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RE Question

I used an RE with my first child. This go around, I just went to my OB- I have said before he is more old school with the charting & temps. I have been taking my temp every morning at the same time & I downloaded the fertility friend app (thanks to those who suggested it). Well my temps are all over the place & the app basically says I might not be doing it right- I think I know how to take my temp. Anyway, the point to all of this is, being on CD 12 currently, do you think my RE would see me now & finish out this cycle with me- vaginal ultrasounds, trigger shot, etc.?! Or should I just finish this cycle with the OB, and if not pregnant in the end, go to RE for new cycle?! What would you do?

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  • I'm a "let's get this done" kind of person so me- I'd move on to RE. Are you getting up to do temps? You probably already know temp before you move (except to grab thermometer lol). Anyway, whatever you decide to do, listen to your gut. I think of myself a year or more from now- will I be ok if I waited? Or kicking myself? Good luck!!!
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  •  I have the thermometer (digital) next to my bed- every day, even weekend, my alarm goes off at 5:30am & I take it immediately while laying down. Now, I do wake up to pee in the middle of the night, always, but that is usually before midnight- don't know if that affects it in any way?!

    Thanks, I think I am going to call and see if they will see me mid cycle...
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    edited April 2014
    I don't think peeing that early in the night would effect it. :)
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  • i don't know if RE would immediately jump in mid cycle... but it's worth a call, the worst thing they can say is see you next cycle. it sounds like you're doing the temping just right. some things can alter your temps (alcohol intake, working different shift i.e. graveyard, being sick, etc) but otherwise they should be around the same temp pre-O and then higher post-O.
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  • I don't know any RE that would see you half way through a cycle, even if you haven't Oed yet. I'd check in at the end of this current cycle, get a plan going for next cycle. Have you tried temping vaginally? That can make a huge difference- also are you using a basal thermometer? 



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  • Like Mrs. Castillo said, I was going to suggest tempting vaginally too. If you sleep with your mouth open, that can drastically affect your temps. Waking up in the middle the night to go pee shouldn't be a problem. If you're getting three consecutive hours of sleep before you take your temperature, that should be enough.

    If I were in your shoes, I would at least call the RE right now and ask them if you can make an appointment and make a plan. I just got my referral from my RE, and he's taking appointments a month out! So I'll be well into my next cycle by the time I see him. So that puts me at least three cycles out before I can do anything. So if I were you I would call and make an appointment as soon as possible. You don't know how long it'll be into you actually get to see you, so don't wait to your next cycle to call.
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    Planning medicated cycle end of summer.  FX I get KU before then!!!
  • The digital said basal thermometer on it. I called the RE this morning & made an appointment for 3 weeks from now (soonest they had). That will be around the time that this cycle is over anyway, so if I am not pregnant, I will start next cycle with RE.
  • Sounds like a good plan.  Sometimes you have to take the appointment they have and just pray you won't need it.  Last cycle I was literally testing the day of my appointment.  But oh well!

    Also, how early do you usually O?  CD12 may just be too early to see a pattern.  
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  • Sounds like a good plan.  Sometimes you have to take the appointment they have and just pray you won't need it.  Last cycle I was literally testing the day of my appointment.  But oh well!

    Also, how early do you usually O?  CD12 may just be too early to see a pattern.  
    My cycles are so long that I am not sure when I ovulate. This is my first month charting it, but according to the phone app, my temps are all over. When I was on the ovulation meds with my first pregnancy, I didn't ovulate until anywhere between cd 17-22. I started peeing on the sticks this week too, so even if I am doing something wrong with my temps, I will at least see it on the sticks when i ovulate.
  • What is your lowest number vs your highest number right now? Sometimes my temps before O looked like they were super erratic, but once you see the temp shift they weren't actually that bad, even if the left side was a little jagged. It's good you made the appointment, but I would definitely wait until the end of the cycle before worrying about the chart. You'll get the hang of it!
  • annibes said:
    What is your lowest number vs your highest number right now? Sometimes my temps before O looked like they were super erratic, but once you see the temp shift they weren't actually that bad, even if the left side was a little jagged. It's good you made the appointment, but I would definitely wait until the end of the cycle before worrying about the chart. You'll get the hang of it!
    highest 97.43 & lowest 96.44 - i thought they seemed close, but when I enter them into the app, and go to the data accuracy details, it says my temp fluctuates more than normal, which can mean not taking it right, or delayed ovulation

  • annibes said:

    What is your lowest number vs your highest number right now? Sometimes my temps before O looked like they were super erratic, but once you see the temp shift they weren't actually that bad, even if the left side was a little jagged. It's good you made the appointment, but I would definitely wait until the end of the cycle before worrying about the chart. You'll get the hang of it!

    highest 97.43 & lowest 96.44 - i thought they seemed close, but when I enter them into the app, and go to the data accuracy details, it says my temp fluctuates more than normal, which can mean not taking it right, or delayed ovulation


    Ahh. That is a pretty high fluctuation. Bummer!!
  • FWIW, mine always says that my temps fluctuate more than normal (I temp vaginally) and I have still gotten a distinct temp shift and crosshairs. Good luck!
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  • I'm reading a book right now about TCM and it says that if your temps fluctuate like that, it means you have Liver Qi Stagnation (Lv Qi X).  This means you likely have excess heat and you can address it with cooling foods, herbs and acupressure.  I'm still reading, so I'm not sure what herbs or acupressure points to recommend, but I'll get there!  Or, you can search for some more info on google.  My charts sometimes do the same thing.  
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    start ttc #1 in Jan 2009
    dx PCOS in May 2010, begin metformin
    Two failed clomid cycles (made lining too thin)
    Started acupuncture while saving for IVF in Sept 2011
    Add herbal infusions to the mix in Dec 2011
    Hoping holistic approach works!!!

    BFP on April 2012 at 11dpo
    Meepy Man born on Jan 2013 - Hip Hip Hurray!

    Ready to start ttc #2 April 2013, but plan to be an extended BF'er
    Back on metformin Aug 2013
    Restart herbal infusions Sept 2013 - currently drinking nettle, oatstraw, and red raspberry leaf
    DS weaned in April 2014
    Taking a break from herbs and just riding the healthy train.  
    Planning medicated cycle end of summer.  FX I get KU before then!!!
  • I'm reading a book right now about TCM and it says that if your temps fluctuate like that, it means you have Liver Qi Stagnation (Lv Qi X).  This means you likely have excess heat and you can address it with cooling foods, herbs and acupressure.  I'm still reading, so I'm not sure what herbs or acupressure points to recommend, but I'll get there!  Or, you can search for some more info on google.  My charts sometimes do the same thing.  
    Interesting! I will google it, thanks. Now just so I understand with taking temps- right before you ovulate, temps should be pretty steady, then after you ovulate, they jump up?
  • Typically, your temperature will fluctuate from night to night by a little bit. But a whole degree is a pretty big jump from one night to another. There could be some external factors though, such as some nights you leave your window open other night you don't, taking Tylenol, or drinking alcohol. Even Sleeping lighter than other nights could effect your temp. Have you by chance read taking charge of your fertility? That's like the Bible of charting.

    I just did a google search and found a chart that looks like one of my typical charts. Is this what yours looks like?
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    start ttc #1 in Jan 2009
    dx PCOS in May 2010, begin metformin
    Two failed clomid cycles (made lining too thin)
    Started acupuncture while saving for IVF in Sept 2011
    Add herbal infusions to the mix in Dec 2011
    Hoping holistic approach works!!!

    BFP on April 2012 at 11dpo
    Meepy Man born on Jan 2013 - Hip Hip Hurray!

    Ready to start ttc #2 April 2013, but plan to be an extended BF'er
    Back on metformin Aug 2013
    Restart herbal infusions Sept 2013 - currently drinking nettle, oatstraw, and red raspberry leaf
    DS weaned in April 2014
    Taking a break from herbs and just riding the healthy train.  
    Planning medicated cycle end of summer.  FX I get KU before then!!!
  • Here's what a pretty typical chart should look like. I just grabbed this off of google, but it looks pretty good.
    Happily Mrs. C 
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    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker 
    start ttc #1 in Jan 2009
    dx PCOS in May 2010, begin metformin
    Two failed clomid cycles (made lining too thin)
    Started acupuncture while saving for IVF in Sept 2011
    Add herbal infusions to the mix in Dec 2011
    Hoping holistic approach works!!!

    BFP on April 2012 at 11dpo
    Meepy Man born on Jan 2013 - Hip Hip Hurray!

    Ready to start ttc #2 April 2013, but plan to be an extended BF'er
    Back on metformin Aug 2013
    Restart herbal infusions Sept 2013 - currently drinking nettle, oatstraw, and red raspberry leaf
    DS weaned in April 2014
    Taking a break from herbs and just riding the healthy train.  
    Planning medicated cycle end of summer.  FX I get KU before then!!!
  • Here's what a pretty typical chart should look like. I just grabbed this off of google, but it looks pretty good.
    Yea, here's my crazy chart
    image



    Here's what a pretty typical chart should look like. I just grabbed this off of google, but it looks pretty good.

  • @iheartsippycups‌, I'm sorry I missed this post earlier today, just seeing it now. But, yeah, that chart of yours is all over the place. I would say that you're either doing something funky in regards to getting your temp, or you haven't o'ed yet. I know that's not helpful but even if your temps have a large range, you should still see a distinct temp shift post ovulation.

    Also keep in mind that it is possible to get a +opk and then not actually o. Your body may be trying to gear up for o, then not actually follow through. That's why charting is recommended to use with opk's. I so wish there was a cheap drugstore pee stick that could be taken to determine if you've already o'ed!

    I did see on your other post that you are assuming you did o and are starting progesterone. Good luck! Hopefully it all works out.
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    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker 
    start ttc #1 in Jan 2009
    dx PCOS in May 2010, begin metformin
    Two failed clomid cycles (made lining too thin)
    Started acupuncture while saving for IVF in Sept 2011
    Add herbal infusions to the mix in Dec 2011
    Hoping holistic approach works!!!

    BFP on April 2012 at 11dpo
    Meepy Man born on Jan 2013 - Hip Hip Hurray!

    Ready to start ttc #2 April 2013, but plan to be an extended BF'er
    Back on metformin Aug 2013
    Restart herbal infusions Sept 2013 - currently drinking nettle, oatstraw, and red raspberry leaf
    DS weaned in April 2014
    Taking a break from herbs and just riding the healthy train.  
    Planning medicated cycle end of summer.  FX I get KU before then!!!
  • @iheartsippycups‌, I'm sorry I missed this post earlier today, just seeing it now. But, yeah, that chart of yours is all over the place. I would say that you're either doing something funky in regards to getting your temp, or you haven't o'ed yet. I know that's not helpful but even if your temps have a large range, you should still see a distinct temp shift post ovulation. Also keep in mind that it is possible to get a +opk and then not actually o. Your body may be trying to gear up for o, then not actually follow through. That's why charting is recommended to use with opk's. I so wish there was a cheap drugstore pee stick that could be taken to determine if you've already o'ed! I did see on your other post that you are assuming you did o and are starting progesterone. Good luck! Hopefully it all works out.
    Thanks- all this charting stuff is confusing. If I am not pregnant this month, I see the RE for next cycle, so the charting can stop... I'm sure it is all user error on my end!
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