Multiples

TWIN growth and HB

Hi everyone, I intro'd here a few weeks ago. I am pregnant with twins from an IVF cycle. They are di/di
I had some spotting on tues so I had an U/S weds. I was 8 weeks 4 days. Baby A was measuring 8 weeks 3 days with a HB of 174. Baby B (my little porker) was measuring 8 weeks 6 days with a HB of 154. They could not find where the blood was coming from and sent the results to my dr. When  I called the dr yesterday, the nurse looked over everything and said there are no notes that indicate anything is wrong. I asked her about the growth and HBs. She said the growth was fine but that baby A's heart rate was high and that the dr would monitor it. She said she wasn't familiar with twin heartbeats but they should range from 110-160. Little A was moving when she was snapping the photos so maybe that could be why? Has anyone else experienced this?

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Me 29 - no known issues ( Highest FSH 10.1??) 
DH- 36 - quite the perfect man!
TTC since 1/2011
IUI #1 March 2012 
BETA #1  BFP
B/O at 6 weeks D&C @ 10 weeks 
IUI #2-7 (2012)= BFN
IVF  Jan 14 - Follistim, Ganirelix
22R, 8M, 8F
ET  (1-14-14) - 1 Grade A 8 cell = BFN
FET (2-18-14)  1 grade A 12 cell and one early morula!
BETA #1 (3-3-14) =1,389  p4 17.4
BETA #2  (3-5-14) = 4,553 u/s showed one small g sac
U/S #2      (3-17-14) Shows two little beans with heartbeats!!! TWINS!! 
                                   Heartbeats were 119 & 120 beans measured (6 weeks 1 day) (6 weeks 2 days)
found out at 20 weeks that baby B went to heaven
11/12/14 Baby girl arrived :)
FET (1-24-16) Grade A early morula 
BETA #1 300 p4. 11.1 
BETA#2 1300
u/s d 1 tiny babe :)
10/7/16 another sweet baby girl
4/18 SURPRISE + HPT 
Beta #1 6 weeks 16,202 p4. 13.2




Re: TWIN growth and HB

  • Congrats! I too had a bleed from about 10-16 weeks most likely an SCH. I went to the dr several times and it was always older brown blood and it eventually went away. I can't remember what ours hb's were at that gestation but I seem to remember similar numbers. 
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  • It's really common for the babies to measure a few days apart in early u/s. A three day discrepancy is normal, IMO. I have also never heard of a HB being "too high". Notwithstanding, HBs in the 170s seems typical for being very early.

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  • thank you all so much for the reassurance! It was the sweetest thing to see their heartbeats and to see them move. It made it all so real! 

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    Me 29 - no known issues ( Highest FSH 10.1??) 
    DH- 36 - quite the perfect man!
    TTC since 1/2011
    IUI #1 March 2012 
    BETA #1  BFP
    B/O at 6 weeks D&C @ 10 weeks 
    IUI #2-7 (2012)= BFN
    IVF  Jan 14 - Follistim, Ganirelix
    22R, 8M, 8F
    ET  (1-14-14) - 1 Grade A 8 cell = BFN
    FET (2-18-14)  1 grade A 12 cell and one early morula!
    BETA #1 (3-3-14) =1,389  p4 17.4
    BETA #2  (3-5-14) = 4,553 u/s showed one small g sac
    U/S #2      (3-17-14) Shows two little beans with heartbeats!!! TWINS!! 
                                       Heartbeats were 119 & 120 beans measured (6 weeks 1 day) (6 weeks 2 days)
    found out at 20 weeks that baby B went to heaven
    11/12/14 Baby girl arrived :)
    FET (1-24-16) Grade A early morula 
    BETA #1 300 p4. 11.1 
    BETA#2 1300
    u/s d 1 tiny babe :)
    10/7/16 another sweet baby girl
    4/18 SURPRISE + HPT 
    Beta #1 6 weeks 16,202 p4. 13.2




  • At my last appt (10 weeks 6 days) both babies HBs were around 180 and I asked the doctor if they were too high. She said nope. They start to slow down around 12 weeks.
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  • I had spotting around 6 weeks as well and they never did find out where it was coming from!  I think those heart rates are completely normal.  The HB will be higher if they're moving, naturally. However, my twins heart rates were both always higher (180-190) until I hit about 12w/15w (I can't remember which appointment) then they stayed around the 150/160 mark for the rest of my pregnancy.
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    2nd FET 6/14/2013
    - BPF!!! -
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    1046!!!!! - 2nd Beta: 2754!!!!!
    First u/s 7/11/2013 - TWINS!!! 120 and 124 heartbeats <3
    Second u/s
    7/29/2013 - wiggley babies! 178 and 184 heartbeats!
    Third u/s
    9/9/2013 - 157 and 161 heartbeats ... a BOY and a GIRL!!!! Cervix on the "shorter side" (3-3.3) - going to check again in 2 weeks.
    Fourth u/s 9/23/2013 - Baby A = 157 Baby B = 150 heartbeat. Cervix now 2.3-2.6 ... being referred to a MFM
    MFM Appointment 9/26/2013 = Both babies healthy, cervix now measuring at 4 - Playing tricks on me ... will follow up in 2 weeks.
    Cervical check 10/7 with regular OB - 2.1cm  --- going BACK to the MFM armed with ultrasound pictures from my OB of my cervix. *sigh*
    MFM Appointment 10/8 - confirmed my cervix at 2.1cm - putting me on Progesterone for a week.
    MFM Appointment 10/17 - Cervix unchanged! Keeping me on Progesterone - followup 10/29


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  • I think that sounds like graet growth and HB...my girls ran high...over 180 once and my dr wasn't worried. I was of course.

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  • Yeah I don't know what the nurse was talking about. At 9w (with one twin measuring 8w6 and one measuring 8w5) both of our twins had HBs in the 180s and our RE was very happy. I think the nurse may have been looking at numbers for the wrong week. I think at 8.5 weeks, you would not want a heartbeat at 110.
    Also the fact that you saw them both move is a very good sign.
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    Our IUIs
    with @Manada: IUI# 1-7 (December 2012- September 2013) all BFN. Tried natural, femara, clomid, puregon/follistim, clomid and menopur combo, both the ovidrel and HCG triggers.

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  • At 10 weeks Baby A was about 172-174 range and Baby B was 168. I'd say that's definitely normal.

                              

  • I had bleeding from weeks 6-12 from a SCH.  They were not able to detect the SCH on the ultrasound until almost 9 weeks.  My di/di twins had heartrates of 178-180 at 10 weeks so that sounds well within range.  My OB never said anything was wrong with that.  My twins are almost 8 months now :)  
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  • Sorry about the bleeding! I hope it doesn't come back.
     
    I would side-eye her about the hb comment, really. That is totally normal for 8-9 weeks! Mine were both in the 170 range then. They have slowed to the 158ish area by 13w, but I would not worry if they were still in the 170 range. The faster they grow, the faster their hearts beat, and the smaller they are the faster their heart beats, that is just basic physiology for all mammals. A fast heart rate ensures that enough oxygen is being put into the bloodstream for proper development. Also, it doesn't take the blood very long to travel one loop around the circulatory system of something as small as a 8-9 week old baby b/c they are TINY this means the heart less time to relax in between pumps. Your nurse needs to keep her mouth shut or go back for some continuing education on embryonic cardiology... Later in pregnancy this could be an issue, but not now.
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  • Hang in there! I bled terrible terrible for my entire first trimester! You've got this!!!
    Me:35,  DH: 39   
    TTC since March 2011. All bloodword, SA & HSG are normal.  
    8/12: Clomid & TI - BFN 
    10/12: Colmid & TI - BFN 
    3/13:  Clomid, Trigger & IUI - BFN 
    4/13: Gonal F, Trigger & IUI: BFN  
    6/13: IVF #1 (1AA blast & 1BB blast) = BFN 
    8/13: FET #1= BFN
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  • You ladies are the absolute best! 

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    Me 29 - no known issues ( Highest FSH 10.1??) 
    DH- 36 - quite the perfect man!
    TTC since 1/2011
    IUI #1 March 2012 
    BETA #1  BFP
    B/O at 6 weeks D&C @ 10 weeks 
    IUI #2-7 (2012)= BFN
    IVF  Jan 14 - Follistim, Ganirelix
    22R, 8M, 8F
    ET  (1-14-14) - 1 Grade A 8 cell = BFN
    FET (2-18-14)  1 grade A 12 cell and one early morula!
    BETA #1 (3-3-14) =1,389  p4 17.4
    BETA #2  (3-5-14) = 4,553 u/s showed one small g sac
    U/S #2      (3-17-14) Shows two little beans with heartbeats!!! TWINS!! 
                                       Heartbeats were 119 & 120 beans measured (6 weeks 1 day) (6 weeks 2 days)
    found out at 20 weeks that baby B went to heaven
    11/12/14 Baby girl arrived :)
    FET (1-24-16) Grade A early morula 
    BETA #1 300 p4. 11.1 
    BETA#2 1300
    u/s d 1 tiny babe :)
    10/7/16 another sweet baby girl
    4/18 SURPRISE + HPT 
    Beta #1 6 weeks 16,202 p4. 13.2




  • 170s are definitely normal.  Both of my girls were in the 170s at my 8 week u/s.  No worries there!

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