August 2013 Moms
KQuinonez
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STD (not what you think)
KQuinonez
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In an effort to keep our board from dying, I thought we could start a new weekly chat. Stimulating Tuesday Discussion! I figure we are running out of UO and FFFC so maybe this will help us get back to being at each others throats. J/K. Seriously though lets have some friendly discussions about babies, motherhood, or things that have nothing to do with either of those. I hope we all can have fun with this. Just remember you can and probably will get flamed if you say something stupid.
This week's topic stems from a recent Supreme Court Case, Do you think police should have the right to search your cell phone without a warrant? Hopefully our resident cop has something fun to say about this.
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Re: STD (not what you think)
I as a police officer want to always go through your( criminal) phone bc there's tons of evidence. I think we should be allowed too. Just because I'm biased and I want to find evidence quickly with out hassle of getting a search warrant and before criminal remotely deletes all evidence.
I also know there's an expectation of privacy to your cell. So as a police I want the ability to get into phone but as private citizen If I was in trouble would want a search warrant to go through my phone.
Baby C - 08.23.13
On one hand I don't mind, because I have nothing to hide.
On the other hand, I think it's an invasion of privacy, and I don't trust that whole "probable cause" thing. A cop could easily lie and say they have probable cause, when the reality is they are just fishing for something to catch on to.
So, my vote is for no, this shouldn't be allowed.
BFP 3/29/2014 2u2 Let's do this!
And if I would object to a police officer seeing something personal on my phone (like a risque photo or something), then it probably shouldn't be on a cell phone in the first place. They can be lost, stolen, seen by a kid playing with phone, etc.
I think i would want to be told what probable cause the police had to go through my phone, because in the time it takes to get a warrant i could deleate everything off my phone. So i dont know mixed feelings.
Btw i like the idea of this thread
While I have nothing to hide on my phone I would feel violated having someone search through it without my permission. I feel like the ability to go through people's phones without permission would probably end up being abused.
But it would be best if some conditions (probably cause) were put in to place to limit it from being abused.
BFP 3/29/2014 2u2 Let's do this!
BFP 3/29/2014 2u2 Let's do this!
Probable cause (PC) is what gives us the right to arrest someone. We do not need probable cause to contact people. With the exception of a traffic stop is a PC stop because they violated a traffic violation. We cannot stop a vehicle just because.
Reasonable suspicion is what gives us the ability to contact people. Reasonable suspicion: "a reasonable person believes a crime could be occurring". IE: I see a guy standing at a liquor store in a high drug area, I keep seeing him at the front of the store but never enter the store, I see he makes several "hand to hands" with several different subjects. I have reasonable suspicion he is dealing drugs. I have enough to contact and detain that subject.
We can also do a consensual contact. " hey how are you? do you mind talking to me?" that person can tell me to fuck off or stop and talk to me.
It's all in our training and experience. I'm going to see things the average citizen won't because I've been to lots of training and continue to get training as the law changes.
But not as a "just because" during a routine traffic stop.
And I second @Revez penis idea.
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Followup #1: If I told you to fuck off when you tried to talk to me, wouldn't have get me in trouble?
#2: This is why I don't trust proable cause. People can get arrested over a misunderstanding, or just because the officer wants to. There's a huge grey area with that. It just seems too each to abuse it.
BFP 3/29/2014 2u2 Let's do this!
I don't think it should just be free-range to go through any time. Even though I have nothing to hide, I think our privacy has to be protected too.
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#1
freedom of speech. Is it going to piss the cop off?? more than likely could they now find something to talk to you about and "arrest" you for?? yes...Case in point: I'm driving along. Guy on side of street flips me off ( not a crime) gets my attention he then flicks a cigarette into street (littering: crime). I contact him he has warrants he now gets to go to jail when I probably would not have noticed him if he did not flip me off.
#2
Probable cause is not an obscure thing they have to meet the elements of a crime. IE: in California PC 459, burglary: "entering into a dwelling or structure to commit a felony or take property." So I cannot arrest someone for burglary unless they meet the elements of the crime.
Also you would not believe how many laws people actually violate on a daily basis.
BFP 3/29/2014 2u2 Let's do this!