.

    I can be on to give you some advice later!



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  • Ok, after reading your later responses I could probably give you better idea. My views are skewed. I grew up around show dogs, breeders, ect. I've had rescues as well as purebreds. I personally prefer going the breeder route (if thats not obvious). Nothing against rescues and shelters, it's just not my thing. However, we are probably clinically insane. In 2 years we've had a baby, gotten a corgi puppy 3.5 months later, and are now on puppy number two. Botth our pups are from reputable breeders. Getting a puppy is tons of work! I swore after Ein we really were insane, she was a difficult puppy at first. Elsa has been work in her own way, but easier in other ways. I will say I'd love to get an honest 8 hours of sleep again. Elsa is like having a newborn again. She gets taken out every 3 hours overnight and whines/howls in her kennel. It's been rough since getting her on Sunday at night. We also have breeds that people told us specifically NOT to get for our family. We love them though and I put great amount of work into them.

    The key there though is work. Puppies are tons of work! It's like adding a baby at first. If I was in your shoes I'd go down to the shelter or local rescue and pick up a young adult. You know, those dogs ages 6months-2 years. All the hard stuff is done, but things like training can always be done (and is encouraged). I'd probably pick some sort of lab, boxer, or mix there of. You'd want something that wasn't super high maintenance grooming wise like an aussie or a retriever, but still fairly energetic to keep up with hiking and what not. For your first dog, that is what I'd do.
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  • Rescue. Rescue. Rescue.
    I LOVE both of my rescue pups. :)))
  • My pits definitely shed like it's their job. We have dog hair everywhere. Also, I don't know how, but I've gotten the little needles of fur stuck in the bottom of my foot like a splinter. How does that even happen?! 
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  • I'm a huge advocate for a rescue for sure, especially if you have the time/energy/ability to break habits in an older rescue. Depending on what size of dog you're comfortable with, we have a Mastiff cross and she is wonderful! Big, lazy, plays fetch like a champ with my 3.5 & 5 yr olds. Her breed is a homebody, so if left outside, they don't typically go far, and they are protective of their home. We also have a pug cross, but he's a jerk and ignores my kids entirely.
    Labs are generally family friendly as well, though higher energy.
    There are a ton of other breeds, I'd do some research as PP's have suggested and then visit some shelters to meet some dogs.

    Have fun!!! Enjoy your new addition!
  • I vote for rescuing a mutt.

    We humans are all mutts and a mix of many different cultures, countries and heritages.

    I've had "brand name" dogs and I've had mutts. Both were always wonderful family companions and truly a part of the family. All of our mutts were a little more laid back and had fewer health problems over the years than a couple of the pure breeds.

    Check out the different temperaments of breeds and their personality traits to see what would fit your family the best. Then hit the shelters and start looking for that one (or three) that just grab your heart and beg you to take them home and love them.

    Puppies are wonderful, playful little bundles of joy. A dog that's a year old is much easier to take care of. Smaller dogs tend to live longer than large dogs, so consider that in your search also. 
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  • PP had a good point about dog's activity level. Most families who consider themselves active should actually have a moderate energy level dog. Part of that is so that when you're busier the dog isn't nuts, but mostly it's because very few people are really active enough to burn energy off of an Australian shepherd or a border collie.

    Some breeds need hours of running a day and then work/training/active brain time. Even two long walks a day wouldn't cut it.

    When I mention the breeds below, also consider crosses. For you, I highly recommend a dog in the one to two year range. You haven't had a dog in awhile and with kids, adopting an adult dog from a good foster home will let you know what you're getting. Even well raised puppies can be surprises (more active or more fearful or less patient than you hoped). A grown dog is old enough for long hikes and lots of playtime and needs less training and is past the biting stage.

    Would you consider a greyhound? They're larger but they're lovely dogs who tend to the lazy side.

    A poodle won't shed and they are great dogs. Smart and playful and active. They'll need more exercise than a greyhound, but a greyhound may be on the lazy side for you. I'd get a standard poodle if I were you. You don't have to do the "poodle trim". Remember that not all poodle crosses inherit the poodle coat.

    I love pits, but they're the current "bad breed". If you rent or may rent during the dog's lifetime or may move to an area where they are banned, consider another breed. Pits are usually laid back and great nanny dogs.

    I love corgis but they tend to be shedders. Big ones.

    Would you consider a collie or a sheltie? Sometimes can be barky, but they're smart and friendly and fun.

    Labs can be great if you pick a typical one. With their popularity there is a huge range. Some are huge and super high energy, but they cannot be beat for trainability. I learned to train with other breeds and never liked labs until I trained my first one. They're so easy to train that I fell in love.

    Don't discount a dog like the Pomeranian. I know many people who hike with their poms. Same with yorkies. Great little dogs.

    I'd stay away from the following breeds. I love these breeds but they're high energy and do best with a job and from your posts, you wouldn't burn enough energy or be able to provide them with an appropriate job: border collie, Australian shepherd, cattle dog... Really, most hounds or herding dogs don't sound quite right.


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  • outnumberedoutnumbered member
    edited June 2014
    Thanks for the all the advice.  I suspected that we did not want a high energy dog.  We are outside quite a bit, but getting a high energy dog out for appropriate exercise would be hard with three kids and my husband working long hours. 

    We have been thinking about labs and collies.  My parents had a rescue lab that we all loved. We still miss her four years after she was euthanized.  We have been doing a bit of research on collies because my husbands coworker has a collie that had puppies.  We would not necessarily get a puppy from them, it just got us thinking about that breed.  We will put poodle on the list to think about.  I know that they are very smart.  I actually like pits, but I am hesitant to get one because we might be moving in the next 5 years.

    Again thanks for all the help.  I think we will figure out what kind of dog would be happy with us and go from there.  I am willing to wait and get the right dog.  I can see what happens when you rush the process.  Our neighbors got a dog and it is not a good fit in their family.  Not a good situation.

    ETA:  We would most likely get a dog that is young, but not a puppy.  It would be nice to have an idea of the dogs personality.
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  • If you are set on a specific breed, you can also contact breeders to see if they are retiring their older dogs.

    That's how I ended up with my little nugget.  She was a breeder surrender and I got her when she was around 3 years old.

  • I will admit that I was very breed specific and I wasn't just going to adopt any mutt.  Not that I wouldn't love to be able to do that, but I live in a big city in a condo with no yard and I work full time.  I didn't want to get a mutt that ends up barking ALL of the time and needs constant exercise.  I needed a lazier breed that doesn't bark much.

    I did actually try to adopt a couple pugs and french bulldogs and I just kept losing out because there were better homes out there for them.  

    That's when I contacted the breeder and she happened to have a dog that she wanted to retire.  She did want me to come there and see how we reacted to each other.  It was like a match made in heaven.

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