In residency my husbands patient satisfaction score was 51%, yes sounds very low. Upon further investigation all of the patients that scored him low were patients that he refused to give drugs to. They were all narcotic seekers who he said absolutely no drugs to and patients who he was bullied by and refused to bend to their demands.
Luckily he worked at such a place that actually looked beyond the actual 51% score and his job was safe. He works for a practice now that does the surveys (they are looking to get away from the press ganey company soon) but doesn't base his bonus on the score but does it based on participation.
Patient Satisfaction is Overrated by William Sonnenberg, MD
I recently was at the Scientific Assembly of the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) in San Diego, giving a lecture to a large audience of Academy members on respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) bronchiolitis. I mentioned why I thought identifying the RSV virus was important. I stated that if you tell the family the infant has RSV and that there is the expectation that cough will last 1-2 months, this may forestall them going to the ER or urgent care center. In those assembly lines of healthcare, they will be told that their child has "bronchitis" and will receive the inevitable azithromycin script. This will make the parents happy, free the healthcare provider of the need for further explanations, and result in a satisfying visit for the administrators of that facility. The trouble, of course, is that an antibiotic has again been used to treat a self-limited viral infection.
A physician came up to me afterwards and agreed with me but said that he had no choice. He works in one of those venues and is subject to surveys to measure "quality." For him, quality is measured in 2 ways: The first is by getting the patient door-to-door in 45 minutes, and the second is by a Press Ganey survey to see if the patient was happy. Because of these measures, he is forced to abandon his role as a responsible steward of antibiotic use to keep his job and get a bonus.
Another physician in the audience told the crowd that he was able to increase his satisfaction score by 7% simply by prescribing an antibiotic to all patients who call with a complaint of cough, sore throat, or sinus headache. One doctor reported to the media that he had to give Dilaudid® for minor pain because his Press Ganey score was low the previous month.
I believe that this little-known company, Press Ganey, from South Bend, Indiana, has become a bigger threat to the practice of good medicine than trial lawyers. They are the leading provider of patient satisfaction surveys for hospitals and physicians. For the past decade, the government and healthcare administrators have embraced the "patient is always right" model and will punish providers that fail to rate well in these surveys. Press Ganey's CEO, Patrick Ryan, said, "Nobody wants to be evaluated; it's a tough thing to see a bad score, but when I meet with physician groups I tell them the train has left the station. Measurement is going to occur."[1] Obamacare has budgeted $850 million in reduced Medicare reimbursement for hospitals with lower scores.
The mandate is simple: Never deny a request for an antibiotic, an opioid pain medication, a scan, or an admission. One emergency room with poor survey scores started offering hydrocodone "goody bags" to discharged patients in order to improve their ratings. And doctors face the reality that uncomfortable discussions on behavioral topics -- say, smoking or obesity -- come with the risk of a pay cut. If you tell a patient that their knee pain is related to weight, that their smoking is worsening their child's asthma, or that they can't lose weight because of French fries and not a glandular problem, your ratings and pay will take a hit.
Satisfied patients are not healthy patients. In a paper published in 2012, researchers at the University of California, Davis, using data from nearly 52,000 adults, found that the most satisfied patients spent the most on healthcare and prescription drugs.[2] They were 12% more likely to be admitted to the hospital and accounted for 9% more in total healthcare costs. Strikingly, they were also the ones more likely to die.
Overtreatment is a silent killer. We can overtreat and overprescribe. The patients will be happy, give us good ratings, yet be worse off. We must have the ability to deny treatment for a patient's own good. Patients aren't the best judge of what is best for them. Several years ago, an elderly female patient wanted me to write a prescription for tamsulosin because she got a coupon in the mail. It did not matter that she lacked a prostate.
We should try to be kind to our patients and take time to understand them, but we must resist these misguided pressures and do the right thing. Sometimes patients have to be told "no," and the leadership in healthcare must understand this. Take heart in the words of Mark Twain: "Always do what is right. It will gratify half of mankind and astound the other."
@krptcmschfmkr128, reading the article is key, please see my post above with a C&P of it.
Yes, patient satisfaction matters but the major point of the article is that patient care is being compromised in the name of satisfaction. Patients should be active members of their healthcare team but their satisfaction scores shouldn't dictate exactly what care is given in terms of declining a request for an antibiotic or narcotic pain killer.
There are also issues, IMO, with how dissatisfied care should be addressed. Something that compromises patient safety or recovery should be given higher value than something they just didn't like. For example, here are some of the things that I've recently had patients complain about:
- not being given as many diapers as they wanted. The patient in question had already filled an entire full sized suitcase with unopened packages of Pampers and was upset that we couldn't give her more- in a variety of sizes.
- that their scheduled, routine c-section got bumped back because of an emergency c-section; same thing happens routinely if an elective induction is delayed due to patients being in labor or other urgent/emergent procedures
- that we don't provide free meals for your family for the duration of your hospital stay (note: you can have hospital food delivered to your room for your guests, but it is a separate charge on your bill and the vast majority of the time insurance does not cover it)
- that we require an adult (other than the patient) to be present with any children under 12 (other than children who are the patient). It was clearly explained that this was because, in the event of an emergency, the patient would not be able to take care of her child. Her answer was "thats what the nurses are for".
- being required to wear a wristband at all times
- that we won't discharge you to home with your prescribed medications for free edited because I remembered one more from last month: - that the free car seat she was being given looked "too boyish" in her opinion for her baby girl
None of those are things that I think are reasonable complaints, but they are all things hospitals get dinged for, and yes, will affect reimbursement if a patient complains about them enough on a survey. So yeah, on some levels (including the ones in the article), I do agree that satisfaction is overrated.
@amoot890- that is, IMO, a very normal thing to be upset about because doctors and nurses have a responsibility to educate patients on their illness. I would have commented on that on my satisfaction survey.
The problem with the surveys is that there is no way to differentiate if the asshole is the doctor/other staff, or the patient. I agree wholeheartedly with @Curlylocks3 , it sounds like we care for ALOT of the same type of people, expect everything handed to them and still will find something to complain about. But that being said, there are caregivers who do a poor job, like the example @amoot890 cited.
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@curlylocks3 These types of situations are exactly what came to mind when I read this. Sure, some complaints are warranted, but many are not. Many patients feel entitled in what is becoming a "customer service" based system care and hospitals care more and more about numbers than actual patient care. Every task I do as a nurse seems to be logged and if I don't "work effectively" I get in trouble. For example: we are supposed I transfer patients within one hour of a new bed assignment. One shift I was staring to move a patient and he pulled of his colostomy bag. Poop everywhere. Literally a poop explosion. Obviously I cleaned the patient, applied a new ostomy appliance and changed the linens before I transferred him. I also got reprimanded for transferring him outside the one hour time window. I politely told my charge nurse that I didn't care, I wasn't going to send a patient out soiled. Despite having good reason, my "error" was still reflected in our unit numbers.
A system that takes the true human experience into account (open ended questions, interviews on all sides, etc...) would paint a much clearer picture of the care provided and received. However, such a system would not be cost effective so we get stuck in a bad cycle.
I agree with pp about how as nurses everything is becoming about our numbers and we are moving too much into a customer service industry where at times it feels like customer service trumps patient care.
I believe that as health care professionals we should try to make our patients as satisfied as possible but within reason. Some complaints are reasonable but the majority are ridiculous. For example, post op patients who are capable of walking themselves to the bathroom and whom would benefit from (and are ordered for) early ambulation demanding a bed pan and throwing a fit because the mean nurses make him/her walk. Also, patients often come into the hospital with unrealistic expectations. How many patients come in expecting to have no pain after surgery and getting annoyed that vitals need to be taken every four hours even over night. I have seen complaints on the press Ganey surveys where patients say that they unsatisified because they were woken up for vital signs their first post operative night. Seriously? We aren't doing this just for fun, it's for your safety.
@curlylocks3 thanks for copying and pasting the article! It just hit home for me as a nurse, sometimes I feel like a server in a really expensive restaurant. It might take me 10 minutes longer to get your IV pain medication but I'm checking it and having another nurse double check it- and oh yeah let me make sure it's compatible with the antibiotic you having running now....
I read this somewhere and I agree: "let's give those in direct patient care the support and resources they need to give the best care they can and want to give. I'll bet you patient satisfaction goes up. I'll bet you staff satisfaction goes up. OR, we can keep using key words at key times, apologizing all day long for what we can't do, even as bladders fill, stomachs remain empty and pedometer counts steadily rise."
Regarding pedometer counts, etcetera, I recently had some downtime at work and decided to use it to set up some patient rooms so they'd be ready to go (I knew we'd be admitting at least 4 postops the next day). I got a cart and put everything I needed for those 4 rooms on it besides the IV pumps/poles and oxygen monitors and then wheeled to each room to set up. Sounds efficient, right? Well I was stopped and told I should not be using the cart, that since one of the things we sometimes get dinged on is cleanliness it looked sloppy to have a cart out. Apparently "they" think it would look less sloppy for me to carry everything in my arms instead of neatly organized on a cart. And that they'd rather me be less efficient because I'd have to make numerous trips to our supply room for everything I needed and by the time that got done possibly nt have all the rooms set up as planned.
Are you more likely to fill something out to say u are happy? Or to complain about something?
I have worked as a nurse and waitress. These are customer service industries. I make a point to point out good service in both. But I have been in both.
I think most people that want to complain find a way to.
Reminds me of student evals at the university, often times upon which promotion and tenure are based. Such potential to be effective and yet, so often used for retaliation.
I'm not in the medical profession, but I am a college professor, and I agree with this comment. Our job isn't necessarily to make the students (or patients) like us, but to give them the best instruction, guidance, and help (or medical care) that we can. It is very tempting to give the solutions to *everything* (as students want) even though they will learn much more if they need to *ask* when they have questions. That way, they go through the effort of trying and struggling, and are much more likely to understand and remember how to get the correct solution. Luckily, at my institution, the rank and tenure committee is pretty good at "reading through the lines." For example, if a student says that they didn't like the class b/c it was too hard, this isn't necessarily seen as a negative. (Whereas saying that the instructor was rude or condescending would be seen as a negative.) I would hope that the medical profession has ways to read between the lines of patient satisfaction surveys. It's very important to treat students (and patients) with respect and concern, but not so important to make the class "easy" (or give every patient what he/she wants).
Re: Patient satisfaction is overrated. Wonder what other healthcare professionals think...
Luckily he worked at such a place that actually looked beyond the actual 51% score and his job was safe. He works for a practice now that does the surveys (they are looking to get away from the press ganey company soon) but doesn't base his bonus on the score but does it based on participation.
Patient Satisfaction is Overrated
by William Sonnenberg, MD
I recently was at the Scientific Assembly of the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) in San Diego, giving a lecture to a large audience of Academy members on respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) bronchiolitis. I mentioned why I thought identifying the RSV virus was important. I stated that if you tell the family the infant has RSV and that there is the expectation that cough will last 1-2 months, this may forestall them going to the ER or urgent care center. In those assembly lines of healthcare, they will be told that their child has "bronchitis" and will receive the inevitable azithromycin script. This will make the parents happy, free the healthcare provider of the need for further explanations, and result in a satisfying visit for the administrators of that facility. The trouble, of course, is that an antibiotic has again been used to treat a self-limited viral infection.
A physician came up to me afterwards and agreed with me but said that he had no choice. He works in one of those venues and is subject to surveys to measure "quality." For him, quality is measured in 2 ways: The first is by getting the patient door-to-door in 45 minutes, and the second is by a Press Ganey survey to see if the patient was happy. Because of these measures, he is forced to abandon his role as a responsible steward of antibiotic use to keep his job and get a bonus.
Another physician in the audience told the crowd that he was able to increase his satisfaction score by 7% simply by prescribing an antibiotic to all patients who call with a complaint of cough, sore throat, or sinus headache. One doctor reported to the media that he had to give Dilaudid® for minor pain because his Press Ganey score was low the previous month.
I believe that this little-known company, Press Ganey, from South Bend, Indiana, has become a bigger threat to the practice of good medicine than trial lawyers. They are the leading provider of patient satisfaction surveys for hospitals and physicians. For the past decade, the government and healthcare administrators have embraced the "patient is always right" model and will punish providers that fail to rate well in these surveys. Press Ganey's CEO, Patrick Ryan, said, "Nobody wants to be evaluated; it's a tough thing to see a bad score, but when I meet with physician groups I tell them the train has left the station. Measurement is going to occur."[1] Obamacare has budgeted $850 million in reduced Medicare reimbursement for hospitals with lower scores.
The mandate is simple: Never deny a request for an antibiotic, an opioid pain medication, a scan, or an admission. One emergency room with poor survey scores started offering hydrocodone "goody bags" to discharged patients in order to improve their ratings. And doctors face the reality that uncomfortable discussions on behavioral topics -- say, smoking or obesity -- come with the risk of a pay cut. If you tell a patient that their knee pain is related to weight, that their smoking is worsening their child's asthma, or that they can't lose weight because of French fries and not a glandular problem, your ratings and pay will take a hit.
Satisfied patients are not healthy patients. In a paper published in 2012, researchers at the University of California, Davis, using data from nearly 52,000 adults, found that the most satisfied patients spent the most on healthcare and prescription drugs.[2] They were 12% more likely to be admitted to the hospital and accounted for 9% more in total healthcare costs. Strikingly, they were also the ones more likely to die.
Overtreatment is a silent killer. We can overtreat and overprescribe. The patients will be happy, give us good ratings, yet be worse off. We must have the ability to deny treatment for a patient's own good. Patients aren't the best judge of what is best for them. Several years ago, an elderly female patient wanted me to write a prescription for tamsulosin because she got a coupon in the mail. It did not matter that she lacked a prostate.
We should try to be kind to our patients and take time to understand them, but we must resist these misguided pressures and do the right thing. Sometimes patients have to be told "no," and the leadership in healthcare must understand this. Take heart in the words of Mark Twain: "Always do what is right. It will gratify half of mankind and astound the other."
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edited because I remembered one more from last month:
- that the free car seat she was being given looked "too boyish" in her opinion for her baby girl
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Every task I do as a nurse seems to be logged and if I don't "work effectively" I get in trouble. For example: we are supposed I transfer patients within one hour of a new bed assignment. One shift I was staring to move a patient and he pulled of his colostomy bag. Poop everywhere. Literally a poop explosion. Obviously I cleaned the patient, applied a new ostomy appliance and changed the linens before I transferred him. I also got reprimanded for transferring him outside the one hour time window. I politely told my charge nurse that I didn't care, I wasn't going to send a patient out soiled. Despite having good reason, my "error" was still reflected in our unit numbers.
A system that takes the true human experience into account (open ended questions, interviews on all sides, etc...) would paint a much clearer picture of the care provided and received. However, such a system would not be cost effective so we get stuck in a bad cycle.
I believe that as health care professionals we should try to make our patients as satisfied as possible but within reason. Some complaints are reasonable but the majority are ridiculous. For example, post op patients who are capable of walking themselves to the bathroom and whom would benefit from (and are ordered for) early ambulation demanding a bed pan and throwing a fit because the mean nurses make him/her walk.
Also, patients often come into the hospital with unrealistic expectations. How many patients come in expecting to have no pain after surgery and getting annoyed that vitals need to be taken every four hours even over night. I have seen complaints on the press Ganey surveys where patients say that they unsatisified because they were woken up for vital signs their first post operative night. Seriously? We aren't doing this just for fun, it's for your safety.
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I read this somewhere and I agree: "let's give those in direct patient care the support and resources they need to give the best care they can and want to give. I'll bet you patient satisfaction goes up. I'll bet you staff satisfaction goes up. OR, we can keep using key words at key times, apologizing all day long for what we can't do, even as bladders fill, stomachs remain empty and pedometer counts steadily rise."
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I have worked as a nurse and waitress. These are customer service industries. I make a point to point out good service in both. But I have been in both.
I think most people that want to complain find a way to.
Let me tell u it's hard being a nurse.