Secondary IF

Talk to me about OPKs like I'm 5

I got a +OPK on CD 10 (early for my norm) but other signs (CM, cramps, etc.) lined up with it.

FF even agreed with me. Then FF disagreed with me (you recall that thread, I'm sure). Someone pointed out to me via PM that the body takes a natural dip in progesterone around 4-5dpo. I googled it - apparently it's called a "secondary estrogen surge". I thought cool beans- that explains the temp dip. The next day FF gave me back my solid CHs. But this morning they took them away again...but I'm 99.99% sure I'm sleeping with my mouth open!

Now - CD 17 another positive OPK ( I took on a whim this morning just to pee on something)

But- I don't feel like I'm O'ing. So what the hell?

I know you can gear up to O and then not but I feel like I'm arguing with a pee stick here " I'm 99.99% sure I already ovulated!!!"

I think next month I'm switching to vaginal temping and maybe breaking out the CBEFM.

It doesn't matter- I'm tracking this cycle for my records - kwim? It's just bugging me.

Fuck it. I'm confused just typing this shit.

Potato.
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Me: 27 DH: 33
Married 6 years
Conceived DS after 4 years of MFI

TTC # 2 (not trying,not preventing ever)
May 2013 - August 2013 Timed Intercourse = BFN
September 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs=BFN
October 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs, and "warming foods" = BFP
Beta #1 19, Beta #2 18 Progesterone 4.6 Miscarried 11/9/13
November 2013 - Benched, waiting for first post-loss AF.
No longer benched per New RE/OB!
Jan. 15 2014 - BFP. HCG 3900 - Ectopic :( 
Jan. 16 2014 Left tube removed and D&C
March 2, 2014 First AF


Re: Talk to me about OPKs like I'm 5

  • designer303designer303 member
    edited March 2014
    I love this thread because these are the kind of convos that go in my head all the time, I have no advice except that I would almost always say go with your gut. Did you have negative opk's between the positives?

    TTC#1 May 2009- July 2010 on our own with no luck

    Started with RE in August 2010, dx with unexplained IF and then finally our 3rd IUI cycle using Follistim and Trigger resulted in our wonderful little man.  Born 12/2/11

    TTC#2 Never really prevented, but were careful early on as Dr. reccomended

    Surprise BFP 12/16/13, started progesterone immediately as first numbers came back low, but betas were good.  Progesterone wasnt enough. Natural MC 12/24/13.

    Back with RE as of January 2014...

    5/27/14- Chemical Pregnancy :(

    April 2015 IVF#1

    5/13/15- BFP, please stick LO!

    Oh and I'm a major Harry Potter Nerd :)

    Silly mugglesimage

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  • @designer303 yes, I did. And the CD10 + was a CB digital. The CD 17 + was a FRER (which I bought because it came with a HPT- lol).

    So different brands.
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    Me: 27 DH: 33
    Married 6 years
    Conceived DS after 4 years of MFI

    TTC # 2 (not trying,not preventing ever)
    May 2013 - August 2013 Timed Intercourse = BFN
    September 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs=BFN
    October 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs, and "warming foods" = BFP
    Beta #1 19, Beta #2 18 Progesterone 4.6 Miscarried 11/9/13
    November 2013 - Benched, waiting for first post-loss AF.
    No longer benched per New RE/OB!
    Jan. 15 2014 - BFP. HCG 3900 - Ectopic :( 
    Jan. 16 2014 Left tube removed and D&C
    March 2, 2014 First AF


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  • (which I bought because it came with a HPT- lol).

    I loove it, okay so I did some reading and I guess those FR opk's are super sensitive.  So I'm sticking with my original assesment of ignore this morning's result and tell FF you know better. 

    TTC#1 May 2009- July 2010 on our own with no luck

    Started with RE in August 2010, dx with unexplained IF and then finally our 3rd IUI cycle using Follistim and Trigger resulted in our wonderful little man.  Born 12/2/11

    TTC#2 Never really prevented, but were careful early on as Dr. reccomended

    Surprise BFP 12/16/13, started progesterone immediately as first numbers came back low, but betas were good.  Progesterone wasnt enough. Natural MC 12/24/13.

    Back with RE as of January 2014...

    5/27/14- Chemical Pregnancy :(

    April 2015 IVF#1

    5/13/15- BFP, please stick LO!

    Oh and I'm a major Harry Potter Nerd :)

    Silly mugglesimage

    image 
      

  • (which I bought because it came with a HPT- lol).

    I loove it, okay so I did some reading and I guess those FR opk's are super sensitive.  So I'm sticking with my original assesment of ignore this morning's result and tell FF you know better. 

    TTC#1 May 2009- July 2010 on our own with no luck

    Started with RE in August 2010, dx with unexplained IF and then finally our 3rd IUI cycle using Follistim and Trigger resulted in our wonderful little man.  Born 12/2/11

    TTC#2 Never really prevented, but were careful early on as Dr. reccomended

    Surprise BFP 12/16/13, started progesterone immediately as first numbers came back low, but betas were good.  Progesterone wasnt enough. Natural MC 12/24/13.

    Back with RE as of January 2014...

    5/27/14- Chemical Pregnancy :(

    April 2015 IVF#1

    5/13/15- BFP, please stick LO!

    Oh and I'm a major Harry Potter Nerd :)

    Silly mugglesimage

    image 
      

  • @desinger303 you're awesome >:D< I did not know that!! I'm going to have to google now :) thanks!
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    Me: 27 DH: 33
    Married 6 years
    Conceived DS after 4 years of MFI

    TTC # 2 (not trying,not preventing ever)
    May 2013 - August 2013 Timed Intercourse = BFN
    September 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs=BFN
    October 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs, and "warming foods" = BFP
    Beta #1 19, Beta #2 18 Progesterone 4.6 Miscarried 11/9/13
    November 2013 - Benched, waiting for first post-loss AF.
    No longer benched per New RE/OB!
    Jan. 15 2014 - BFP. HCG 3900 - Ectopic :( 
    Jan. 16 2014 Left tube removed and D&C
    March 2, 2014 First AF


  • Take a hpt!  If you get a bfp, that would explain the +opk :D  That's what I would do, but who really knows.  I don't even use opk's because they are too confusing for me.  
    Happily Mrs. C 
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    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker 
    start ttc #1 in Jan 2009
    dx PCOS in May 2010, begin metformin
    Two failed clomid cycles (made lining too thin)
    Started acupuncture while saving for IVF in Sept 2011
    Add herbal infusions to the mix in Dec 2011
    Hoping holistic approach works!!!

    BFP on April 2012 at 11dpo
    Meepy Man born on Jan 2013 - Hip Hip Hurray!

    Ready to start ttc #2 April 2013, but plan to be an extended BF'er
    Back on metformin Aug 2013
    Restart herbal infusions Sept 2013 - currently drinking nettle, oatstraw, and red raspberry leaf
    DS weaned in April 2014
    Taking a break from herbs and just riding the healthy train.  
    Planning medicated cycle end of summer.  FX I get KU before then!!!
  • I'm not really sure without seeing your chart.  It sounds like you geared up to O, but didn't and you are gearing up again.  Are you using FMU?  Are your temps back below your coverline?
    TTC #3 since 8/2012 image
    DX Endometriosis 2/2002 (lost left tube due to a cyst), PCOS
    6/2010
     BFP - 10/18/2012, EDD - 6/26/2013, Baby Girl lost at 22 weeks (T21), D&E 2/15/2013
    BFP - 4/23/2014, EDD - 1/2/2015 Twin Boys lost at 12 weeks, M/C 6/25/2014

    My chart here  All ALers welcome!
    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker
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    June 3Missing Our January Snowflake
  • @GraceyandTroy‌ I thought the OPK + while pregnant thing was Internet urban legend :-/
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    Me: 27 DH: 33
    Married 6 years
    Conceived DS after 4 years of MFI

    TTC # 2 (not trying,not preventing ever)
    May 2013 - August 2013 Timed Intercourse = BFN
    September 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs=BFN
    October 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs, and "warming foods" = BFP
    Beta #1 19, Beta #2 18 Progesterone 4.6 Miscarried 11/9/13
    November 2013 - Benched, waiting for first post-loss AF.
    No longer benched per New RE/OB!
    Jan. 15 2014 - BFP. HCG 3900 - Ectopic :( 
    Jan. 16 2014 Left tube removed and D&C
    March 2, 2014 First AF


  • @rmpar29‌ yes FMU- always. I don't have a cover line anymore :( but, my temp spiked, plummeted, and is now slowly climbing back up again. I'm mobile so I can't link. I've been charting since August so I thought I had this down but apparently not :-<
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    Me: 27 DH: 33
    Married 6 years
    Conceived DS after 4 years of MFI

    TTC # 2 (not trying,not preventing ever)
    May 2013 - August 2013 Timed Intercourse = BFN
    September 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs=BFN
    October 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs, and "warming foods" = BFP
    Beta #1 19, Beta #2 18 Progesterone 4.6 Miscarried 11/9/13
    November 2013 - Benched, waiting for first post-loss AF.
    No longer benched per New RE/OB!
    Jan. 15 2014 - BFP. HCG 3900 - Ectopic :( 
    Jan. 16 2014 Left tube removed and D&C
    March 2, 2014 First AF


  • I have heard that FMU can sometimes cause false positives and that putting it in the urine stream instead of collecting then dipping can cause false positives.  I'm not sure if this is just with Wondfo's or other brands.  Maybe try another OPK when you get home?  Maybe a non-digi so you can see the line? 

    Wonky cycle always cause us to do this - #-o  Maybe post in the CT on TTCAL and get some of the experts to look at your chart?
    TTC #3 since 8/2012 image
    DX Endometriosis 2/2002 (lost left tube due to a cyst), PCOS
    6/2010
     BFP - 10/18/2012, EDD - 6/26/2013, Baby Girl lost at 22 weeks (T21), D&E 2/15/2013
    BFP - 4/23/2014, EDD - 1/2/2015 Twin Boys lost at 12 weeks, M/C 6/25/2014

    My chart here  All ALers welcome!
    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker
    Lilypie Angel and Memorial tickersLilypie Angel and Memorial tickers
    June 3Missing Our January Snowflake
  • @rmpar29‌ I need to buy more little disposable bathroom cups! Damn! I just peed on it this time but usually I'm a dipper.
    image

    Me: 27 DH: 33
    Married 6 years
    Conceived DS after 4 years of MFI

    TTC # 2 (not trying,not preventing ever)
    May 2013 - August 2013 Timed Intercourse = BFN
    September 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs=BFN
    October 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs, and "warming foods" = BFP
    Beta #1 19, Beta #2 18 Progesterone 4.6 Miscarried 11/9/13
    November 2013 - Benched, waiting for first post-loss AF.
    No longer benched per New RE/OB!
    Jan. 15 2014 - BFP. HCG 3900 - Ectopic :( 
    Jan. 16 2014 Left tube removed and D&C
    March 2, 2014 First AF


  • KC1212 said:
    @GraceyandTroy‌ I thought the OPK + while pregnant thing was Internet urban legend :-/
    I had heard of it before I had my son so I tested back when I was pg and it turned a +opk.  I don't think it's legend.  But, that being said, I don't know why you got two positives a week apart.  These wonky cycles are killer.  Just wait it out and keep charting, it's all you can do.  
    Happily Mrs. C 
    image  image

    image Image and video hosting by TinyPicimage image
    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker 
    start ttc #1 in Jan 2009
    dx PCOS in May 2010, begin metformin
    Two failed clomid cycles (made lining too thin)
    Started acupuncture while saving for IVF in Sept 2011
    Add herbal infusions to the mix in Dec 2011
    Hoping holistic approach works!!!

    BFP on April 2012 at 11dpo
    Meepy Man born on Jan 2013 - Hip Hip Hurray!

    Ready to start ttc #2 April 2013, but plan to be an extended BF'er
    Back on metformin Aug 2013
    Restart herbal infusions Sept 2013 - currently drinking nettle, oatstraw, and red raspberry leaf
    DS weaned in April 2014
    Taking a break from herbs and just riding the healthy train.  
    Planning medicated cycle end of summer.  FX I get KU before then!!!
  • Okay- I took another OPK and it is negative. I think this morning's +OPK is a fluke.

    Next cycle I'm 100% starting vaginal temping.

    Thanks for weighing in everyone! I'm going with my gut on this one. I think I O'd CD 11ish.
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    Me: 27 DH: 33
    Married 6 years
    Conceived DS after 4 years of MFI

    TTC # 2 (not trying,not preventing ever)
    May 2013 - August 2013 Timed Intercourse = BFN
    September 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs=BFN
    October 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs, and "warming foods" = BFP
    Beta #1 19, Beta #2 18 Progesterone 4.6 Miscarried 11/9/13
    November 2013 - Benched, waiting for first post-loss AF.
    No longer benched per New RE/OB!
    Jan. 15 2014 - BFP. HCG 3900 - Ectopic :( 
    Jan. 16 2014 Left tube removed and D&C
    March 2, 2014 First AF


  • Just to add my two cents:
    I completely agree with getting false positives in the morning. Apparently, (just like hcg) lh is normally higher in the morning... But if it's a surge, it should stick around longer. If you take out today's + does ff give you ch back?

    Opk=hpt is not urban legend!! Kinda cool actually. I saw it explained like this once and it made sense. Lh and hcg are very similar, but hcg wears a "hat". The hpts will only register positive when there is a hat, but opks don't care- because the two hormones are so similar.

    Hope this craziness ends for you soon!
  • Man if it wasn't totally creepy I would go back in time and enter this craziness in the school science fair instead of the the - "which nail polish dries fastest" crap.
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    Me: 27 DH: 33
    Married 6 years
    Conceived DS after 4 years of MFI

    TTC # 2 (not trying,not preventing ever)
    May 2013 - August 2013 Timed Intercourse = BFN
    September 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs=BFN
    October 2013 Timed Intercourse, Weekly Acupuncture, Herbs, and "warming foods" = BFP
    Beta #1 19, Beta #2 18 Progesterone 4.6 Miscarried 11/9/13
    November 2013 - Benched, waiting for first post-loss AF.
    No longer benched per New RE/OB!
    Jan. 15 2014 - BFP. HCG 3900 - Ectopic :( 
    Jan. 16 2014 Left tube removed and D&C
    March 2, 2014 First AF


  • I am kinda stumped by your scenario?!  I would guess either anovulatory or mouth breathing.  Sometimes when my opk/cycles are inconsistent I never really know what happened until AF show and then I work backwards...
    Hope your chart starts clearing up!!
  • I believe OPK's are not suggested for fmu. Somewhere in the packaging it says to test afternoon, although if I am testing twice a day then I test mid-morning and late afternoon.

    I had also read somewhere that you can use an OPK as a HPT...something about the hormones being similar. Just a reminder that the CBEFM takes a cycle to "learn" you...maybe it won't if you used it in the past.

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    DD conceived after 3 years of ttc.
    MFI - DH had varicocele repair and took Clomid to get DD b. 02/2010

    TTC #2 since 6/2010
    10/2012 DH diagnosed with Epilepsy
    A few failed IUIs summer 2012 and 2013. 
    DH taking clomid and waiting to see if he needs another vericocele repair. 
    Hoping for a 2015 baby or babies. 
    Wishing, hoping, waiting.


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