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Venting/Need advice maybe

This is definitely TL;DR, but I need some advice, and it's so complicated that it's hard to condense.  Long story not quite as long, things are sort of going to shit and I don't really know how to deal with it. 

My dad was recently diagnosed with cancer. He is getting chemo and the outlook is decent.  My mother and I are doing ok, but my sister is not handling it well.

Before the cancer diagnosis, she had a breakdown, and ended up in the hospital because her behavior scared my dad so much.  She's been struggling with issues for a long time, and this finally encouraged her to get some help.  She has been seeing a counselor and a psychiatrist and has been taking meds that seem to be helping her.  But.

Since my dad's diagnosis, she has been spiraling out of control again, and is drinking a lot.  Last night her friends called my parents late at night to come get her (she lives with them).  This is not something new, but it is increasing in frequency and severity.   Plus my dad isn't well and needs to be able to rest and not have to be so worried about her right now.  Last night they took her pills away from her because they were worried she'd take the wrong things.

She told my mom this morning that she was fine and that they don't need to worry about her, that she's just sad.  Which is fine, but we all are.  She really has no concept of how her behavior affects everyone else and is very self-centered.  My parents lose sleep and they are emotionally exhausted from their own shit already.  My mom watches my son while I work, so she shows up upset and tired and short tempered.  I'm already missing enough time at work for my dad's treatments that I can't just take a day off because I'm tired or because my mom is tired right now (I'm going to be looking into getting someone to come it at least a couple days a week to give my mom a break).  And on top of worrying about my dad and all the other every day shit everyone has, we're all worried about her.

I am so angry with her right now that I can't see straight.  My parents don't know what to do with her.  Confronting her will go badly, at best. 

So what to do?  Anything?  Do they/we just have to suffer through it?  They won't kick her out or anything like that.  Is it appropriate for someone to reach out to her therapist to mention what is going on? 


Re: Venting/Need advice maybe

  • I've dealt with a close family member having addiction. Really, they have to choose to find help on their own. Don't enable but pushing treatment may not help either. I would also think about alternative child care if it's adding to your parents' stress.

    I'm so sorry for your father's diagnosis, and I hope his treatments help.


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  • HIPAA would prevent a therapist from talking to you about her. But, HIPAA does not prevent therapists from listening to concerns, to the best of my knowledge.

    What about taking a more direct course. Sit her down and tell her exactly how her behavior os affecting her family members. Tell her that her family wants to support her, but she needs to take some responsibility for her actions and recognize the effect it has on others.

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  • Thanks everyone.

    I agree that she is old enough and that tough love is in order but my parents just won't do it.  They've enabled her for so long....  I keep telling them that she needs to go and they were so close to it, but then she had a "nervous breakdown" and is getting help so they don't want to disrupt that. 

    The problem with confronting her is that if I do that, she will make my parents' lives miserable.  I don't have to live with her so I don't have to deal with it, but they will.  She does not react to things in any sort of reasonable way and it will just make things worse on them, thus adding to their anxiety.  I have about zero faith that confronting her will help, that's why I was wondering if it was appropriate for my parents to call her therapist just to mention some of the things that have been happening. 






  • JennicillinJennicillin member
    edited March 2014
    Oh I thought we were talking about a teen here. This is where tough love needs to come in. Either get your shit together or gtfo. She has to want to help herself. For fuck sakes she's 30. She needs to grow the fuck up and learn how to cope with life.
    This.

    Honestly, if it's like this now, she's gonna have to hit some sort of rock bottom ugly place before she's willing to help herself.

    Definitely look into alternative child care, that's the easiest way YOU can help in this situation.

    I would cut her out, but that's just me.  It's a natural consequence to her actions, and it sounds like she needs to see more of that.  You can't control your parents willingness to pick her up from friends and things like that, you can only control your willingness to have her in your own life.

    I'm sorry you're dealing with all of this, it just sounds like an all around tough situation.  Hope your dad's treatments help him!


    ETA: I just saw, did I read that right, she's still LIVING with your parents?  Nothing will change if that is the case.  Unfortunately, they're enabling her at this point and allowing the situation to fester.  That's on them, in spite of the stress they're under, they're doing it to themselves
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  • I guess I'm a minority and don't think an intervention will do justice. You can't force someone to change their habits, especially when the substance is doing all the taking for them. We tried to intervene my family member, but it only made things worse. Oppositional defiance is the name of the addict game, I swear.
    This is where I'm at.  If you say anything to her that can even be remotely perceived as critical, she will spiral into a rage. 


  • While I feel for your parents, I do, they are putting a lot of this stress onto themselves. Your dad is the major priority here now. Not her.

    I really do agree with this.  I'm really angry at them because the fact is that my dad ignored her issues for so long and my mom hates confrontation of any sort and now it's a big mess that is stressing them out.  I'm really angry at my father because it's like all of a sudden he's realizing that she's not ok, when she hasn't been ok for 20 years.  Like, how can he be surprised by it?  But he is. 

    Ugh.  I'm just too close to the situation.  I feel like I need to know what is going on over there, but maybe I should just tell them to stop talking to me about it if they aren't going to actually do anything about it.




  • The best thing you could do for your sister is offer empathy, which may be one of the hardest things in the world when you are also dealing with the fact that her problems are affecting your parents who are dealing with their own problems.
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  • I work with individuals in relation to court commitments for mental health and substance abuse. It is best if they will get help on their, but that is usually not the case. I have seen those who do get committed not agree with it at first, but have a very good outcome after some time with proper treatment. Sometimes they need the help of others who are not so close to situation. You really have to look at if she is a danger to herself or others. If so, it's not always best to wait until something bad happens. I would check into the court commitment process in your state. Good luck, sending positive thoughts and hugs your way.
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  • MrsCodeMonkeyMrsCodeMonkey member
    edited March 2014
    I don't have advice, but just wanted to say I'm sorry you're going through all that. Many hugs! I hope your sister gets some help and that the chemo works.
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  • Lurker here...I'm in a similar situation with my brother, minus the stress of a family member with a cancer diagnosis. He is an addict and finally had to hit rock bottom before truly getting help. Unfortunately, that was a suicide attempt in his case. He's finally admitting to and trying to deal with his depression and other mental health issues, but it is hard. Really, really hard.

    If it were me personally, I would not cut your sister out. Just try to offer support in regards to your dad and be there for her without letting her take advantage of you. Keep her at arm's length while being there for her if that makes sense. I try to stay a neutral party between him and my parents. Ultimately, she has to decide to get better for herself. I would try to take some stress off your parents if possible, including finding alternative child care. Good luck, it sucks dealing with this kind of situation:(
  • Are/were you and she close at any point...? If you called her and met for coffee/dinner, could you talk as sisters about how she's feeling (more like "I'm hear to listen" and less as "grow the F up")?

    While she does need to realize she's not the center of the universe, maybe if you approach her from a stand point of concern and not confrontation she might see how her behavior is effecting others.
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  • Ijessicabcairns@missyishere and @NotSharknado‌ are offering solid advice. I especially like the idea of suggesting that your parents see a therapist, if they're willing. You might also consider calling your sister's therapist on your own and describing your perspective- it can't hurt.

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  • We have lived a very similar scenario in our family twice over (two different substance abusers, two different substances).  I agree that the most helpful steps you can take  will center around supporting your parents.  Find alternative child care, offer to go to Al-Anon with them, and whatever else you can do to make daily life a little easier for them.  You're not going to get anywhere by confronting your sister.  That sucks, I know, but it's the dynamic of addiction.  The cold hard truth is that maybe she will ultimately decide to get help and maybe she won't, but you can't focus all your energy around that happening.  You have to kind of do what you can do with the assumption that she's going to continue drinking.  Of course you will all support her if/when she decides to stop, but in the meantime your dad's situation certainly takes priority, and even if you take cancer out of the equation the wellbeing of everyone else in the family is still really important, too.
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