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*UPDATE in OP* WWYD: TdaP Troubles

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edited April 2014 in 3rd Trimester
*UPDATE for you curious ones* 
I sat DH down and as soon as I started talking about it, he immediately got upset and defensive. He said I was the unreasonable one for not wanting to let his family stay with us because "2 weeks is not a big deal". 2 WEEKS?! I thought it was 1 week. OH HELL NO. He also said that it was unreasonable to put his nieces and nephews "through the pain of getting a shot just to hold the baby". I told him fine, they just won't hold her then, and that I was willing to fork over the money for a second hotel room if they wouldn't. Anyway, he wasn't responding well to anything I was saying, so I left him alone and went to take a shower to relax. 

While I was gone, he called his dad and he said they would get the second hotel room so no one would be staying with us...damn right after he just dropped the 2 weeks in there like it was NBD...and he said that if any of the kids have as much as a sniffle they won't be making the trip, but still won't be getting the shot. I admit I feel better, but still a little defeated at the same time. 

I realized after reading some of the responses that this is indeed a bigger issue, and DH agrees. He had a "come to Jesus moment" as @RedheadBaker‌ said, and admitted he (we) needed to work on some things before the baby is born. Thank you for all the insight, advice, and opinions. It helped us tremendously.

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I'm sorry in advance for the long post! I wanted to include as much info as possible to make my situation make sense... I'm not the type of person to put a sign outside my door asking visitors to wash hands before touching baby, or placing a giant bottle of hand sanitizer out, making sure everyone uses it (not that I care if anyone else does it, it’s just not me), but with the TdaP vaccine, I'm conflicted. 

I received the vaccine at 32 weeks, and DH was already up to date (we're active duty military). My midwife and the technician at the immunization clinic have both advised me that anyone planning on being close to LO should also receive the shot because "pertussis is not something to mess with." I'm not a medical professional, so I trust them and want to take their advice. I'm a FTM and just want to do what's best for my LO's health. I've read many, many discussions on this topic on TB, and notice that a lot of people are planning to go as far as to not even let one time visitors (friends, distant relatives, etc.) see the baby unless they had the vaccine. No exceptions. I don't feel this way, however, I found it reasonable to check with my family and DH's family since they will definitely be around LO often and for extended periods of time. 

My family lives in the local area and is all up to date on the vaccine. DH's family lives 17 hours away, but is planning a trip for 1 week, a week after my due date. I almost didn't bother having DH check if they were up to date, however, they just told us that it will be DH's mom, dad,& 2 sisters, brother, 2 nieces, and 3 nephews (all kids between the ages of 2 and 7). Since there will be 10 people, and the hotel will "only accommodate 6", 4 will have to stay with us in our tiny 2 bedroom apartment (this is a whole other issue I'm not comfortable with). Due to the amount of people that will be in our small apartment so soon after the baby is born, I would feel more comfortable knowing that they have had the TdaP vaccine and especially aren't sick at the time. 

DH assured me that he was on my side and agreed to ask his family to check if they're up to date. DH's mother was outraged and acted completely offended that he asked. Apparently, they believe that vaccines aren't necessary. She even threatened that none of them were going to come, which upset DH almost to the point he was in tears (this is our first child, and DH only sees his family once every few years). He apparently had taken back everything he said and asked them to still come... 

I asked him if they were going to get the vaccine or if they already had it and he said, "Probably not, and I'm not going to ask them to again." There's already been several outbreaks of pertussis in their area, as well as ours, and I'm just not sure I'm comfortable risking my LO's health to have her around his family. When I say that to myself, I feel like a terrible person, and of course she should meet her grandparents at least, and maybe I'm overreacting? Then again, my baby, my rules, right? I'm so up in the air now about our situation and because of DH, telling them not to come isn't an option. I want to stand my ground, especially since I asked my family the same thing; luckily it wasn't an issue for them. 

WWYD? Anyone else have a similar experience? DH has already told me that his nieces and nephews are going to be "all over the baby and want to hold her, and you are going to let them" and this just makes me cringe, especially if they're the non-vaccinating type...
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  • the vaccination thing aside,,,i stopped reading but no one should be staying with you in your home. it would be too stressful unless its your mom & you want her there. the first few weeks are really offing hard & it would stress me OUT having family visit & stay at our house (if it were smaller).

    as far as the vaccine goes,, id just ask them to get it for your peace of mind. tell them you've all had it & that its now recommended. thats the truth, if they can't get it, they can call another hotel. i find it ridiculous that a hotel can't accommodate more people than 6. this is quite far in advance.
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  • sorry-- i was assuming this is "in advance" … when are you due?
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  • Sorry, just realized I never mentioned when I'm due. June 1, so they're planning on coming June 8 - June 15.

    I completely agree about the house guests... DH will just not budge and feels like I'm just picking on his family...he doesn't know how stressful its going to be, even though I keep warning him that I'm already stressing over it!

    About the hotels, I'm not sure what's up with it, but I'm thinking I'll do my own research and "help" them find one...due to living in a military town with an airport nearby, there are MANY hotels in the area.

    Everytime I try to bring up my concerns to DH, he never wants to talk about it, and gets very angry...I guess I need to find a way to make him have the conversation with me. He just strongly feels like I'm victimizing his family. Also, all 10 of them live in a house together currently, and its all of them feeling that the shots aren't necessary, not just MIL. 

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  • @RedheadBaker That's why I don't even want to risk it.

    I have a strong feeling at some point during their argument, his mom made me look like a crazy lady for wanting the vaccine, and now DH probably thinks I'm overreacting as well since his mom knows everything.

    I wonder if I could get my midwife to talk to him about it, to see if it would change his mind at all coming from someone else...

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  • 1.  You don't want people staying at your house.  Be firm.  You DO NOT want 4 house guests possibly days after having a baby!

    2. Have you considered that you may not actually have the baby on June 1?  I mean in theory you could still be pregnant for their visit…just throwing that out there :)

    3. I personally wouldn't be super concerned if visitors hadn't had a recent booster.  But they wouldn't be holding the baby and I wouldn't have a problem telling anyone with a sniffle to not come.

    Ultimately you and DH need to do what you feel comfortable with.  Your last comment makes it sound like this is a deeper issue with the relationship between DH, his mom, and you - best sort that out before throwing a baby in the mix!
  • @quinncat I don't believe its the cost of the vaccine (not that it means much but they do make pretty good money), I think its the fact that they just don't want to get it, and don't see that its necessary. They're the type to not go to the dr for anything, especially shots.

    Yes, they all want to share the same hotel room and don't want to spend money on a second. At this point, I'm tempted to shell out the money so they have no excuse, but I'm sure DH will protest.

    Ugh. The reassurance that having so many people around at once is ludacris, is helpful to me though. Its nice to know other's feel the same way I do and I'm not just being a jerk to his family...

    @ncbelle I'm almost hoping that baby isn't born before they come but my midwife says if she hasn't been born by June 8, they'll induce me that week--the week that his family will be here! Not sure if that'd be better, or worse (at least at the hospital they kids wouldn't be allowed to visit)

    I guess my next obstacle will be to make DH talk to me about this. I'm just hoping he'll be a little more open minded about it if I sit him down and make it appear to be a serious issue to me...since it is after all!

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  • totally surprised you're letting that many people stay with you in a small spot immediately after having your baby

    i must be super strict because i told DH i'd prefer fewer visitors in the beginning esp if baby is colicky or we need time adjusting (i even thought about telling him that i don't want any visitors in the hospital..............not even his parents). 

    also, little kids are GERM BUGS so i would totally NOT be ok with them being around a newborn so early on for that long....  

    all things aside this response so far is totally not answering your question about the vaccinating.....  

    i understand his family's refusal to vaccinate  - that being said i also respect your decision to say no being that they will be around your baby for what seems a considerable amount of time. if it was a 30 min visit i'd let it go...but a week....and possibly at your house 24/7........ that's a bit much. it sounds like you 2 need to hash it out with his family and also readdress the guests staying over......... unless they're actively helping you care for your newborn baby i don't see how entertaining them would be any fun for you as a FTM adjusting to your newborn....

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  • @Peanutz21 Its not so much, that I'm willingly letting them stay with us. I'm pretty upset about it, and DH knows, but when it comes down to it, I guess he just doesn't care that it bothers me.

    I'm a pretty non-confrontational person, but I'm starting to realize I need to put my foot down and just flat out tell him no. I guess its hard because he's my DH and I want him to be supportive rather than fight with me about it.

    All the responses are super helpful everyone, thank you.

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  • Anyone staying in our home has gotten it at our request. Anyone not willing to do so will not be staying with us period. This is the first of many tough parenting choices you need to make. Also if having them stay with you is going to be stressful than tell them no and you won't feel up to hosting guests until the baby is X months old. Your DH needs to think about his child before his mother no ifs ands or buts.
  • After reading what a few of you have said regarding DH needing to think of his baby vs his family...it sort of dawned on me, that he doesn't see it as protecting his child, he sees it as doing me a favor (not that that isn't a good enough reason in itself? ;) ) and maybe that's why he's being a jerk about it?

    Just another thing I'm going to have to remind him...its not for me, (although it would make it a lot easier) its for the baby.

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  • Omg wow. You should not have them staying with you. Way too soon after baby is born or you might still be pregnant and go when they are there.

    Anyone that comes to visit us will be washing their hands or no touching baby sorry. They don't like it they can leave.

    Hubby is getting vacc. I was going to talk to my Dr to see if my parents need to get it since they will be the seeing her the most.

    You and hubby need to talk. Maybe your next Dr visit you can bring it up to the Dr so your hubby is with you.

    As for his mom I think yelling at him saying they will not come. Well don't come. Your baby. She can't tell you what you believe or not believe in and if they don't feel vaccinations are necessary then they don't see the baby. The kids should not be all over a newborn either. Way too young for that right now.

    Good luck.
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  • Your husbands primary family is you and the baby. His extended family is obviously important too, but the house guests thing is seriously going to be a night mare.
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  • First, I must be admit, I didn't read it all.  However from the beginning, I'm assuming this is another one of those issues in which someone is requiring outside family members/friends to get a vaccine in order to be around the baby and a ton of people staying at your house afterwards.  I just wanted to state that most people don't understand that even if you are up to date on the pertussis vaccine, you are still a carrier of the infection (this is not true for all the vaccines).  All it does, and some argue this, is less your odds of getting it if you got the vaccine.  So I've never understood why people make this shot a requirement to family members.  One thing you can do to protect your child the most is breastfeed.  Although breastfeeding is NEVER the golden ticket to get out of sickness, it does provide properties that coat the throat of the baby to HELP in preventing the infection from sticking (however, this assumes that they have a virgin gut- meaning no other foods/liquids/vitamins, etc. other than breast milk have been ingested).  As for a large amount of people staying in your house- that's your comfort level.  I can only speak for myself and in what I would be comfortable with.  However, many people really enjoy having a ton of family around but I feel there's a lot of adjustment that goes on for mothers vs. fathers following a birth so it should be the mother's decision on who, if any, gets to stay following the birth.
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    First, I must be admit, I didn't read it all.  However from the beginning, I'm assuming this is another one of those issues in which someone is requiring outside family members/friends to get a vaccine in order to be around the baby and a ton of people staying at your house afterwards.  I just wanted to state that most people don't understand that even if you are up to date on the pertussis vaccine, you are still a carrier of the infection (this is not true for all the vaccines).  All it does, and some argue this, is less your odds of getting it if you got the vaccine.  So I've never understood why people make this shot a requirement to family members.  One thing you can do to protect your child the most is breastfeed.  Although breastfeeding is NEVER the golden ticket to get out of sickness, it does provide properties that coat the throat of the baby to HELP in preventing the infection from sticking (however, this assumes that they have a virgin gut- meaning no other foods/liquids/vitamins, etc. other than breast milk have been ingested).  As for a large amount of people staying in your house- that's your comfort level.  I can only speak for myself and in what I would be comfortable with.  However, many people really enjoy having a ton of family around but I feel there's a lot of adjustment that goes on for mothers vs. fathers following a birth so it should be the mother's decision on who, if any, gets to stay following the birth.
    Link to scientific evidence to back up this claim. Please and thank you.

    ETA: I'm betting on you not finding anything.
    Sorry I am at work, not home, so I wouldn't have the info (nor do I believe it is my responsibility to educate people.  I always think its best for individuals to educate themselves).  However, I did a VERY fast google search and this is the first article that came up for me: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/26/health/study-finds-vaccinated-baboons-can-still-carry-whooping-cough.html?_r=0  Although, clearly its only from NY Times, but they do reference to what I was saying. 
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  • Found a better article (more reputable) on Center for Disease Control (look under conclusion): https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/6/5/00-0512_article.htm
  • Are you serious with that NYT article? I realize you confessed to not reading the entire original post in this thread before vomiting up your "facts" but clearly you didn't bother to read the NYT article in its entirety either.
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  • Are you serious with that NYT article? I realize you confessed to not reading the entire original post in this thread before vomiting up your "facts" but clearly you didn't bother to read the NYT article in its entirety either.
    I second this. a lot!


    Anyway, back to the OP. I think she got her answer, but I just wanted to give my 2cents. Like others have said, having that many people (and small children) at your apt the week you give birth is absolutely ridiculous! I am soooo sorry that your DH does not see this because he needs to get his priorities in check ASAP for the sake of your child. Good luck talking to him and don't give up!

    AFM, we will have limited family/friends visiting in the first two months. My DH is taking some vacation time and also some paternity leave time. All-in-all, we both agreed that we'll need the space and alone time just to get adjusted. My boobs also need their space....actually, that's an idea! If you plan to breastfeed, and you can't convince them to come another time instead, just whip that boob out whenever and where-ever you want as if they weren't there! Don't let them bully you, but see how long it takes them to leave you alone then (assuming it makes them uncomfortable). I wish you luck, mama!


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  • elle_tee19elle_tee19 member
    edited April 2014
    Thank you all so much for the advice, it has truly helped me a lot. I plan on having a serious talk with him tonight.

    Thanks again!
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  • Do not back down.  Be completely honest with him and let him know how much this upsets you.   

     I have been on the this message board for a long time now, and one of the biggest regrets I see are from new moms that had too many visitors for too long and too soon.    Many of them have said the same thing, " I wish I had put my foot down when it came to visitors.  I was miserable and now I can never have that precious time back."

    Oh and I also had to put my foot down when it came to the shot.  My parents didn't like it either, but oh well.  I already had to bury one baby, I wasn't about to bury another because my family didn't feel like getting the shot.  
  • They have to have the vaccine or they don't come. We went through this with my family. I got into a giant fight with my mom, who didn't want the shot, but I held my ground. You should too. And your DH needs to support you. If you need evidence, check the CDC recommendations and show them to DH.
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    We've asked people that will be around the baby often to get the shot, and pretty much everyone is going to, but I'm not going to be a shot nazi that stops people from holding the baby, shot or no shot.

    BUT, your situation is much different. A bunch of unvaccinated people in your house for a week, including unvaccinated kids (that I assume are exposed to lots of other kids at school or daycare or such)? Oh hell no. I wouldn't allow them to stay even if they did have the shot, but not having what I assume are ANY vaccines, at least for the kids? No, no way.

    If he's still unreasonable, explain the situation to your OB and have her talk to him at your next appointment.


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  • Even if they did have the vaccine, that many people do not need to be "all over" a newborn. Immediate family and grandparents, fine, wash your hands first. Passing her around to the entire extended crew, including children? Absolutely not. If they all want to play with baby then they can plan their trip a couple of months later. Without the vaccine I definitely wouldn't even have the baby in the same room as them!
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    Do you know if the kids have been vaccinated at all? Not just the Tdap...do they get other shots/boosters as recommended?


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  • Cat&S said:

    Do you know if the kids have been vaccinated at all? Not just the Tdap...do they get other shots/boosters as recommended?

    As far as I know, from what my DH has said, they have no vaccines. According to his family, "These 5 kids turned out fine without shots".

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    Your husband needs to pull his head out of his ass. Not wanting his nieces and nephews to go through the pain of a shot to hold your baby is not being fair to your child who is the one at risk for catching the illness. YOUR BABY should be his priority, not the comfort of his family.
    When I told him this, he lashed back saying how dare I say that as if he didn't care about his baby......?!
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  • Disneygeek77Disneygeek77 member
    edited April 2014
    Actions speak louder than words.  ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

    Your husband says he cares about you and the baby, but his actions prove otherwise.  Right now he is acting like a scared little boy that doesn't want his mommy and daddy mad at him.

    I don't know what kind of wedding vows you both took, but if there was something along the lines of " To put above  all others and let no one come between" then hold him accountable to the promises he made on your wedding day.  All others includes his parents, his siblings and their children.  He is choosing them over you and that is not the way it should be and I am assuming that isn't' what he vowed to do when you got married.  Wanting those that will be close to the baby to be vaccinated against something deadly is not unreasonable.  Not wanting a house full of guests for two weeks  when you are trying to recover from giving birth and figuring how to take care of a newborn is not unreasonable.  A grown man who cares more about the whims, desires and comforts of his original family and not the one he is making is being unreasonable and cowardly.

  • So these children haven't been vaccinated at all? They would not be allowed around my baby at all. Your baby will be days old and have no way to protect its self.


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  • He's definitely in the "it'll never happen to us" mind set. Where, he doesn't think she'll get sick, let alone die from being around his nieces and nephews. I hashed it out and told him that "I'm not even willing to risk that, but by letting your nieces and nephews around her, you are." And he just snickered at me like I was a crazy person.

    I offered to let him read this discussion but he "doesn't care what others think." *sigh*

    I'm tempted to just not talk about it anymore, then when they get here, quarantine the baby in her nursery, not letting them hold her. And when they act surprised and upset, tell them "Oh, it wasn't worth getting a shot for?" I know this wouldn't solve anything...that's just the evil DIL coming out of me...or the mama bear :-L
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    Does he go to your OB appointments? Can you get him to one and then ask the OB what she thinks about having lots of totally unvaccinated kids around the 1-2 week old baby?


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  • Cat&S said:

    Does he go to your OB appointments? Can you get him to one and then ask the OB what she thinks about having lots of totally unvaccinated kids around the 1-2 week old baby?

    I'm not sure why the military does this, but my whole pregnancy I've actually never seen an OB. The whole time I thought I was and found out that I was actually just seeing the same midwife every time. (Not that it makes a difference, she's great.) But he does go to the appointments. He's gone to every one of them, the last one she had mentioned the vaccine and I remember her saying that anyone around the baby should get it as well. Whether he was paying attention or not, I have no idea.

    Our next appointment is the 36 week check up on May 7th. I plan on mentioning it and seeing what she says.
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  • Sweetie, this isn't about you being crazy ( which you certainly are not)  this has everything to do with him being spineless.  He doesn't want his parents to be mad at him.  That is why he is arguing with you.  Maybe you are a pushover or maybe you are the path of least resistance right now.  If so, then change the dynamics.   Make it clear that it is much worse for you to be mad at him than his parents and siblings.  Like a pp said, he is being disrespectful and dismissive about yourlegitimate worries and concerns.  That is the heart of the issue and this issue will keep coming up.    You need to get to bottom about why he is treating you like this.
  • If the kids aren't vaccinated they would NOT be coming near my baby. This is a non-negotiable situation for me. You are doing what's right for your baby. Your dh needs to remove his head from his ass. Good luck with everything!



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