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Am I crazy? Work through leave proposition...

I'll try to make this short and to the point.  My company was acquired at the end of last year, prior to that we were small.  Now we're part of a big Fortune 500 company.  I've been an individual contributor in my role and outside of me there's not really anyone that knows what I do.  The individuals in the larger company don't really have their act together and they don't know our customers or have the relationships built like I do.  With that I've had a lot of anxiety about passing off my work because it'll be a mess when I get back.  It's a tough position to be in because I actually really have no one to step in for me.  Also, there's no maternity benefits, you get 12 weeks of FMLA with STD for the first 6 weeks at 60% pay, I think.

My old boss (I report into someone now within the wider organization that I've heard from 1 time total) and my smaller company's CEO (he's still in the same role for now) had a discussion about me going on leave yesterday...my old boss knows I'm not comfortable passing off anything and now our CEO and my old boss are feeling the same way.  Overall, we're in a really rocky patch with the entire acquisition and transition to begin with, a lot of unhappy customers and overall to much change being thrown their way at once.

I was left with a proposition yesterday, if I get put on bed rest they've approved me working from home which is great and a huge relief.  But they've also asked what me willingness would be to continue working remote after the twins are born.  Basically take a week or two off completely directly afterwards and then work as little or as much as possible for the remaining 10 weeks of what would be my leave.  Ultimately, I would never take FMLA and I would get paid in full regardless of how much work I did each week.  They have the understanding that for the first 6-8 weeks it may be only an hour a day and I slowly increase my time as I adjust to the babies.

At first I thought, I don't want to give up leave.  But then I got on the financial tangent and this would save us a ton because we wouldn't be without my pay at all.  Even though we've saved and would be okay without me working.  My mom will be at our house a lot helping with DS and the twins, I could ultimately work during naps, in the evenings after SO is home or on the weekends.  I told my old boss I could end up only putting in an hour or two a day for awhile.  He seemed totally okay with that.  The primary goal is to not fully support everything I do today at work but focus on the items that are customer impacting that can't be put on hold for 3 months.

Am I crazy to be considering this?


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Re: Am I crazy? Work through leave proposition...

  • I think yes you are crazy. You don't financially need to do this and you'd be getting partial pay regardless. I can't imagine getting even an hour of work a day done that early on. Any "free time" I had while home with a toddler and 1 baby was spent on a shower, laundry, making dinner, resting, etc. I think you are going to cause yourself a lot of stress and really regret missing out on this precious time with your babies.
    I could see maybe taking the 6 weeks STD and then working limited hours for the remaining 6 weeks.
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  • I wouldn't recommend doing anything that soon.  I was a trainwreck at 2 weeks out, and I still worked.  And I really regret it.  I should  have just focused on my baby and healing.  

    I probably would have felt differently if I waited until 6 weeks, but I don't have twins.

    Will you have someone to help out while you're working?
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    edited April 2014
    i had 1 and was hardly able to function the first 6 weeks....so i doubt i could have even made an hour work. depending on your financial situation, i would probably prefer to just take maternity leave and enjoy my babies without having the stress of working hanging over my head/people contacting me to get things done, etc. they say its at ur own pace...but people will still be hitting you up for things that need to be done in a timely manner im sure. if money is very tight and you cant/dont want to swing it....then commit to nothing for 2-3 weeks, an hour for the next 3-4 weeks...and then whatever you can after that...
  • mae0111 said:
    I wouldn't recommend doing anything that soon.  I was a trainwreck at 2 weeks out, and I still worked.  And I really regret it.  I should  have just focused on my baby and healing.  

    I probably would have felt differently if I waited until 6 weeks, but I don't have twins.

    Will you have someone to help out while you're working?
    My mom will be over at the house a lot helping out during the days with DS, chores, laundry, cooking, pretty much whatever I need.  She's going to do that regardless of my decision on this issue.
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  • You say you could ultimately work through naps.  I think you have to focus on the "ultimately" part of that statement.  It might be 6-8 weeks before the babies are on anything like a schedule, and it's quite possible that they won't be on the SAME schedule.  Everything will take twice as long with twins, and between the grind of it (feed, diaper change, get babies to sleep, repeat every hour or so) and the sleep deprivation, you might be struggling to rub together two brain cells to come up with a coherent thought well beyond the first two weeks.  If you're set on working for at least part of your leave, I would prep your boss that it might be a month or more before you're ready to attempt this one hour/day business.

    Do you know anyone else with twins to talk about what the early days are like?  I had a fussy, reflux-y singleton and couldn't imagine working through my ML.  But maybe you could get real-life stories of twin moms?  I'm sure it's a completely different experience.

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  • @QueSrah  I've definitely talked to other mom's of twins and the first couple of weeks are really tough, hence why I would take them off and ease into the working thing, SO is also taking time off.  It's not that I want to work through leave but I know how I operate, I'm a control freak and I feel like I would have anxiety for 3 months wondering if things were being done the right way.
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  • I would say absolutely not the first 2-3 weeks. Then if you really can limit it to an hour or so, that wouldn't be a bad deal, if you are up to it. That's a big "if." I couldn't do anything for about 4 weeks because of a blood pressure issue. And if I would have attempted it, I'm quite certain I would have committed legal malpractice!
  • Yes you're crazy. With my first I took off 6 weeks then went back to work with DD for another 6 and got done what I could. I got through it but it was stressful and remains a regret. I took 16 weeks for my second leave. 4 before my edd and 12 after per CA law. It was awesome. It was much better for me as a mom an employee to take that time. Other things to consider : what happens if they are in the nicu or you have a c/s or you just aren't sleeping enough to function ? It also sounds like the ones offering this are all from the acquired company. Does the larger corporation approve ? Typically these type of flex arrangements are only seen in smaller companies which is why I ask. And finally, would your clients approve? I actually got a lot of judgment from clients for only taking 6 weeks the first time.
    These are all good questions.  Part of why I haven't really made up my mind, just have started the initial debate on if this could work or not.  I also haven't had a very in depth conversation with my old boss or anyone about the logistics yet, it's just a bug that was put into my ear.  A lot to consider.
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  • Yes, I do think that you are crazy, for all the reasons posters have mentioned. You will also invalidate your disability period. You won't be eligible to receive benefits if you are working.
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  • Also, what did you do with ML when you had your first DS? Were you happy with your decision? Do you think you could have worked then (with 1 child)? You say your mom will help out, and that's great, but I'm sure twins plus an older child (not sure how old your DS is) is a lot for one grandma to manage.
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  • jf198400 said:
    Also, what did you do with ML when you had your first DS? Were you happy with your decision? Do you think you could have worked then (with 1 child)? You say your mom will help out, and that's great, but I'm sure twins plus an older child (not sure how old your DS is) is a lot for one grandma to manage.
    With my son I took 3 months.  I could have worked but I enjoyed the time but the financial stress was a lot.  DS was a very easy baby and was sleeping through the night and on a routine rather quickly.  

    I split DS (he's 5 1/2) with his dad so I have him 50% of the time.  My mom's thought was she handles the house chores and DS and SO and I deal with the twins.

    I'm glad you gals are telling me I'm crazy because it's helping me think about this a lot more logically than I have been the past 24 hours
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  • Also, I would suggest starting to train up someone to cover for you while you're gone.  And keep an organized desk just in case you have to leave unexpectedly.  When I was pregnant I kept a very detailed daily list of what I was working on, what was pending and what still needed to be looked at. I keep these lists anyway, but this was more detailed so that if I had complications someone else could take over.
    This is part of the issue, there's no one to take over.  I've tried to get a case put through to get a temp brought in that I can train and they aren't having any of it.  I've ran so many suggestions and solutions by everyone and they get tossed aside. My "boss" knows this is coming and hasn't taken any time to try and work through a plan with me, she thinks it'll magically get covered or something.  It's all so frustrating.
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  • I'm also going to jump on the blunt train.  If you're so concerned about things being done the right way, dedicate that energy and time to your babies.  Your work will find a way to get things done - you will never get this time back to connect with your babies and I think you'll regret it.
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    It really depends on the nature of your work.  Is it a lot of email that you can handle on a laptop or phone?  If so, then I think that you will be able to do some work during your leave.  I have no clue about twins but I think with help of your mom and SO that working an hour or two a day would be doable (it would have been with my single babies and no help).  Maybe it won't be ideal, maybe you will miss out on some moments with the babies or some naps, but if you feel like you want/need to do this then you should do it.  I would just be clear with your management that you would be willing to try but have to have the ability to not work at all if it's too difficult.

    You just have to weigh if it's worth it.  Is the fully paid leave worth missing out on some perks of maternity leave?  Sometimes 12 weeks off just isn't feasible and people just have to make it work.  Just make sure the decision is yours and that you aren't feeling pressured by your company not making appropriate arrangements.
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  • I don't think you're crazy.
    But that doesn't mean I'd do it if I were you. :)
    I went back to work "part time from home" at 6w because I essentially run my own agency within an agency and felt the same way about taking care of clients, and not having anyone to really step in and "cover" for me.
    I was checking email pretty much right off and responding to urgent things (we don't have short term disability, so I wasn't breaking an "rules" when I did so) but I didn't really DO anything for the first 6 weeks beyond that.   After that I gave my self 4 hrs/day to work in our home office, those hours were at my discretion and it worked out fine for me. (Parents were here and I was able to have DS with me when he wasn't crying.
    It was FINE.
    BUT.... I can't say that I will (I'm 18w with our second) do it again, only because you really WON'T get that time back.  I really don't know what I'm going to do, but I can tell you that it is possible (at least with a singleton) to stay tethered.
    Perhaps if you are getting that extra money you could hire a short term nanny to be at home with you and your parents to make it easier?
    Good luck,.
  • For a singleton pregnancy/birth, I would say proceed with caution. It might not work out to work on leave.

    For twins? No. I think you need to take all the time you can.




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  • It's been a while since you've had a newborn. I think you're forgetting how hard the sleep deprivation is. Take the time off to recover mentally and physically, and enjoy the time with your babies. Plan for your leave as best you can. If your boss doesn't come up with someone to fill in while you are out, your boss is responsible for the consequences, not you.
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  • Ditto the PPs.  Also, don't forget with twins you are more likely to deliver early so you may end up with one or both babies in NICU for  a couple of weeks (hopefully not, but this happened to a friend of mine).  So by the time they get home you may already be a couple of weeks into your leave. 

    And the fact that your boss does not want to deal with this should not force you into working during your leave.  I posted a similar question a couple of months ago, because I get zero paid leave, and I am the only one at my office who knows what I do.  My boss kept putting off talking to me about who would cover while I was out and I was considering working during my leave on a limited basis, but the ladies here talked sense into me.

    So finally I told my boss I will NOT be working over my leave and guess what?  He figured it out.  Will things be perfect?  No of course not, but they will survive. 

    Take this time for yourself and your babies.  Don't let your boss make you feel like you have to work because he doesn't want to do any planning.

    And don't forget, not only are you caring for two newborns this time, you are also going to be helping your DS adjust to having two new babies in the house.  Don't spread yourself too thin,

     

  • I don't think it is unreasonable. But that is only if you really mean an hour on many days. I did basically this with the intent only to put out fires and delegate things that came up. I did not start anything new. I had a six week leave both times.
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    Having twins is a life changing event on its own and you will have a LOT to adjust to. I think by taking on this whole working one hour a day business, you will be putting unnecessary pressure on yourself and you won't be able rest when you need to. Also spending time with the babies will help you when you eventually do go back to work - you will be rested and hopefully ready to jump back into things.

    And ditto PP who said that your boss will figure it out. Your babies and your family should be your priorities during ML, not your clients or your job.

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    You only get this time w/ your new babies once. ONCE. Take it, enjoy it. Seriously. Probably part of the reason they are saying no to your ideas is because you're not firm. The fact that you're considering this tells me that THEY know "eh, if we push/offer enough - she'll do it". They'll figure it out if you don't work. Really- they will.
  • mommaoftripsmommaoftrips member
    edited April 2014
    I think you should take at least 6 weeks with the babies to get into a routine. I have triplets and the first month to 6 weeks is a blur and I had my mom helping for a few weeks too. With that being said, while I was on ML I did check e-mails and respond to urgent matters - type A as well. There was no 'deal' made with my work, I just did it all on my smartphone while feeding babies - you will do A LOT, I will repeat A LOT of sitting. If the work that you do is of this nature than you should be able to do a little.
  • Forgot to mention - I could do this type of work outside of regular 'business hours'. If you are able to just do a 5-10 mins here and there, it's surprising how fast and hour or even more can add-up. I would find myself easily with an hour during the night, as I was responsible for the night shift with the babies.
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    To follow on mal922- I'd almost say to go to your boss and basically list out "here's all the crap that could happen to me (and give him some of the nitty gritty).   I have NO idea if I'll be in ANY shape to work - at all.  I'm having TWO BABIES.  TWO.  A lot can happen.  And even if I have a perfect birth and my recovery is awesome, I will still have TWO little newborns in my house keeping me up at all hours.  I have absolutely no idea what I'll be capable of doing and quite honestly - you should not be relying on me being able to put in an hour or two here and there.  We NEED to have a better plan in place before I leave.".
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  • Forgot to mention - I could do this type of work outside of regular 'business hours'. If you are able to just do a 5-10 mins here and there, it's surprising how fast and hour or even more can add-up. I would find myself easily with an hour during the night, as I was responsible for the night shift with the babies.
    This is basically what it would be, keeping up with emails and kicking out some reports here and there.  
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  • VOR said:
    To follow on mal922- I'd almost say to go to your boss and basically list out "here's all the crap that could happen to me (and give him some of the nitty gritty).   I have NO idea if I'll be in ANY shape to work - at all.  I'm having TWO BABIES.  TWO.  A lot can happen.  And even if I have a perfect birth and my recovery is awesome, I will still have TWO little newborns in my house keeping me up at all hours.  I have absolutely no idea what I'll be capable of doing and quite honestly - you should not be relying on me being able to put in an hour or two here and there.  We NEED to have a better plan in place before I leave.".
    I've already expressed this to him because with twins who knows where I'll end up.  His mentality was we work around whatever you need, if you're not able to work then you take leave and if you can then great.
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    ::lurker:: I didn't see anyone else mention this but if you get STD, you cannot work during those 6 to 8 weeks.
     
    Before you commit to anything - check your STD policy.  Mine prohibited working while on STD and if it was determined I was working I would not be eligible for the STD.  If you do decide to do some work the last 6 weeks then track your hours worked so you can not count that time against FMLA.  I worked the last 6 weeks but only about 4-6 hrs a week.  By counting the time I was able to extend my FMLA leave time. 
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    @jen0204 - Just have to say your girls are sooooo stinkin' cute!!! 
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  • I would take the whole time off.  Honestly, you are going to have 3 children to care for - 2 of which are newborns.  You are going to be sleep deprived, stressed, hormonal, etc.  I don't even think you should be doing anything under those conditions.  I would take the 12 weeks and not think once about work.  You think you'll be worrying about it, but with the new babies, your mom, DS and DH around, you probably won't.

    You aren't due until July.  You have plenty of time to prep your old boss, colleagues, your customers, everyone on what needs to be covered while you're out, what could come up, etc.  No one ever wishes they worked more and spent less time with their family.  Take all the time and be with your new babies and family and take care of yourself.  That is more important than any job or customer.
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  • I think most of this was covered, but well my .02 and all. First, I saw it was mentioned, but if you start working and then in a week or two have a complication/decide that you cannot handle working and 3 kids and the craziness your body just went through, you probably will not be able to receive your STD pay. So then you will get 0 vs. 60%. Also, I would be very dubious about promises that you can work a handful of hours and get paid full time. You said you were now a Fortune 500 company, that may have flown in the small biz, but depending on your job, SOX is going to disagree with that idea.

    The fact that you have a kid already tells me that you were one of the rare ones with an easy baby. I had my DD at 35 (almost 36 weeks), she didn't require the NICU, but we had feeding issues that required me to feed her every two hours. For weeks. I BF'd so there was no way I was doing anything else but feeding and surviving. If you plan to BF, I would say definitely not, if you plan to FF, and you have A LOT of help, maybe.

    I had 2u2, but I was floored by how big of a change going from 1 to 2 was, much harder than 0 to 1. The joke is that 1 is none and 2 is 10, and it really can seem that way sometimes. Even with help, I cannot fathom working for the first 4 weeks. Maybe possibly after that, but it would be very limited.

    If it were me I would take my 6/8 weeks disability and then agree to work at home as you can for the next 6. GL.

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  • @dashofreality - I was thinking about the STD issue too and it is a very good point.

    OP, now that you work for a larger company, I would assume there is an outside company who administers your STD insurance.  At my company there is a requirement that you have to file by a certain date, which includes getting forms completed by your Dr., etc. if you are going to be approved for STD. 

    You are running a risk by not documenting your STD claim ahead of time that if you run into issues partway through your leave and are unable to work you may very well end up getting nothing.

    And I would make sure that your boss is able to follow through on his promises, if you do end up agreeing to his proposal. 

     

     

  • Don't do it!!!! 

    When I had my twins, I offered that during the last two weeks of leave, I'd phone in for conference calls just to get back up to speed. Suddenly, everything was my problem again and people were asking for me to work on contracts, draw up proposals, and do A LOT more than just call in on the phone a couple times. It was a mess, I was super stressed out trying to fit it all in to my day while caring for two newborns, and it totally wasn't worth it. 

    I think if your boss is the type to not understand the coverage and is asking you to work during leave, he's probably the type to overstep and ask you to do a lot more than an hour of work a day when the time comes. It's better to just disconnect entirely and then go back and start fresh. Otherwise you'll just end up exhausted, frustrated, and less ready to adjust to working full time again. 

    This would be my concern.  It sounds great now to your boss to have an hour or two here and there, but how much help is that really going to be?  I feel like in reality you will be asked/pressured to do more and it has the potential to spiral out of control.  In general, I like to underpromise and overdeliver.  Both of my mat leaves I did not "work" until my 12 weeks were up but I did routinely check email (with Communicator showing offline at all times!) and if there was a genuinely urgent situation where I needed to weigh in I did.  But I did it quietly and unpredictably so folks did not start sending me stuff to do, because my intent was not to be working during that time.
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    Don't do it!!!! 

    When I had my twins, I offered that during the last two weeks of leave, I'd phone in for conference calls just to get back up to speed. Suddenly, everything was my problem again and people were asking for me to work on contracts, draw up proposals, and do A LOT more than just call in on the phone a couple times. It was a mess, I was super stressed out trying to fit it all in to my day while caring for two newborns, and it totally wasn't worth it. 

    I think if your boss is the type to not understand the coverage and is asking you to work during leave, he's probably the type to overstep and ask you to do a lot more than an hour of work a day when the time comes. It's better to just disconnect entirely and then go back and start fresh. Otherwise you'll just end up exhausted, frustrated, and less ready to adjust to working full time again. 
    This.  100% this.  If you're the only one who "does your job", there is really going to be NO WAY that it will just be checking email and maybe doing a report here and there.  It's going ot end up being DOING YOUR JOB. 

    I know it feels nice to be SO necessary and indispensable - but it's really a bad spot to be in - for both you and the company.   As I think this is beginning to show. 

    If your boss refuses to listen to you and refuses to get help, then let your boss sink here.  If you come running to the rescue - you'll only teach him that he's right.  Let him flounder a bit. 
  • I own my own business and had to work a little while on leave with my second. It was pretty awful. My toddler was with his DCP all day, DH ended up being home a lot because of the government shutdown, and I had a super easy birth and recovery. But I still hit a point of sleep deprivation around week 3 where I just could NOT figure out how to print a sheet of labels, something I do every day for work. I cried in the living room after wasting about 5 sheets of labels. I was tired, hungry, sweaty, bloody, leaky and hormonal. Not a good state to be in while communicating with clients who are already not thrilled with your company.
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  • I would not do it.
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  • I did the exact same thing, against the advice of the other ladies on this board, and REGRET every single minute of it.  I was constantly worried that I wasn't "doing enough" and every moment my LO was sleeping, I felt I had to work.  I was miserable.  People who didn't know the arrangement, since it was none of their business, complained that I wasn't working full time and taking advantage of the system.  Those who did know, expected me to work their hours, not mine.

     

    I would not do it.  Never in a heartbeat would I recommend someone doing this. 

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