How have we not talked about this?

notkateanymore · March 2014

How have we not talked about this? Those poor kids and poor woman for feeling so hopeless that she thought it was a good idea.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/05/us/florida-mother-minivan-ocean/

penguingrrl · March 2014

So sad. I heard that they're charging her with attempted murder

. Well played Florida. Let George Zimmerman and Casey Anthony go free but instead of getting this obviously very ill woman the help she needs send her to jail.

raraavis28 · March 2014

*sigh*....and I just finished watching an episode of Dateline about a teenage girl getting stabbed by her "best friends".....so much heaviness this Friday evening...

eaglesfan700 · March 2014

@marchesa28, I just watched that too! So sad and senseless! All those lives ruined

raraavis28 · March 2014

eaglesfan700 said:
@marchesa28, I just watched that too! So sad and senseless! All those lives ruined

I know! I felt just sick after watching it...how do these things happen?

notkateanymore · March 2014

The scary thing is that it's said that she was fleeing her ex and when she goes to jail/gets help...the kids will have to go back to him.

dmartin726 · March 2014

I read that they are going to charge her with murder too. The whole situation is just awful. Every part of it

minerswife17 · March 2014

marchesa28 said:

@marchesa28, I just watched that too! So sad and senseless! All those lives ruined
I know! I felt just sick after watching it...how do these things happen?

I watched as well. It happened about 40 mins from me. It's devastating.

notkateanymore · March 2014

dmartin726 said:

I read that they are going to charge her with murder too. The whole situation is just awful. Every part of it

How can you charge her with murder if she didn't kill anybody?

Lilly&Co · March 2014

I do not have a mental health background but My thought and I might be totally off base is that. She could not have done what she did in a more public place and I think that was a huge cry for help and thank god those men and women that were on that beach that day were so brave and swift to take action. Those people were heroes that day. I hope those children have a healthy alternate family to support them and raise them. I also hope that mother never sees her children again. She does not deserve to know who they become. That might sound harsh.

penguingrrl · March 2014

KateMW said:

The scary thing is that it's said that she was fleeing her ex and when she goes to jail/gets help...the kids will have to go back to him.

Last I heard he hadn't come to get them yet (from about 4 hours away) and they were split up into foster care. It sounds like he has no interest in bringing them home to live with him. I can't imagine knowing my wife tried to kill my children and not leaving that minute to pick them up.

notkateanymore · March 2014

I read one story that said he raped her in a hotel room and she fled the state with the kids? I think they were getting a divorce? He sounds like a piece of shit, so I imagine he doesn't care about his children.

penguingrrl · March 2014

Lilly&Co said:

I do not have a mental health background but My thought and I might be totally off base is that. She could not have done what she did in a more public place and I think that was a huge cry for help and thank god those men and women that were on that beach that day were so brave and swift to take action. Those people were heroes that day. I hope those children have a healthy alternate family to support them and raise them. I also hope that mother never sees her children again. She does not deserve to know who they become. That might sound harsh.

Seriously? Being severely ill means she should never see her children again? Clearly she needs a lot of help and may not be capable of being their primary caregiver, but that doesn't mean she should never be allowed to see her children again. Saying that shows a complete lack of understanding that she has an illness. She didn't do this on a whim or lark or because she felt like it.

Oh, and from what I can tell they don't have supportive family to get them through this. They're now in the foster care system as their father has not come to get them.

Lilly&Co · March 2014

penguingrrl said:

Lilly&Co said:

I do not have a mental health background but My thought and I might be totally off base is that. She could not have done what she did in a more public place and I think that was a huge cry for help and thank god those men and women that were on that beach that day were so brave and swift to take action. Those people were heroes that day. I hope those children have a healthy alternate family to support them and raise them. I also hope that mother never sees her children again. She does not deserve to know who they become. That might sound harsh.

Seriously? Being severely ill means she should never see her children again? Clearly she needs a lot of help and may not be capable of being their primary caregiver, but that doesn't mean she should never be allowed to see her children again. Saying that shows a complete lack of understanding that she has an illness. She didn't do this on a whim or lark or because she felt like it.

Oh, and from what I can tell they don't have supportive family to get them through this. They're now in the foster care system as their father has not come to get them.

The whole thing is tragic.

Mogi519 · March 2014

How traumatic. It says she was nearly 7 months pregnant, too. I just read said that she was pulled over by police just prior to driving in to the ocean and told officers she was worried her ex husband would find her so she was going to her safe place but wouldn't disclose the location.

trizzie · March 2014

I am wondering why the sister hasn't gotten them?

Andrewsgal · March 2014

This is a terrible tragedy and I am so sad for all involved I can't even imagine how lost this poor lady was. Mental illness is a terrible thing. I hope she gets the help she needs and long term support including learning to be a mom to her kids again.

zbeesma86 · March 2014

so horrible. I hope she gets the help she needs.

penguingrrl · March 2014

trizzie said:

I am wondering why the sister hasn't gotten them?

My guess is that since the foster care system has them there are steps being taken to get them to her. But since the father hasn't legally lost custody there hands are tied in letting mom's sister take them.. I'm also curious if there are issues since they were taken into care in a different state than where they reside and there's red tape to go through to get them to someone who isn't their custodial parent, is not in the state who currently has them and likely has not been approved for foster care previously.

Arnegard · March 2014

trizzie said:

I am wondering why the sister hasn't gotten them?

Right? If you are concerned enough to call police, I'd think you'd raise your niece and nephew.

Court0026 · March 2014

I just can't get over the kids yelling that their mom was trying to kill them. Good that they knew they needed someone to help them, but so freaking sad to have to realize that she was trying to kill them. I can't imagine... those poor little kids.

notkateanymore · March 2014

I think the sister lives in NC and they were in FL? Maybe she is headed to the kids? Who knows, but the answer to mental illness is not a prison sentence.

ToastieSimons · March 2014

This just sickens me. My heart goes out to this woman that is obviously so riddled with some mental disease that she thought this was her only way out.

And then a sister can call and say she's worried but the police can't do anything beyond ask her if she's okay basically?

I'm guessing the sister isn't local.

ToastieSimons · March 2014

Arnegard said:

trizzie said:

I am wondering why the sister hasn't gotten them?

Right? If you are concerned enough to call police, I'd think you'd raise your niece and nephew.

maybe she is out of state and there in the state custody until they can sort paperwork out?

rosesandpetals · March 2014

I'm glad to see some sanity here. My newsfeed is full of people condemning her.

I don't know if I agree that she's mentally ill, though. It sounds like she just had no options and was desperate. Her husband/child's father raped her in hotel room... while 7 months pregnant, and she has 3 other kids, no family around... I don't know, maybe depression counts as mentally ill but it doesn't sound like she was schizophrenic or sociopathic or something.

Andrewsgal · March 2014

roses&65335678 said:
I'm glad to see some sanity here. My newsfeed is full of people condemning her.

I don't know if I agree that she's mentally ill, though. It sounds like she just had no options and was desperate. Her husband/child's father raped her in hotel room... while 7 months pregnant, and she has 3 other kids, no family around... I don't know, maybe depression counts as mentally ill but it doesn't sound like she was schizophrenic or sociopathic or something.

Depression is considered a mental illness and though I don't know the statistics I would dare to say the most common. I don't think a mentally competent person would ever try to kill her kids and herself.

goillini823 · March 2014

Had a similar story happen in the Chicago area this week. Mom rammed her car into a house with her baby strapped in his car seat. When that didn't work she tried speeding off and crashing elsewhere. She admitted to trying to commit suicide.

Lilly&Co · March 2014

Kimbus22 said:

Lilly&Co said:

I do not have a mental health background but My thought and I might be totally off base is that. She could not have done what she did in a more public place and I think that was a huge cry for help and thank god those men and women that were on that beach that day were so brave and swift to take action. Those people were heroes that day. I hope those children have a healthy alternate family to support them and raise them. I also hope that mother never sees her children again. She does not deserve to know who they become. That might sound harsh.

What the fuck? This woman is obviously sick, not a psychopathic murderer. What exactly do you think should happen to her? Put her in jail? Or get her the mental help she needs but then, once she realizes the gravity of what she's done, never let her see her children again? Who the hell is that going to help?

I'm not arguing that what she did wasn't terrible. In fact, it is so terrible that I can't even imagine what sort of mental place you have to be in to even consider it. But she will have to live with this for the rest of her life. Maybe she'll never be stable enough to take care of her children. Okay. But never letting her see them again, even if she gets help and meds and stabilizes, is just horrible and will not fix a damn thing for anyone. Those kids have been through enough already from the sound of it.

I never said put her in jail- But I can not imagine them seeing her is going to be a healthy thing either for a very long time to come. You had the kids yelling " MY mom is trying to kill me" I can not imagine what kind of impact this might trigger in them for life.

Andrewsgal · March 2014

Lilly&Co said:

Kimbus22 said:

Lilly&Co said:

I do not have a mental health background but My thought and I might be totally off base is that. She could not have done what she did in a more public place and I think that was a huge cry for help and thank god those men and women that were on that beach that day were so brave and swift to take action. Those people were heroes that day. I hope those children have a healthy alternate family to support them and raise them. I also hope that mother never sees her children again. She does not deserve to know who they become. That might sound harsh.

What the fuck? This woman is obviously sick, not a psychopathic murderer. What exactly do you think should happen to her? Put her in jail? Or get her the mental help she needs but then, once she realizes the gravity of what she's done, never let her see her children again? Who the hell is that going to help?

I'm not arguing that what she did wasn't terrible. In fact, it is so terrible that I can't even imagine what sort of mental place you have to be in to even consider it. But she will have to live with this for the rest of her life. Maybe she'll never be stable enough to take care of her children. Okay. But never letting her see them again, even if she gets help and meds and stabilizes, is just horrible and will not fix a damn thing for anyone. Those kids have been through enough already from the sound of it.

I never said put her in jail- But I can not imagine them seeing her is going to be a healthy thing either for a very long time to come. You had the kids yelling " MY mom is trying to kill me" I can not imagine what kind of

impact this might trigger in them for life.

Really because I don't believe stripping these children and mother of their relationships with each other is good for either. Their mother is sick. The mother and children both need therapy. The whole she should never see her kids because she is mentally I'll is gross.

notkateanymore · March 2014

amy052006 said:

My "no children for people with depression" post it is now active.

I guess somebody needs to come and get mine then...

PrimRoseMama · March 2014

This made me so sad.

thechickencoop · March 2014

The story is very sad. And it makes me sick to think about how terrified those children were and to thank god that there were people around that could hear them screaming. I mean, I just can't imagine how scared they were!!! Ugh. I don't know all of the details but from what I saw it seems like the mother probably has some sort of psychosis; hopefully she can get the help she needs. I don't think that sending her to jail would necessarily help; if someone is that far gone then she doesn't necessarily know what she's even doing.

rosesandpetals · March 2014

Kimbus22 said:

Suicidal depression is absolutely mentally ill.

Well, technically, depression is a mental disorder, not a mental illness. Yes, it's a small distinction but I think it makes a huge difference. Someone who is schizophrenic has an illness in the way their brain is made/works and it is not curable. A mental disorder is temporary and easily treated like depression. So in terms of having custody, it is a huge distinction.

I didn't hear anything about the devil telling her to do it. If that's the case then I agree it was probably an illness.

rosesandpetals · March 2014

Kimbus22 said:

roses&65335678 said:

Kimbus22 said:

Suicidal depression is absolutely mentally ill.

Well, technically, depression is a mental disorder, not a mental illness. Yes, it's a small distinction but I think it makes a huge difference. Someone who is schizophrenic has an illness in the way their brain is made/works and it is not curable. A mental disorder is temporary and easily treated like depression. So in terms of having custody, it is a huge distinction.

I didn't hear anything about the devil telling her to do it. If that's the case then I agree it was probably an illness.

Except both of them are often treated with drugs because they can both be reflective of a chemical problem in the brain. And anyone who thinks real depression is easily treated has never dealt with it themselves. Not a damn thing is easy about it.

Someone better come save my kids since I spent years in psychiatrists office, off and on drugs, and in panic induced episodes where I rocked back and forth gouging my arms with sharp objects. To think that I fought tooth and nail to get myself away from that over YEARS and that people like Lilly think I shouldn't have had children because of my mental history ticks me the fuck off.

Just to be clear, I don't think her kids should be taken away. I mean, not permanently, maybe just while she gets some help/support.

I didn't mean it was easy to deal with. I've dealt with depression, too, I know how awful it is. I meant it is easy to treat as in it can be done through outpatient talk-therapy, sometimes with drugs but those drugs typically don't have life-style changing side effects like the drugs for mental illness do. I meant, easy to treat as in people with a disorder can get their lives back. A schizophrenic will *always* be schizophrenic, someone who is depressed will not always be depressed. I didn't mean to sound rude, I just think the distinction is important. I agree that you shouldn't take away someone's kids because of something temporary.

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