March 2014 Moms

Vaccines

Has anyone decided to break up the vaccines? People keep telling me I should do this and I just wondered other peoples experience?
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Re: Vaccines

  • We are delayed because he can't have shots until he recovers from surgery. I think the CDC offers a recommended delay schedule? We did them at the normal recommended times for my daughter.
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  • memo9memo9 member
    Our pedi only does two shots at each visit.
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  • LO is getting her first round of shots (besides the hep b she already got in the hospital) in another week. Our plan is to get them all and on schedule. Unless there's ever a medical reason for us to change it up, we'll continue it that way.

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  • Khope87Khope87 member
    Eeeeek we have our LO's scheduled for Friday..... I'm scared! I'm pro vaccines, but someone is going to be hurting my LO :( it's just scary as you try so hard to protect them from any pain..... DH said he would take an hour off to go with us. I hope she doesn't cry, or if she does then is easily soothed.... Bottle on hand for straight after I think!!
  • We just did our 2 month all at once. LO had a rough time after...I can't imagine doing it more than necessary.
    I have heard nursing during the vaccination can help them handle all those vaccines at once.

    @dotgirl2‌ the biggest reason people have shared with me about breaking up the shots is that all those shots at the same time are too much on LOs immune system which could cause: asthma, diabetes, autism, autoimmune disorder ect i couldn't find credible research to back it up but anyone who has shared their anti vax stance with me has made this argument
  • kirotea said:
    We did them all at once. Why make your kid go through it more than he has to?

    This is exactly what we thought. AJ got 2 shots and an oral vaccine yesterday. If we broke them up he still would have gotten 2 shots yesterday and an additional 2 next month.
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  • dotgirl2 said:
    I agree with @kirotea. LO had his yesterday - 2 shots and the drinkable one. He cried after each shot for about 5-10 seconds, then he was totally fine. When people tell you to do them separately, what's their rationale?

    one concern is that what is a "safe" amount of injected aluminum has NEVER been studied. https://www.askdrsears.com/topics/health-concerns/vaccines/vaccine-faqs
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  • Yes we delayed.  We did 2 last week (one shot and one oral) and 2 (2 shots) yesterday.  Our pediatrician says a lot of parents spread them out.  I am glad we did.  Last week LO was sleepy.  Yesterday she was fussy, sleepy, and ran a fever.  Today her fever is gone but is still a little irritable. I think 4 vaccines into a 2 month old's body all at once is crazy.
  • The only reason I can see for breaking them, at least the first time around is if there is a history of allergies in the family. This way you can tell what they are reacting to.

    This. We're breaking them up for this reason. Pedi is pretty sure he wouldn't have an issue on the regular schedule, but because there's a possibility I decided to opt for the delayed/broken out schedule.
  • I wouldn't delay unless there's some reason, like for babylimas Will. I'd rather get them all at once so she doesn't have to keep getting shots and possible reactions.
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  • People's advice has been for all of these reasons...I plan on getting all four at once next week. But once people started saying it to me, I started to wonder if I was making the right decision.
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  • KariB509 said:
    I wouldn't delay unless there's some reason, like for babylimas Will. I'd rather get them all at once so she doesn't have to keep getting shots and possible reactions.

    ? That doesn't really make sense? If a baby is going to have a reaction, it will have it whether all the vaccines are at the same time or delayed, so wouldn't you rather have them separated so you know WHICH vaccine caused the reaction? I'm just saying if you mention reactions, I don't understand how that would be an argument in favor of doing them all together?
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  • lalaith50 said:


    KariB509 said:

    I wouldn't delay unless there's some reason, like for babylimas Will. I'd rather get them all at once so she doesn't have to keep getting shots and possible reactions.


    ? That doesn't really make sense? If a baby is going to have a reaction, it will have it whether all the vaccines are at the same time or delayed, so wouldn't you rather have them separated so you know WHICH vaccine caused the reaction? I'm just saying if you mention reactions, I don't understand how that would be an argument in favor of doing them all together?

    I think she means for the minor reactions. My daughter gets a mild fever and irritable after almost every shot. That's pretty typical. Doing them all at once means I can get the ickiness over in a couple of days versus multiple instances of a couple of days. A major allergic reaction would be a different story.

  • DS will get his shots on a traditional schedule. The sooner he is fully vaccinated the better especially since he will be going to day care.
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  • jwls84jwls84 member
    No delaying for us, she goes tomorrow and will get 2 shots and maybe the oral (long story regarding provincial coverage and her being born 2 weeks before the cut off).
    Anyway, like PP say, why delay and stretch it out.
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  • Because of the measles outbreak here they are going to do 6 months MMR vaccines to try and offer earlier protection (they'll still get the normal 12 month one too). I'm counting down the days!!
    Sorry to hijack!
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  • Jenstwins said:
    Because of the measles outbreak here they are going to do 6 months MMR vaccines to try and offer earlier protection (they'll still get the normal 12 month one too). I'm counting down the days!! Sorry to hijack!

    I'm going to ask my pedi about this. We fly to see family in November and having a LO in an international airport without his MMR scares me.
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  • klp830klp830 member
    LO got his yesterday. 2 shot in one leg and one shot in the other leg. He slept 7 straight hrs last night. Today he has been a bit extra 'clingy' but no fever
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    LO got hers today. She's been sleepy a little swelling at the site and running a low fever (warm for her she's usually pretty cool) but otherwise content. We'll see when she gets up for her feeding how she does. She Had the two combo shots and the oral. She screamed but fell asleep soon after.
  • dotgirl2 said:

    I agree with @kirotea. LO had his yesterday - 2 shots and the drinkable one. He cried after each shot for about 5-10 seconds, then he was totally fine.

    When people tell you to do them separately, what's their rationale?

    The rationale is you only give one vaccine per month that has a mercury, aluminum or other type of preservative in it. (Most vaccines don't use mercury at all anymore.) This schedule is NOT reviewed of approved by the CDC or FDA as some PP thought. This is solely a schedule created by Dr. Sears. We are following it. She didn't even cry with the dtap shot so that was good news for us. Basically the CDC recommends getting shots at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, etc etc. Dr. Sears schedule requires shots every month, but less shots each month.

    On the website AskDrSears.com, Dr. Sears offers his alternative vaccine schedule. "My main worry about [the CDC's] schedule is that there really hasn't been enough research on the various chemicals and ingredients in many vaccines to prove that they are 100 percent safe," he says. "It has also been my experience that giving five or six vaccines at a time can increase the likelihood of a severe reaction."

    He also allows for a delay of YEARS for certain shots like hepatitis. In addition he has the polio shot much delayed...but we probably won't delay it as much since it seems to be re surging in the USA.

    Also, he splits the MMR vax into the 3 separate shots for it that are available. Pic of schedule attached.
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  • I had thought about delaying for the reaction factor but my other kiddos never had a problem, and I'm more concerned about her exposure NOT being vaccinated (especially with all of the recent outbreaks of diseases that should be long gone if everyone vaccinated), I'm bringing her to work with me and I work with people who experience developmental disabilities and may not be able to vaccinate because of their health so it protects them as well.
  • I don't want to thread jack but this is related. Not sure if it's better to start a new discussion so if I should have, I apologize.

    Someone posted an article on here last week about Tylenol AFTER the vaccines causing the problems, maybe not the vaccines themselves. Something about it blocking receptors in the brain...

    LO had his shots Friday and we are not on any delay of schedule. I'm way more scared of the diseases than the vaccines. Anyway, it got me thinking and I spent a couple of hours researching it. Basically I found out three main things:

    1) Tylenol replaced aspirin as the standard medication for infants in the 80's. Autism rates started soaring a short time afterwards.

    2) Cuba has an almost perfect vaccination rate (99% for measles) but they do not give the infants any pain relief. They have a .00168 autism rate while the U.S. has a .5%.

    3) overwhelmingly boys are diagnosed with autism over girls. Most boys are circumcised and given Tylenol as pain relief in the first days of life.

    And sort of a PS- a lot of people start noticing a regression after the MMR vaccine but most babies have the strongest reaction to that one = more likely to be given high doses of Tylenol.

    Could all be a coincidence but I'm in the medical field and my mom is in pharmaceuticals so I hear about stuff like this all the time and it scared me enough to decide not to give LO Tylenol after his vaccines unless absolutely necessary.

    I asked the doctor about alternative ideas and he basically gave me a lecture that if LO is in pain, I should just give him Tylenol. Thanks for that!

    I am mobile and it's 2am so I can't link anything but it's all info I found pretty easily. Just a thought since we've all been told vaccines are so dangerous... I'm just wondering if it's the Tylenol afterwards!
  • Acetomenophen has been linked with behavioral issues if taken during pregnancy. (This could also be correlation not causation.) I'm not sure if there's a similar link for it being given babies, but IMHO it's worth being cautious about. https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/821006
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  • The article that was posted last week talked about giving Tylenol before shots to ease the pain of the shot and the side effects to come. Newer research is showing it can lessen the effectiveness of the vaccination.

    Someone posted a doctors blog talking about Tylenol causing autism but it was far from a research article.

    I was taking Tylenol all throughout my pregnancy and Tylenol with codeine after my c-section while I was breastfeeding...guess my LO is going to turn into a little hellion. 8-|

    I just wonder all these people that are so reluctant to give their LO's a little Tylenol...what do you do for yourself when you're in pain? I'm sure most of you take something so why expect your LO to suffer?

    Agreed. That's why I did my own research because it was an interesting argument but it wasn't exactly a scholarly journal. I'm not anti-meds by any means. But I think they are overused. After his shots I would have definitely given him something if he was in danger but at the end of the day, he was uncomfortable for a little while but nothing that I couldn't soothe with breast feeding and a couple of warm baths. It's just something to consider because it's offered and suggested so much.

    Again, I am a bit jaded with a mom in the pharma industry but recommendations change and then 20 years later, "Ooops. Sorry! We finally figured out what was causing xyz."
  • We delayed because I had a seizure from shots when I was a baby. Apparently, your children can have similar reactions. We just split them up over the course of 2 weeks.

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  • I don't know why but our medication schedule after surgery was ibuprofen only. No tylenol. I'm sure there is a simple explanation for why not. I was just told no tylenol yet.
  • babycaps said:

    @babylimas, Ibuprofen is a good anti-inflammatory, so it's good after surgery and may be why they used that in place of tylenol.  But there could be other reasons.


    Now I'm doubting my choice of giving my LO ONE dose of tylenol post shots.  UGH.  Even if there is no actual GOOD research on it. Being a mom really messes up the brain.
    I didn't mean to make anyone feel bad or like it's so terrible we should never use it but I just thought it was worth sharing. I have some in his room and will give it to him if he needs it. I just hear so often, "if he's uncomfortable, Tylenol is fine," so I wonder how many babies are being given Tylenol for every little thing.

    Being in the medical field I see patients given meds they don't need constantly and I admittedly don't trust every doctor just because I work with them so I know some can be terrible!
  • vacsx2vacsx2 member
    I JUST gave my LO some Tylenol after his shots! My pedi encouraged. His cries were def pain cries. It's only 2.5 ml so I'm crossing my fingers it means nothing and just makes him more comfortable. Feel stupid for not just soothing more now.
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