February 2014 Moms

I've been mom shamed for use of TV

I had friends over this weekend and we were going about the day and during LOs playtime I sat on the couch and turned on the TV to some random channel to keep him occupied. I do that occasionally if he gets bored with the play mat or his rattle or singing with me etc. At this point I figured it's just lots of lights for him.

My friend saw this and suddenly started to share how her friends don't even turn on the tv since their baby was born and it can be so detrimental to the baby's development. Also the channel I put in had some violence (Man of Steel was on) which can be bad for baby to watch etc. According to her they absorb everything even this early.

Ok I'll admit I'm no expert in early childhood development. Am I being horrible for letting LO entertain himself with the TV from time to time? My assumption he is so young he does not even know it's "the TV". He really just calms down and sometimes it's a blessing if he's cranky or if I need to stall before next feeding etc. Secondly, if I turn on the TV should I only put on child friendly stuff?

What's your stand on letting children watch TV? What's the expected age when they start to get addicted? What do you typically do/did with your bigs?

Re: I've been mom shamed for use of TV

  • I don't remember when we really started watching it with DS1.  I certainly have the TV on in the house during the day, but I haven't put LO in front of it yet. .  Usually, he's more interested in me than the TV.  If he gets bored, I usually sit in my picture window with him.  He watches the birds and outdoor things and interestingly, its things like that usually catch his eye on the TV.  Then again GoT is on a lot in my house as I'm trying to catch up so he's sees a lot of blood and boobs.  I don't think he cares.

    We've always kept TV kind of a low key thing in our house.  We don't use it as a reward or a bribe and DS1 can take it or leave it.  We put it on when he needs to chill out and he'll watch, but it's never a big deal when it gets turned off either.  I think if you don't make a huge deal out of it then it doesn't really become an "addiction" per se. 

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  • The American academy of pediatrics doesn't recommend any screen time till age two, and limited after that. The pictures change so rapidly that they can't process it and it's been shown to impact their attention span.

    We keep it off (or dd turned away) during her playtimes. I do watch while nursing her or snuggling or while she sleeps, and there are times it is on while she's awake.

    I watched the bates motel and the following while nursing. Not exactly child friendly.


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  • Our tv is on a lot, but I don't set LO in front of it at this point. He's easily entertained by other things. Once he becomes more aware and capable of some structured activities, tv will be limited while he's awake. It's not recommended for young children and not a habit we want to get in to.

    Would I have said anything if I was visiting? No. You're allowed to make your own decisions. I think that's just common courtesy.

    And I'm with @Bookshelves‌. I hate tv on during a meal or a social visit.
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  • Mom shaming = not cool!

    If you are interested in research, here are some links:

    https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/pages/media-and-children.aspx

    https://m.pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/128/5/1040.full

    The AAP recommendation is to avoid screen time for kids under the age of two and limit it to less than two hours (all screen time) for toddlers, etc. To my understanding the rec is less about TV becoming an addiction and more about how the rapidly changing images and sound affect cognitive development. Also, people do park kids in front of the TV as a babysitter instead of interacting. It doesn't sound like you are doing that!

    From a personal experience standpoint, we fall back on DH's observations as a teacher of elementary and middle school kids for 15 years- he believes that kids who watch lots of TV/video games/smart phone media have a more difficult time focusing on lessons because they have become so used to the rapid-fire over stimulation of media. The number of image changes is much much higher with programming today than it used to be. This is one reason things like teletubbies move so slowly.

    We don't do TV with DD1, and we don't have the TV on during the day -- but we just aren't TV watchers. We were less careful about that when she was immobile because we could face her away from the screen. We do let DD1 watch cute animal videos when we are cutting her nails or really have to get something done on the computer. Because it is not our habit to watch anything while she is awake, and because we now have DD2, this is unlikely to change anytime soon. Sorry DD1. No TV for you.

    You know what works for you! If TV helps calm your babe and you limit it to a level you are comfortable with, then I wouldn't worry. Re: non-kid programming - I would probably limit the screen time to programming geared to young children or things without the rapid-fire scene change/loud music/explosions for the screen change reason discussed above, but again- you know best what works for you. Mom shaming = bad! Sorry this is so long.
  • I agree with @keags5496‌ about the moderation. We try not to teach DS that there are "bad" foods or "bad" things (like tv). Instead we try to teach him not to drink anything but water if he's thirsty and to not eat three cookies at once and to take a tv break to read or play after an episode or two.

    We actually had to limit reading at one point. He'd happily flip through books for HOURS and then be cranky and tired but couldn't sleep because he hadn't been physically active. Too much of anything is bad.

    @LaurLaurLaur‌ I don't like the blinky lights on any toy (I personally find them distracting), but tv is said to be "worse" because of the moving images.


    All that said it was wrong of @Hg45‌'a friend to mom shame her. We're all learning, tv isn't unsafe. No mom shaming needed.

    Heck, reading books can be dangerous. Dd has a bright purple bruise from DS reading to her yesterday. He tripped getting up and dropped the book and she has a purple dot from the book's corner in the middle of her forehead. I'm sure tv hasn't given her baby a bruise!


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  • With DS1, he watched no tv until 18m when I was put on bedrest. Then I needed the tv's help. Now at almost two, he watches a show here and there (PBS) or a Disney movie (Planes). He doesn't just sit and watch, he plays while it's on and I get some things done around the house or nurse LO.

    And we're those crazies who never let him have juice either until we potty trained. Even now, it's the 100% stuff with 2/3 water.
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  • Another thought...tv time is super personal for each family I think. We watched dry little and almost never watched movies growing up. Not sure why...just wasn't part of our family culture. DH on the other hand watched a ton of movies. We both turned out okay.
  • DD1 didn't really start watching TV until after she was a year old.  This was only because she was sick and had to take nebulizer treatments and it was the only way we could get her to sit still long enough to have the mask on.  Now she's almost 6 and a little obsessed with TV.  She'd watch it all day if she could! 

    DD2 (who is 3 1/2) likes to watch PBS kids, but won't sit and watch for more than one episode. And sometimes she can't even make it through the whole episode before she wants to do something else. 

    As far as LO, pretty sure I've rotted her brain then as she watched the last episodes of 'Walking Dead' with me as well as participating in my Brooklyn Nine-Nine and Scandal binge-watching that occurred on my maternity leave! But really... @Hg45 that is shitty of your friend.  
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  • "They" say tv before 2 is a no no and I was all for this with DS1. My cousin's son 6m older was always super mart and bothered me (i know it shouldn't have, but...). I asked why she as doing and he had been watching YouTube everyday. I started letting DS1 watch the one videos and BAM my kid skyrocketed. Coincidence, maybe, but still. I let DS2 watch those same videos and I can already see he is developing faster than DS1.

    My view is I was totally against tv with DS1 till I saw what it did for my kid. Now we watch shows that are E/I.

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  • This actually came up when I met with the head of paediatrics at the hospital Olivia was born. He admitted that the medical community doesn't actually know if LOs watching tv or any other screen, causes any damage, developmentally or physically. There just hasn't been enough studies to be conclusive, but doctors recommend limited amounts to err on the side of caution. FWIW, Olivia always watches the hockey game (and loves it)

    I'll probably let E watch some baseball, and DH said he's concerned about the emotional consequences of letting her watch the Cubs lose all the time. ;) I'm not too worried yet. She fell asleep during the home opener.
    This is hilarious!! Sounds like something my husband would say. (He's a Sox fan, I'm a Cubs fan)
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  • Thank you everyone! I knew my friends comment was inappropriate especially on a day when we had visitors it was truly an exception. I just ignored it for the most part but it really got me thinking about how I was using the TV. Frankly I had no stance on it so thank you for your views and sharing research links that will help me make up my mind. Especially I did not know how adult programming would affect a child so thank you again for that.

    I am with the thought process that I don't want to keep him away to the point he feels deprived and moderation is good. I would like to use TV as an educational tool along with entertainment but perhaps more so once he at an age to learn. I keep forgetting I am the best and most appropriate stimulation for my infant but it's hard on some days because exhausted!
  • I don't use it to entertain DS (even my 20 month old isn't really entertained by the TV) but I don't have any issue with having it on. I think your friend should mind her own business.
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  • I'm sorry Hg- shitty friend comment.

    Maybe I will be flamed for this, but during MAJOR meltdowns, sometimes we put on the "infant sensory" videos on YouTube, for about 5 minutes, and then she's calm again and we will bring her to a window/put her on the playmat/switch to our contrast board books... Maybe it's unsafe to put her in front of a screen, but the speed of the videos is really no faster than her spinning mobile, and 5 minutes every now and then is not going to be detrimental.

    Maybe you could try that instead of adult programming?

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  • Your friend was rude, plain and simple.

    From what I've read, it's not so much that watching TV is harmful, it's that it takes away from beneficial activities, like playing. Prior to age 2 there isn't much evidence kids get much from TV. I've also read that having TV on all day, like background noise can inhibit language development since kids learn from hearing us speak it can make it harder for them to hear us above the TV.

    And despite the advertising for educational programming, kids learn much better from real life people so if you want to teach your kid letters or colors or whatever, you're better off teaching them directly.  But I definitely use TV to help get things done on occasion. Or drink a cup of coffee in the morning. LO2 never gets purposefully pointed at the TV though, just the older kiddo.

    TyrannosaurusLex - ITA about flashing/musical toys. I want to stab myself in the eye/ear/brain.


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