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WWYD

DH and I have been going in circles about whether we should try one more cycle with my eggs before moving onto DE. The biggest reason we are considering it is bc if we utilize the oop med program we could save a lot of money (if it actually worked). While we cycled we could also continue to do our homework/save up $ for DE cycles. Also if it worked we obviously would be happy. Biggest reasons we are against it, we could still potentially be wasting $ on meds we could be putting towards DE. I've never had a day 5 blast, my very best cycle we got a day 6 blast so I'm concerned even if we got pg it would end as it always had. That said my first two cycles we discovered too late that high progesterone was a key factor in no implantation, of course we don't know if the embryos were good enough for a viable pregnancy but they were better than last cycle. Obviously these are just some main points we ponder. DH and I are both comfortable with donor eggs, excited even, we just have to figure out the cost so we go back and forth on whether it's worth trying once more w my eggs first, so what would you do?

 


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Re: WWYD

  • I would try one last time with your own eggs and we will all call our friends looking for meds for you. And in the meantime save for de. I would also think about taking aspirin and asking about Lovenox after transfer.
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  • Sorry I should've clarified we are currently in a 6 try shared risk with my eggs, honestly I feel like the only reason I'd want to try again is to attempt to save us money, but again maybe any money we spend should go to DE

     


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    FET 10/4/13 Chemical

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  • I think sometimes we just need to listen to our hearts. Your heart is definitely saying to try just once more! The OOP program will help off set costs and that is a wonderful thing. While you are trying with your own eggs, you can be saving for DE, like you mentioned. From the sounds of it, I think if you didn't try with your OE, you will forever question if it would have worked if you tried just once more.

    So, if I were you, I'd try just once more!

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  • We were trying to make this same decision a few months ago. For us the choice was either 3 cycle refund package with donor eggs or a 3 cycle no refund package with own eggs. For us it came down to the fact that we couldn't move on until we felt we did everything we could possibly do to have a bio child. So we decided on the big own egg gamble. I'm so scared this won't work but at least I'll know that I tried everything and that piece of mind will help if we have to make more decisions down the road. Ultimately only you and DH can decide what's best for path for you

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  • It's funny to me that you guys sense that I need to try once more because honestly I feel like I'm leaning the other way, just because I don't see the outcome being different, the only reason I am considering trying again is merely cost.
    I guess perhaps I would always wonder but honestly I just want success in any form.
    I'm giving us until the weekend to decide. I feel very 50/50...which sucks

     


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    FET 10/4/13 Chemical

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  • I appreciate all of your insight!

     


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    IVF #1 (6/12/13) BFN

    IVF #2 (8/16/13) BFN

    FET 10/4/13 Chemical

    IVF #3 MC 5 weeks 5 days

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  • Have you done the good ol' pro/con list with DH? Sometimes just laying it all out in writing and seeing where there are more things listed helps make the decision for you?

    I think only because you have inquired a couple of times it makes me wonder if you are really there. It's such a big step and I know you want to make the right choice, but what I've learned after a decade at this is that there really are no 100% "right" decisions that can't be corrected eventually. If you try with your OE and it works, that's amazing! If it doesn't, you know what to do next.

    Hopefully the weekend brings you a little clarity and you can feel comfortable with whatever you decide to do!!

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    IVF/ICSI #2: April 2014: BFP!!!!!!

    ET of 2 great quality embryos. + BFP on 9dp5dt. Beta #1 (10dp5dt): 257, Beta #2 (14dp5dt): 1561,

    Beta #3 (21dp5d5): 8,172. Wow. It seems this is actually working. Shocked beyond belief.

    1st u/s @6w5d: Baby A hb 124, Baby B hb 127 (Both measuring perfectly!)

    Lost baby A. Praying that baby B stays healthy. Baby B hb 175 at 11 weeks

    It's a GIRL!!!

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  • I was kind of thinking that too, if we try on our own and it works great, if not we move to DO. Another thing that makes me hesitate is going through another chemical etc.
    honestly the biological factor hasn't really been an issue in our decision making process, I know we'll love our baby however it comes to us.
    See how I'm going in circles? Lol

     


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    IVF #1 (6/12/13) BFN

    IVF #2 (8/16/13) BFN

    FET 10/4/13 Chemical

    IVF #3 MC 5 weeks 5 days

    IVF #4 DE 11/7 BFP, edd 7/28/15

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  • Are you doing any kind of PGD? Have you considered that as opposed to DE? How does your shared risk program work? How much $ will you get back if you complete it? We did a shared risk that was 3 fresh 3 frozen (if we had any, which we didn't) and we got all our $$ back after our 3rd fresh. It sucked to get the $ back, but that's what we used to do our successful cycle at C.CRM. So I'm curious how your risk program works and how you're weighing that. Also, I wouldn't necessarily knock day 6 blasts. Some of our chromosomally normal embryos are day 6s and we were told they should perform well. But some of that may depend on the lab. I can't recall if our successful one was a day 6 or not, could be. Regardless, it all comes down to how you're both feeling about it. For us, we needed to do PGD to get the real story before moving on to 3rd party or adoption, but it happened to work out for us. Best of luck in your decision.
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    8w loss 4/15/11 - EDD November 2011
    8w3d loss 8/2/12 - EDD March 2013
    4w c/p loss 10/29/12 - EDD July 2013

    Long story: trying on our own + testing testing testing with 6 rounds of Clomid, more testing, injectables + TI, laparoscopy - one tube blocked, 2 IUIs with Follistim...BFNs.
    RPL testing all normal, Karyotyping normal

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    FET 5/31/13 of 1 4AA blast - thawed and expanded. 4dp5dt BFP.
    Beta 9dp5dt = 181, 11dp5dt = 427. 1st u/s showed a healthy heartbeat! EDD 2/16/14

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  • It's 6 fresh rounds, we'll get about 18k back which isn't enough to cover DE shared risk but it's a start! We considered Pdg but we never have enough embryos for it to make sense for the cost, we transfer everything we have anyway. What has hurt us the most financially is that our meds are almost 8,000 a cycle. If we try again I'd have to utilize the oop program for me to feel like it's even worth the try.

     


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    Me .72 AMH, Fragile X premutation carrier
    IVF #1 (6/12/13) BFN

    IVF #2 (8/16/13) BFN

    FET 10/4/13 Chemical

    IVF #3 MC 5 weeks 5 days

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  • I've used the OOP meds program and it's saved us thousands. Also I've had some anonymous donors from these boards (friendships and folks reaching out) and I've been extremely grateful for that. So whatever you do, utilize that program for sure.
    BzeetyD = 38, Mr. BzeetyD = 44 together 12/02 married 9/08
    TTC #1 since 1/10
    DX: Unexplained/??? MFI issues

    Our lil' lost sparks:
    5w3d loss 7/30/10 - EDD March 2011
    8w loss 4/15/11 - EDD November 2011
    8w3d loss 8/2/12 - EDD March 2013
    4w c/p loss 10/29/12 - EDD July 2013

    Long story: trying on our own + testing testing testing with 6 rounds of Clomid, more testing, injectables + TI, laparoscopy - one tube blocked, 2 IUIs with Follistim...BFNs.
    RPL testing all normal, Karyotyping normal

    Moving on to IVF.

    IVF #1 April 2012 = BFN, IVF #2 June 2012 = BFP. U/S 7/23 = saw heartbeat but measuring behind. Follow up U/S on 7/30 - no heartbeat. D&C 8/2. Trisomy 12. IVF #3 Oct 2012 = Chemical Pregnancy

    Phone consult with CCRM on 12/12/12 - ODWU 1/4/13 - both tubes clear(!) - AFC 24, AMH 3.2, FSH 9.6, LH 5.4, E2 25. DH has high frag rate but improved!
    IVF #4 March 2013 CCRM. EP protocol w/ Menopur, Gonal-F & Dexamethasone. ER 3/29 & IMSI, PICSI. 43R 13M 10F 6blasts bio'd. CCS testing reveals 3 normals!!!
    FET 5/31/13 of 1 4AA blast - thawed and expanded. 4dp5dt BFP.
    Beta 9dp5dt = 181, 11dp5dt = 427. 1st u/s showed a healthy heartbeat! EDD 2/16/14

    After 4 years of hoping and heartbreak, our sweet little bean was born on 2/19/14
    We are so in love with her.

    "I'm not telling you it's going to be easy, I'm telling you it's going to be worth it."

    Everybody is welcome!!!
  • We were pretty much OOP last year and paying 8k+ each cycle on meds like you.  It is awful and so not fair.  We were fortunate (until the end of the year when we both lose our jobs) to have switched insurance for this year.  I think if we were still OOP, we would be doing the same thing which was to get another opinion.  I honestly thought this new RE was going to suggest donor, but he never even mentioned it.  I definitely got the sense that you want to try with your own as well.  I think it's only because you're questioning it.  Also, I have a few vials of menopur that I just found out I probably won't use ;)
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    developed bilateral PE's from BCP, cancelled/delayed 6 mths, taking lovenox
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  • If we go again menopur would be awesome bc we use probably 100! That might be dramatic but it's a lot!

     


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    DH SA normal count and motility, 1% morphology
    Me .72 AMH, Fragile X premutation carrier
    IVF #1 (6/12/13) BFN

    IVF #2 (8/16/13) BFN

    FET 10/4/13 Chemical

    IVF #3 MC 5 weeks 5 days

    IVF #4 DE 11/7 BFP, edd 7/28/15

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  • IhopeIhope member
    edited March 2014
    I went through the same thing as you. I have been trying to batch eggs for pgd for several cycles but have not been as successful as I though I'd be. Just completed my last retrieval before sending out for pgd. I just don't think I can keep going through cycles and getting no blasts for pgd. I may only have 1 embryo (I find out tomorrow if I'll have more). The only reason I am choosing to do pgd with as little as 1 embryo is because I want to avoid going through a loss again. Anyhow, if the pgd gives us nothing, I will go with donor egg. When you are ready to try a different approach you will know.
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