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The Future of SAIF

TJ1979TJ1979 member
edited June 2014 in Success after IF
TB is talking about combining SAIF and PAIF. I gave my opinion, then thought this is really something you guys should get a say on.
If it changes your vote at all, they are open to adding a One and Done, Not by Choice board.
Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
TTC with PCOS since November 2009
IUI#1 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 3-7) = BFP, m/c
IUI#2 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 5-9) = BFN
IUI#3 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 3-7) = BFP!
beta #1 11/23 = 270, P4 = 75
beta #2 11/28 = 2055
Our daughter E was born 7/29/2012!
Surprise, our 2nd daughter P was born 5/22/14!
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The Future of SAIF 84 votes

Yes! Combine SAIF and PAIF!
10% 9 votes
No! Please keep them separate!
76% 64 votes
Special Snowflake - leave a comment below
1% 1 vote
I don't have a preference, or I just want to see the results.
11% 10 votes

Re: The Future of SAIF

  • TJ1979TJ1979 member
    They are saying they seem to be the same thing, and we can combine and move them both under parenting.
    TTC with PCOS since November 2009
    IUI#1 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 3-7) = BFP, m/c
    IUI#2 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 5-9) = BFN
    IUI#3 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 3-7) = BFP!
    beta #1 11/23 = 270, P4 = 75
    beta #2 11/28 = 2055
    Our daughter E was born 7/29/2012!
    Surprise, our 2nd daughter P was born 5/22/14!
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  • They used to be the same, but were split because pregnancy does not equal "success" in the form of a take home baby, and pregnant ladies didnt feel comfortable posting. I don't have an opinion either way. SAIF has really changed in the last couple of years, and I don't post much because it's so TTC-centric rather than parenting-centric.
    Married 8/2008. IVF with PGD March 2013.
    3/22 ER: 25R, 20M, 15F. 9 genetically normal, and 3 survived to Day 5
    3/27 ET: transferred 1 embryo, beta 9dp5dt=163, 12dp5dt=639
    4/25 1st ultrasound at 7 weeks = identical twins with heartbeats?!!!
    PPROM at 31w, delivery at 32 weeks of two beautiful girls
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    CarrieB.
  • I sent an email about how SAIF should be under parenting and not pregnancy and gave an explanation of why it is differ than PAIF. They should absolutely NOT combine them IMO.
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    kmc84
  • mnj05mnj05 member
    There are so many people on PAIF that post compared to here. Of course more are welcome here and we could grow, but I wouldn't feel like I "knew" people as well or feel comfortable posting. I intro'd over there while pregnant but hardly ever posted because it was just too much.

    That all sounds bad but I don't have a better way of articulating it at the moment.

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    TTC #1 since 3/2011
    DX: anovulatory and severe MFI
    DH is a testicular cancer survivor
    IVF#1 w/ICSI lupron, gonal f, ovidrel
    ER 6/15/12 6R 6M 6F! ET 6/20/12
    Beta #1: 154 Beta #2: 509 Beta #3: 7326
    Baby Boy born 3/1/2013
    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker

    TTC#2: 6/2014 all testing came back normal

    IVF#2 (#1 for LO#2) 9/2014 - 17R 10M 10F 4 blasts frozen on day 6.

    FET #1 10/15/14 - Beta #1: 216  Beta #2: 823


    Baby Boy born 7/10/2015


    [Deleted User]
  • I think they should be kept separate. They have two different purposes and I agree with PP. I also have noticed that people don't agree on secondary IF. I learned it as those who don't struggle with IF the first time but they do the second time they try to conceive. Where others see it as you struggled for the first with IF and are struggling a second time for another. It's nice to know we can find the support here when trying for siblings without the confusion of figuring out where one belongs.
    ~TTC since July 2010~
    CD3 Bloodwork:Normal 
    HSG-Clear 
    SA:Low Morph 
    IVF with ICSI #1: ER 12/16 (4 ER/3 Mature/0 Fertilized) 
    IVF with ICSI #2: ER 5/17 (4 ER/4 Mature/3 Fertilized)/ET 5/20 (2 embryos transferred)-BFN 
    IVF with PICSI #3: ER 9/8 (11 ER/8 Mature/7 Fertilized)/ET 9/13 (2 AA blastocysts transferred) 
    Beta#1, 9/26/12: 719 Beta#2, 9/28/12: 1,436 Beta#3, 10/1/12: 3,446
    1st u/s on 10/10/12: It's Twins! We found out on 12/16/12 that we were having two BOYS!
    C & D were born on 5/16/13 at 10:46 am and 10:47 am


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    jessica_gail2[Deleted User]jesselayne8
  • @ruthie04 - great points. Addme to the NOT a fan of this idea club.....I think it would be a disaster and for various reasons I think the PAIFers would take over. This who,e thing would make me really sad bc SAIF is the one board I feel I've made real connections/friends on


    "I won't give up on us, even if the skies get rough, I'm giving you all my love, I"m still looking up."
    TTC #1 since August 2011 MFI Diagnosis - April 2012
    IVF #1 - July 2012 - Stims start 7/2, ER 7/12, 20 retrieved, 16 mature, 13 fertilized!
    ET - 7/17 - 1 blast transferred. Beta - 7/26 273, Beta 2 7/30 - 1143. Beta 3 8/6 - 11,597
    12/25 - Santa tells us "IT'S A GIRL!" EDD - April 4th

    Our Little Easter Bunny has arrived!

    Molly Mildred born 03/31/13


    TTC A Sibling....... FET #1 11/14/14, Transferred one beautiful blast

    Remaining four frosties arrested due to "embryologist error"

    Plllllleasssee stick little icicle.....Beta 11/23...BFN

    Starting ALL over with a fresh IVF cycle

    Stims start 11/28/14, ER December 10th, 13 eggs retrieved, 11 mature, only 4 fertilized 

    1 Blast Transferred on December 15th..... Beta Christmas Eve... Please Santa, bring me a baby!

    Beta #1 345.....Beta #2....750/ First U/S 1/13/15/HB 131....EDD 9/2/2015

    Ruthie04pinkmickey24[Deleted User]kmc84
  • Nooooooooo!!! The PAIF board was created right around the time I got pregnant with DS. We FOUGHT HARD for that board! After struggling through IF most ladies do not consider that they have had success as soon as they see a BFP or even halfway through their pregnancies. I personally did NOT feel comfortable posting on SAIF when I was pregnant simply because I was so emotionally scarred and I did feel like I had truly been successful until I had a baby inmy arms. It would be a damn shame for them to take that board away after everything we did to get it created. I would welcome all the PAIF ladies here with open arms, but they should not be forced over to a board called success until they feel ready to be here.
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    After two Clomid cycles, three injectable IUI cycles, two IVFs, two miscarriages, and one lap surgery, IVF #2 has brought us our little boy!

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    TTC #2
    After months of being postponed or cancelled, FET #1.3 (Natural FET) brought us twin girls!

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    Surprise! Baby #4 is due in March!
    [Deleted User]kmc84imoveritphishgirl29
  • I agree on everything stated above and cannot add more but I would like a OAD- NBC board. The reason I do not post her much is that we are OAD by IF and I cannot relate anywhere else on TB but I find it hard to read all the TTC#2 posts. I hope at least for that change

    Multiple ectopics, 2 failed IVF's
    IVF #1: Did not get to ET, embies all failed PGD (major chromosomal defects)
    IVF #2: We have 2 chromosomally perfect embies as a result of PGD (Boy/Girl) 1 failed the thaw (Girl) Transferred 1, yet ended as a c/p
    Thought it was the end of our TTC Journey 6/20/2012
    SHOCK BFP 9/28/2012: IT'S A BOY! and everything is normal !!!!!!

    Little A born 38w 2d on 05/23/13 and is a true miracle for this IF Vet!
     

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    [Deleted User]MoFreeimoverit
  • mnj05 said:
    There are so many people on PAIF that post compared to here. Of course more are welcome here and we could grow, but I wouldn't feel like I "knew" people as well or feel comfortable posting. I intro'd over there while pregnant but hardly ever posted because it was just too much. That all sounds bad but I don't have a better way of articulating it at the moment.
    Same for me. I don't think it would benefit PAIFers or SAIFers to combine them. I think we'd lose people.
    DH and I are Americans living an adventure in Kenya since 2011
    DX: PCOS (annovulatory)
    Feb 2012: IUI #1 w/ only 1M sperm and a single follie = BFP! 
    Nov 2012: Little buddy born in Kenya
    Nov 2013: Trying for a second, still w PCOS
    Dec 2013: IUI cycle canceled for non-response
    Jan 2014: Break cycle BFP!

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  • e74e74 member
    Like everyone else has said and for many of the same reasons, I don't feel it would be a good idea to combine the boards.
    DS#1 born 9/23/06 
    Twins DS#2 and 3 born at 31 weeks, 3 days due to a short cervix on 8/2/13.
  • I think combining the boards is a horrible idea. Just as pregnant women don't necessarily want to read posts about parenting, I'm not a fan of reading a ton of pregnancy related posts when I visit my "safe place." Yes, I am very fortunate to have 3 children, and I am always excited to read good news about our expectant SAIFers, but I also have mixed feelings and a lot of confusion regarding the future of our family and our frozen blast.

    DX: DOR and MFI 

     

    IVF w/ICSI brought us our 1st precious miracle

    V born via induction 4.29.11

    TTC #2: IVF (MDLF) August/September 2012

    ER 9/7: 6R, 5M, 4F ET 9/12: 5dt of 2 blasts 

    +HPT 9/17! Beta #1 (9/25) = 1,000 Beta #2 (9/27) = 1,860 U/S #1 (10/11)...TWINS!

    1/8/13 - It's a..boy and a girl!!   

     

    S&B born via induction 5.8.13

     

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    imoveritkmc84queenbone
  • I think I am a perfect example of why combining the boards isn't a good idea. Many of you know my story. I was blessed with twins from my 2nd IVF but they were born too early to survive. This was absolutely not 'success after infertility' though I was pregnant for a while and definitely belonged on PAIF during that time. I guess the question is how do you define 'success after infertilty' - getting pregnant, completing the 1st trimester, bringing home a living baby? I think it is safe to say that for most of us bringing home a living child is the end point for 'success.'
    IUIs #1-3 (1x unmedicated, 2x Clomid) = 2 BFNs, 1 m/c at 7w3d
    IUIs #4-6 (injects) = 3 BFNs
    IVF #1 = BFN
    FET #1 = BFN
    FET #2 = BFN
    IVF #2 = BFP, b/g twins lost at 20w due to partial abruption/PPROM
    IVF #3 = c/p 5w2d
    Long-shot Clomid/Prednisone cycle before next IVF = BFP, our beautiful, healthy girl born 6/26/13!
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    TTC again March 2014
    FET #3 - May/June 2014
    - all embryos arrested before xfer - back to the drawing board...
    IVF #4 - July/August 2014 
    beta 1 (11dp3dt) 220, beta 2 (13dp3dt) 671, beta 3 (19dp3dt) 10762
    imoveritkmc84phishgirl29Mayzie15
  • Queue some Offspring "keep 'em separated".

    I found PAIF to be an awesome landing pad when I was pregnant. I would have been overwhelmed with the parenting chatter on SAIF. I think for the tone of the board would change. I would be more reluctant to post funny toddler moments in case someone posted about a loss right after. Our parenting moments are very trivial compared to some of the stuff the ladies on PAIF are going through. 

    Besides, I love you guys!! And I want to stomp, clap, cheer and pass out creep internet hugs when we get a new PAIF grad to cross over!

    Both boards are pretty busy, why the push to shove them together?
    TTC Since 3/2010
    Me-36, Unexplained Infertility, DH-35, all clear
    Clomid 50mg 12/2011 = BFN
    Clomid 100mg 1/2012 = BFN, with Cyst
    IVF #1 Lupron/Menopur/Gonal-f/HCG Trigger
    ER 4/19/12 = 11 retrieved, 6 fertilized,
    ET 4/22/12 = 2 transfered (day 3), remaining 3 weren't good enough to freeze
    Beta 5/3 = BFP, 87 Beta #2 5/7 560.9 Beta #3 5/9 1376.5 First u/s One Baby, 125bpm!
    Second u/s, 176bmp! Kicked over to the OB by the RE at 8w. Team Green!! 
    Baby girl J arrived two weeks early! Born into water, med-free. Hooray for Team Pink!

    TTC #2 - back to the RE, treatment started 12/2014. 

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    kmc84[Deleted User]imoverit[Deleted User]
  • I think those that are fortunate enough to make it to PAIF are still very shell shocked from IF and need a please to cautiously be excited without too much talk of the future.  The boards need to be kept separate.  
    H: 34 dx Azoospermia due to CBAVD from CF  
    ME: 39 IS FINE!!!  DOR and poor AMH/FSH/LH
    IVF/ICSI/PESA #1 Beta 1 373 Beta 2 1783 BOY/GIRL TWINS!! Born April 2010!!
    Natural FET 5/26/12 2 blasts Beta 1 207 Beta 2 513 Beta 3 1377 U/S 6/28 Pregnancy not viable d & c scheduled :( 
    IVF/ICSI/PESA #2 ER 11/15/12 Nothing to transfer :( 
    IVF/ICSI #3 April 2013 MDLF 3dt of 3 embryos, chemical :(  
    IVF #4/ICSI/MESA/CCS/FET EPP April 2015
    ODWU CCRM with Dr. Sch COMPLETE!!!! Put on acai supplement they are studying for DOR and embryo quality.
    DAY 3 Labs Drawn 2/26 put on vitamin D and calcium supplements
    Regroup and Protocol Reveal 3/04 "Bazooka Protocol" EPP with MDLF "Protocol 6 with patches"
    ER/MESA 4/10 ER 9 eggs retrieved MESA success found live swimmers :)
    Fertilization Report 6 eggs mature and ICSI'd 4 eggs fertilized normally
    Day 6 Report to Blast for CCS 4/16: 2 DAY 5 BLASTS BIOPSIED FOR CCS a 4AB and a 3AB!!!!
    CCS Results BOTH BLASTS CCS NORMAL!!!!!!  call on 4/24
    Regroup call to discuss CCS results and FET call on 5/20
    FET prep: CD 1 6/08 CD 3 Start BCP 6/10, HSG 6/12 Lupron Start 10 iu 6/17 End BCP 6/21 CD 1 6/23!!!
    Start vivelle patches 6/25 change e/o/d reduce Lupron to 5iu 6/25 Blood Draw 7/01, 7/08, 7/15, 7/19
    Increase vivelle patches 7/03 2 change e/o/d and 7/05 change e/o/d 3 and 7/07 4 change e/o/d add vaginal estrace 2x a day
    Lining Check/Blood Draw 7/08 and 7/15 End Lupron 7/18  Start PIO 1ml daily 7/18  Blood  Draw 7/19
    Flight to clinic 7/22
    FET 2 CCS BLASTS :):)  7/23 :):) YES YES both thawed and both fully expanded :):)
    7/26 :):) 3dp5dt PM very very faint positive FRER
    7/27: 4dp5dt Neg Digi AM but very very faint positive FRER PM POSITIVE DIGI CLEARBLUE PREGNANT 1-2 :):) 
    7/31:8dp5dt AM POSITIVE DIGI CLEARBLUE PREGNANT 2-3!!!! :):) 
    Beta 1 8/01= 408!!!!!!!!!! at 9dp5dt FET
    Beta 2 8/03 = 1014!!!!!!!!!! at 11dp5dt FET
    8/05/2015 AM POSITIVE DIGI CLEARBLUE PREGNANT 3+!!!! :):) 
    First Ultrasound: 8/20!!!!!! TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Genetics says BOTH BOYS!!!!!!!!!
    Second Ultrasound: 9/03!!!!!!!!!!










     










    imoveritkmc84
  • TJ1979TJ1979 member
    Ladies - thank you all for your input! I am going to close this poll and put up a separate post to discuss the outcomes.
    TTC with PCOS since November 2009
    IUI#1 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 3-7) = BFP, m/c
    IUI#2 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 5-9) = BFN
    IUI#3 Femara/Ovidrel (cd 3-7) = BFP!
    beta #1 11/23 = 270, P4 = 75
    beta #2 11/28 = 2055
    Our daughter E was born 7/29/2012!
    Surprise, our 2nd daughter P was born 5/22/14!
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