July 2013 Moms

Classical/homeschool vs public

We're looking into schools for when DD1 starts kinder in August 2015. I'm leaning toward the classical school model if we can find one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. BUT I was wondering if any BTDT had any opinions on the matter? I've heard such horror stories of the hours of daily homework and overcrowded schools in our area (Houston, TX) that I'm becoming wary of the public schools here.
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  • Classical? What is this? 

    I think my teen momness is showing. 
    Don't feel bad, I had to look it up. Basically an education based on traditional Western thought and philosophy.

    Below is a link to a very long description, but basically it teaches kids subjects as they are naturally ready to learn them. Also, many classical schools group students together that are at the same learning pace for the different "subjects" and allow for homeschool days. I've been focusing my research on Christian classical schools, and was really wondering if anyone had any experience with them as they are different than the average private school. @mamasighs there are a few schools in our area that aren't bad, but we aren't zoned to them :(https://covenantacademyhouston.org/Websites/covenantacademy/images/Files/An_Introduction_to_CCE_by_Perrin.pdf
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  • I don't even want to think about any of this yet. My kids going from preschool straight to college.
  • Sadly overcrowding isn't a rumor. Definitely check class size with all the schools you're looking into. Don't just ask about the limit, ask how many kids are actually in the classroom. Yes, the law says no more than 22. I've had classes of 24, 25, up to 28 kids a year (In San Antonio and Dallas). Schools can apply for a waiver if they can't afford another teacher or don't have an empty classroom. My last year teaching I had 27 kids and my co-teacher had 26. It took until January for the district to approve hiring an assistant to help us out.

    Re: certification. Different schools and states have different rules regarding this. My point was just to ask what the teachers required credentials are.

    Also, when you're looking into homeschooling see if there are cohorts you can join. Parents teaching together, sharing subjects, field troops, plays. This has helped several friends who homeschool and gives the kids the socialization they need.



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  • I can only speak for NC. My child will be going to a public school. I am a public school teacher, and work with fellow ps teachers. You will have lazy teachers everywhere. The resources public schools have are endless. This being said, I am not a supporter of homeschool and most private/ charter schools . I will not get into my reasons on here for debate purposes. You can feel free to PM me for any questions. This being said, I have the ability (working in my system) to send my kid to anywhere in the county (public school wise). I WILL NOT send my kid to my school, I can't disclose why on a public forum, but I just won't send her here. Now, I definitely will send her to a school in my county, just not here.

    I hope you have an easy time making your decision. I do second checking the schools online report card, maybe even buddy up with some teachers, or use connections for people who know teachers that work at that school. Please double check the teachers have the credentials to teach the subject they teach. Here in NC, in my area, a lot of private/ charter teachers aren't. That doesn't mean they aren't as good as other public teachers, but IMO it means they aren't AS good as the BEST public teachers. Man, that sounded bad. Also, my class size is large, it has been up to 28. I will tell you that I rock the hell out of that 28 though, and dont feel that hinders me from teaching the way I should teach. Also, check into how teachers (non public) are evaluated. I know in NC public teachers have a crazy hard eval system (when used properly and the way it was intended to be used). I like the hard eval system, it keeps me on my toes, and allows me no slacking off.

    I could talk about this subject all day, but I'll end here! If you have any questions again I'm just a PM away.

    Added: my views are only based off of my area and what co workers/friends have expressed to me about their districts.
  • I went to public school K-12, DH was homeschooled K-12 (taught by his mom for elementary and then they did correspondence school through a private academy for high school), and DH taught elementary school in a public district for three years.

    Our plan is to go the public school route unless we see that our child(ren) is/are not succeeding or other issues arise.  I have several friends who went to the various private schools in our area and no way would I drop that much money on a K-12 education for basically the same outcome. DH hated being homeschooled and asked his parents several times to be put in public school so that he could play sports and be a part of the activities.  (FWIW- I think times have changed to allow homeschooled kids to participate in extracurriculars at the local public school.  This wasn't the case when he was a student.)  He had a very difficult time adjusting to the college classroom atmosphere and had extreme text anxiety for a long time simply b/c he was used to being able to set his own schedule and being the only student in his "class".  And it's not like he didn't have any social experience.  He was involved in his church's youth group and scouting.

    My MIL has it in her head that we're homeschooling and it will 100000% not be happening.  I think that some kids really benefit from it and that it works for some families.  We are not one of them.  I have a friend who homeschools her 3 boys and I think that it is perfect for them.
  • It really depends on the individual schools you are considering. I'm in a Houston suburb with great schools, so we're going with the public schools. One of my coworkers lives in another suburb and isn't happy with the public schools. He tried a homeschool co-op thing, but thought it was too intense. Now they're trying catholic school even though they aren't catholic.
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  • Thank you all for the responses! Yeah, class size in our area is definitely over 22. Also, most of my friends have said the bigger issue is that kids who cause problems in the classroom get most of the attention (teacher repremanding them, getting them quiet, keeping them on task) which, in a class of 28 kids, doesn't leave a lot of time for other students. I had a friend (and there are many other stories like this) who's daughter's classmate picked up a pair of scissors and said "I'm going to stab somebody!" She called the school and I they basically said this kid does stuff like this all the time and he's not a threat. When asked what would happen if her daughter, who has never caused a problem or disruption, had done the same thing they had no comment. I witnessed the same thing in high school: the kids who caused problems seemed to be closer to the principles/APS etc and received more attention than the rest of the student body. There has to be a middle ground, and that's why I started looking at Classical. Kids are broken up into small groups with similar learning styles, and the zero tolerance policy (talking about stabbing or following someone to their house to see where they live, etc) is strictly enforced. I will definitely be PMing a few of you ladies! Thanks again!
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  • Like PPs said, it depends on what is in your area. IMO public schools can be very hit or miss. My county has both the best and the worst public school in the state. I would consider sending my kids to some of the traditional public schools here, but I think that homeschooling is more for us. 
      

    There is a school here that I might want to try though. It is a catholic school, but has an actual classical curriculum, and they accept special need students, anything from learning disabilities to downs syndrome, and these students are integrated into regular classrooms as much as possible. It is unlike anything we have around here and is only in its 3rd year, so we will have to see what it is like in 4 or 5 years.
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  • @lizabethann06, just wanted to agree with your post even more than a love tit could show  :D

    I worked in a private school for three years and it completely changed my attitude towards them.  I am 100% in favor of sending my kids to one, preferably single sex for K-8, at least.
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  • I haven't BTDT with school age yet. Since my IL are obsessed with academic achievement it's been a running source of anxiety for me.

    I don't feel adequately prepared to homeschool, but there is a community here that does. I think they have teachers & you rotate homes during the week. The down side? Many of these communities are anti-vax. I can't do it.

    We have been researching preschools & schools. It's one of the main reasons we are moving.


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  • I did not enjoy my time in the PPS system and since I was in school a ballot measure passed which limits funding. I switched to a parochial school halfway thru 3rd grade and it took me years to catch up academically with other kids in my class. As a result we have chosen parochial school for DS1. He is in his second year and loves it.

    I have the patience to be a homemaker, I don't have the patience to be a home schooler. I'd rather leave that up to the professionals. All the teachers at DS's school are highly educated

    DH went to a private school for several years before his dad became a farmer, then DH went to the public HS next to one of their fields. That experience influenced his decision for parochial school for our children.
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